The problem was that it is established that the Reapers are unstoppable once they stream through the mass relays. Once they are invading, it's over. Bioware was giving fans what they wanted by having a massive sprawling war in space. The only way to solve the problem then becomes essentially a deus ex machina. People complain that the particular "I win" weapon isn't believable enough. Such a plot device was always going to be unsatisfying and not believable even if it had been "done better". The goal should have been PREVENTING the reapers from invading all together which was the purpose of the first two games. It would have been a smaller scale than "World War 2 in space" and lacked the cutscenes straight out of the Star Wars prequels with 10,000 ships blasting at eachother in a confusing mess, but it might have ultimately been more satisfying from a narrative perspective. The Reapers invading Earth should have been the "bad" ending, not the unavoidable beginning. People always ignore the forest (an inherently flawed premise for the game) and obsess on the trees (less than great execution on the ending). Given that I think the entire premise of the ME3 was flawed from the outset, I don't get all that bothered by the ending particularly.
The endings weren't bad, per se.
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#352
Posté 20 août 2013 - 11:28
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Hadeedak wrote...
Mass Effect is like food: your tastes may vary from someone elses', but someone's always willing to tell you your favorites are a hideous mistake.
True enough.
Too bad ME3 didn't have the range of flavors advertised, and EC tells those who didn't like what we were served that we were the ones mistaken
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 11:35
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iakus wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
Mass Effect is like food: your tastes may vary from someone elses', but someone's always willing to tell you your favorites are a hideous mistake.
True enough.
Too bad ME3 didn't have the range of flavors advertised, and EC tells those who didn't like what we were served that we were the ones mistaken
To be fair, when you order a ham sandwich, that's pretty much what you should expect. And if you don't like it, you're a grown man/woman! You don't have to eat it. You can make your own. And so on and so forth.
I dunno, I'd call the EC mustard on a ham sandwich that sorely felt the lack of mustard. I do understand everyone doesn't like mustard (see, I brough the food full circle. I'm a wizard like that.)
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Posté 20 août 2013 - 11:46
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Hadeedak wrote...
iakus wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
Mass Effect is like food: your tastes may vary from someone elses', but someone's always willing to tell you your favorites are a hideous mistake.
True enough.
Too bad ME3 didn't have the range of flavors advertised, and EC tells those who didn't like what we were served that we were the ones mistaken
To be fair, when you order a ham sandwich, that's pretty much what you should expect. And if you don't like it, you're a grown man/woman! You don't have to eat it. You can make your own. And so on and so forth.
I dunno, I'd call the EC mustard on a ham sandwich that sorely felt the lack of mustard. I do understand everyone doesn't like mustard (see, I brough the food full circle. I'm a wizard like that.)
And to take this food analogy even further:
It's wasn't the lack of mustard, it was the lack of ham.
And sadly, in this case, only PC players can "make thier own" and it's uncertain at this point if a fan-made sandwitch will even be respected.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 12:00
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It's like the game is telling me to be a vegan, when I want a big, juicy steak.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 12:09
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Eh. I like my sandwich fine. Tasted sufficiently hammy! ....Maybe it was tasty veggiham, though. Or. Something. I dunno. Analogies, man.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 12:20
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iakus wrote...
And to take this food analogy even further:
It's wasn't the lack of mustard, it was the lack of ham.
And sadly, in this case, only PC players can "make thier own" and it's uncertain at this point if a fan-made sandwitch will even be respected.
I got my ham. And cheese. And crunchy vegetable. And they even give me fresh juice later for free.
But that food substitue you spoke about? Don't like its taste too much.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 12:52
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I love how all arguments devolve into food metaphors
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:15
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The problem is that the flaws seem so arbitrary, chucked in there just to have flaws so everything doesn't look too easy - except it is that easy because you've just dragged up a giant Space Magic Device. I suppose it's inevitable when you have something that gives you an instant magic win any downsides will look as contrived as the device itself. That's why I think it shouldn't have been an Instant Magic Win but something that would be enough to give enough of an edge over the Reapers that victory looked definite, but it would still be a long, hard path to get there.
Hmm... so ME3 plays out like WW2 after 1942, where we're going to defeat the Reapers sometime, and it's just a long, hard slog to the end?
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:22
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Hmm... so ME3 plays out like WW2 after 1942, where we're going to defeat the Reapers sometime, and it's just a long, hard slog to the end?
Yeah, except that in Berlin you find out that the war was really about stopping the inevitable conflict between humans and toasters.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:32
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Oh, god... let's not start mixing ending concepts. I have trouble enough keeping stuff straight as it is.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:35
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So whose France....are we France. Oh god, we're France.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:40
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I got my ham. And cheese. And crunchy vegetable. And they even give me fresh juice later for free.
But that food substitue you spoke about? Don't like its taste too much.
You got ham
I got a dead rat.
And a lecture about how it doesn't matter what I actually ordered, the artistic integrity of the chef matters more than what I actually wanted. So shut up and eat your rat or the galaxy dies!
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:43
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Then why do you keep talking to people in the suggestion box? This restaurant obviously has enough customers to get by, and they are done taking more ideas and complaints.
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Oh, god... let's not start mixing ending concepts. I have trouble enough keeping stuff straight as it is.
There's nothing like mixed metaphors!
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:48
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Then why do you keep talking to people in the suggestion box? This restaurant obviously has enough customers to get by, and they are done taking more ideas and complaints.
Because one of the perks of buying this meal was free access to the suggestion box. Guess it blew up in their face that writing here is more fun than the meal itself.
Or was this simply another "I'm happy so STFU" post?
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 01:48
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Why does BSN always use food analogies
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 02:04
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even if one got mustard on one's burger, it is still edible [a gourmet to one] while if another would have perfered catsup, i perfer catsup on my burger...if it was mustard [i would decline on consuming it]. and it was "mustard" on my ending....
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 05:29
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Food metaphors? I’m in!
BurgerWare is a quaint little out-of-the way restaurant, most famous for their customizable Shepard's Pie. However you like It: chicken, tuna, yams, whatever.
Over time the place gets flashier, but the food gets duller. Fun menu items disappear and are replaced by bland crap that you can get anywhere. You get a sense they’re trying to reach a broader clientele. There’s a children’s menu. You’re pretty sure the Mordin soup now has imitation crab.
There used to be an autographed eight by ten of Adam Baldwin on the wall, but now there’s a poster sized print of food critic Jessica Chobot (Who gave the new slammin’ jalepeno pretzel-bun x-treme sliders five stars out of five)
So, you go in on your birthday. You preordered reservations months ago. You order the Shepard’s Pie, and it’s just not as delicious as it used to be. There’s no seasoning, it’s undercooked, there are Kai Leng peas. You ordered “green” dessert, but the guy at that other table ordered “red” and it looks exactly the same. They both taste like vinegar. You are disappointed.
Others are disappointed as well, and the suggestion box overflows. Chobot’s next article calls you and this ‘vocal majority’ a ‘bunch of entitled whiners.’
After the backlash, they announce free extended cut seasoning will be sprinkled on the dessert. It improves the flavor, but it doesn’t fix the Shepard’s Pie. The Normandy Evacuation wet-naps don’t even make any sense.
You start to hear great things about the new menu over at the Dragon Age Grille, but they don’t serve Shepard’s Pie. Others say that the Shepard’s Pie is way better when you add Citadel Special Sauce, but it’s way too cheesy and it costs an extra twenty five percent of the cost of the Pie itself. In the end, BurgerWare makes the best food you’ve ever tasted, and you just didn’t get a satisfying conclusion to your meal of Shepard’s Pie and crêpers that you’ve come to expect.
But most metaphors don’t really bear close examination.
BurgerWare is a quaint little out-of-the way restaurant, most famous for their customizable Shepard's Pie. However you like It: chicken, tuna, yams, whatever.
Over time the place gets flashier, but the food gets duller. Fun menu items disappear and are replaced by bland crap that you can get anywhere. You get a sense they’re trying to reach a broader clientele. There’s a children’s menu. You’re pretty sure the Mordin soup now has imitation crab.
There used to be an autographed eight by ten of Adam Baldwin on the wall, but now there’s a poster sized print of food critic Jessica Chobot (Who gave the new slammin’ jalepeno pretzel-bun x-treme sliders five stars out of five)
So, you go in on your birthday. You preordered reservations months ago. You order the Shepard’s Pie, and it’s just not as delicious as it used to be. There’s no seasoning, it’s undercooked, there are Kai Leng peas. You ordered “green” dessert, but the guy at that other table ordered “red” and it looks exactly the same. They both taste like vinegar. You are disappointed.
Others are disappointed as well, and the suggestion box overflows. Chobot’s next article calls you and this ‘vocal majority’ a ‘bunch of entitled whiners.’
After the backlash, they announce free extended cut seasoning will be sprinkled on the dessert. It improves the flavor, but it doesn’t fix the Shepard’s Pie. The Normandy Evacuation wet-naps don’t even make any sense.
You start to hear great things about the new menu over at the Dragon Age Grille, but they don’t serve Shepard’s Pie. Others say that the Shepard’s Pie is way better when you add Citadel Special Sauce, but it’s way too cheesy and it costs an extra twenty five percent of the cost of the Pie itself. In the end, BurgerWare makes the best food you’ve ever tasted, and you just didn’t get a satisfying conclusion to your meal of Shepard’s Pie and crêpers that you’ve come to expect.
But most metaphors don’t really bear close examination.
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 09:28
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Nah man, i just like food analogies. Personlly if someone sold me a rat, I would not come there again. But that's just me.....and most other people who eat out at resturants. Not this resturant obviously.iakus wrote...
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Then why do you keep talking to people in the suggestion box? This restaurant obviously has enough customers to get by, and they are done taking more ideas and complaints.
Because one of the perks of buying this meal was free access to the suggestion box. Guess it blew up in their face that writing here is more fun than the meal itself.
Or was this simply another "I'm happy so STFU" post?
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 10:02
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Just listened to an excellent interview with David Gaider over on Koobismo’s YouTube channel and David made the great point that story ideas that might work wonderfully well for one medium (say a novel) might not work quite so well for another (say a videogame). Begs the question: were Mac and Casey thinking more of themselves than their audience when they cobbled together that wretched ending?
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 10:04
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Fandango9641 wrote...
Just listened to an excellent interview with David Gaider over on Koobismo’s YouTube channel and David made the great point that story ideas that might work wonderfully well for one medium (say a novel) might not work quite so well for another (say a videogame). Begs the question: were Mac and Casey thinking more of themselves than their audience when they cobbled together that wretched ending?
Have the link to the video?
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Posté 21 août 2013 - 10:08
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LiL Reapur wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Just listened to an excellent interview with David Gaider over on Koobismo’s YouTube channel and David made the great point that story ideas that might work wonderfully well for one medium (say a novel) might not work quite so well for another (say a videogame). Begs the question: were Mac and Casey thinking more of themselves than their audience when they cobbled together that wretched ending?
Have the link to the video?
Well worth a listen
