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[Bourne Endeavor]

Wulfram wrote...

It's an exposition dump delivered by a faux symbolic glowing child. That's not a good ending to anything.

Funny thing is, you could almost make it work with proper foreshadowing, actual emphasis placed on the Synthetic/Organic conflict and Saren delivering the lines. Why? Saren is a relatable character we can associate with. Anderson or even TIM could equally fill the role for similar reasons.

Another necessary change would be a proper climax. Player tension is never allowed to dissipate. We have our emotional farewell to the squad - which were good - but are immediately thrust back into combat and by the time the slog through London is over, we've forgotten all the dialogue and the emotional high is gone. You need to ease out tension as the story is approaching its "dramatic conclusion," not ramp it back up again, only for it to abruptly end.

I have no idea what they were thinking with the Quarian/Geth conflict that runs completely contradictory to everything the Catalyst says. If anything, peace should never have been an option to emphasis this supposed inevitable conflict.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 16 août 2013 - 10:35 .

[wright1978]

Apart from the fact the burger was made out of slurry & was equally vomit enducing.

[Wulfram]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I have no idea what they were thinking with the Quarian/Geth conflict that runs completely contradictory to everything the Catalyst says. If anything, peace should never have been an option to emphasis this supposed inevitable conflict.

Pretty sure they wrote the Quarian/Geth stuff without knowing what the ending was.  Aside from the chat with the reaper, that is.

Though I don't think an apparent contradiction of the catalyst's claim is a bad thing.  Firstly, because he's the bad guy and thus doesn't have to be right.  Secondly, because it's easy for the catalyst to claim that the peace won't last - in the long run, peace never does.

What was needed was for the Quarian/Geth conflict to at least discuss the issue, rather than basically just presenting it as the same thing as Krogan vs Salarians.  Portray the Geth as essentially "alien" in mindset, rather than Pinocchioing them.  Talk about their capacity for self advancement and the threat that might pose to the galaxy.

[Hadeedak]

Wulfram wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Look, I hate being that guy, but.... It's really, really hard to objectively define writing as good or bad in a definative way.

It prompted an emotional response, which is one (vaguely subjective) measure of good writing.

So trolls are the literary geniuses of our age?

I did say it was subjective. The ability to incite emotion is classically cited as being a hallmark of skill as a writer, in that you can understand your audience and communicate a point clearly enough so that there's a strong reaction. I didn't say it was necessarily NICE about it.

That being said, while I stick up for the endings, clarity sure isn't something I'd accuse them of.

[Reorte]

McFlurry598 wrote...

Copying this from my comment on a thread: 'My own time away from mass effect.'

I like the endings, I really don't understand why everyone hated them. I guess I was tired of seeing movies and playing games and sort of knowing, "Oh, the good guys will win, they always do." I thought that with Mass Effect 3, Shepard would destroy the reapers and live happily ever after with Liara(my LI). But seeing Shepard die and the species of the galaxy being pushed to the verge of extinction, was suprising to me, I loved the change, for once.

For example, I had seen Pacific Rim this summer, I had already knew that humans would win against the kaiju, it's just the way movies are these days. For a game example, Gears of War 3, had the most cheesiest disney ending ever(like most other games) I didn't want that, I wanted something new, something fresh, and that's what Mass Effect 3s ending gave me. No happy ending- but no bad ending either, it was reality, not everything has a happy ending.

Change for the sake of change is always a bad thing. Also shoving it in there for that reason alone makes a horrible disconnect. As has been said numerous times that sort of ending is starting to become rather a cliche in itself. In any case even if it was the right choice the execution was completely and utterly atrocious. Finally, since it's a game and not a book or a film there's no good reason for having multiple plausible outcomes (although "die and lose" or "survive and win" are far, far more likely that "die and win", so never use the word "reality" to defend the crap we got please).

Different is not an acceptable alternative to quality.

[Reorte]

Hadeedak wrote...

I did say it was subjective. The ability to incite emotion is classically cited as being a hallmark of skill as a writer, in that you can understand your audience and communicate a point clearly enough so that there's a strong reaction. I didn't say it was necessarily NICE about it.

That being said, while I stick up for the endings, clarity sure isn't something I'd accuse them of.

Only for some sort of emotions. It's pretty easy to annoy and upset people. It's nowhere near as easy to uplift and astound people.

[ruggly]

I don't mind what they were trying to do, I just think they didn't pull it off well, so it's more annoying to me than anything else at this point. (Side note: I'm a fan of chili-cheese dogs.)

Modifié par ruggly, 16 août 2013 - 10:59 .

[Zaalbar]

Well I was expecting a Cheese Burger and fries but instead I got cow crap with mustard with a side order of camel spit.

That's said the EC did manage to turn the cow crap into a polished turd with the extra sprinkling of cinnamon on the camel spit so suppose that's something.

[Wulfram]

Hadeedak wrote...

I did say it was subjective. The ability to incite emotion is classically cited as being a hallmark of skill as a writer, in that you can understand your audience and communicate a point clearly enough so that there's a strong reaction. I didn't say it was necessarily NICE about it.

That being said, while I stick up for the endings, clarity sure isn't something I'd accuse them of.

Provoking the intended emotion is perhaps a mark of skill - though there are cheap ways to provoke stuff like outrage and anger - but Bioware's comments have indicated that they did not expect or intend the reaction that they got.

They were trying to make ketchup, and it ended up tasting like mustard.  That's not skill in anyone's book.

Modifié par Wulfram, 16 août 2013 - 12:19 .

[Obadiah]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

They were unexpected. Our solutions to everything would be to blow things up and shoot people, but the game ended with Shepard choosing how to commit suicide*. It's not really a bad concept, it's just a very unexpected one.

Sort of like if you got mustard on your burger instead of ketchup. Yeah, it would be unexpected and unwanted, but it would still be an edible burger.


*Except for one ending. That one is left to the imagination.

I mostly enjoyed the endings.

I just think it is weird that they left ambiguous the destruction of the Geth, along with an entire form of life, in Destroy. Oh wait, it's not ambiguous because Catalyst doesn't mention the Geth so the Geth must still survive. But wait, the Geth were explicitly cited in the original ending and the EC epilogue never shows them in Destroy so they must be dead along with EDI. But wait, that doesn't necessarily follow so it's up to player interpretation... wait, wat?

[dorktainian]

i enjoyed the original endings more than the EC. The EC is just insulting whereas the original endings left you with some serious WTF moments.

[Tron Mega]

i wouldnt say causing emotion is always something good.

...take ME3 for example.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 16 août 2013 - 08:04 .

[o Ventus]

They're bad, per se.

[Ledgend1221]

But they're bad.

[tanisha__unknown]

We didn't get mustard instead of ketchup on our hamburgers, but rather raw gooseneck.

[Br3admax]

Considering what the phrase "per se" means, I think every ending is bad, per se.

[dreamgazer]

I'm hungry. Per se.

[Turbo_J]

dorktainian wrote...

i enjoyed the original endings more than the EC. The EC is just insulting whereas the original endings left you with some serious WTF moments.

I have to agree. The EC was fanservice and being so was actually more insulting that letting the original ending stand.

The ending - was just bad for Shepard and player. Plain and simple. Because we have no real closure, all we have is speculation and unanswered questions. This 'speculation' was actually the ending... the intention behind the final moments of the trilogy. Without real closure some people (including myself) can't let go. We'll keep going over the events to see if we missed something. They will always play out in the back of our minds as it's a mystery to be solved.

Maybe some day Bioware will actually tell us why. Maybe some day one of us will actually figure out where it all went wrong.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Gotta disagree with ya there hanar. It was more like getting a burger coverd in pee. I'm not eating that.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 16 août 2013 - 08:43 .

[AlanC9]

Kataphrut94 wrote...
That was more or less the standard view post-Mass Effect 2; just look at some of the TV Tropes articles from around that era, I mean Jesus Christ. An ending that wasn't just Suicide Mission 2.0 was never going to sit well with fans.

Which tropes, anyway? Or have the pages been changed?

[Andrew Lucas]

Me3 ending was bad before the EC but after got better,just read the Reaper plot revealed by N7Gold and you will see how complex Me3 plot is.

[JonathonPR]

The endings are bad. I will give two examples to illustrate why.

Example 1: Drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth.

Example 2: In a foil fencing match I observed one of the competitors deliver a parry 4 with repost. The opponent had attacked in 6. The action was well executed but was still an incorrect action. The ending of ME3 does not even qualify as well executed. ME3 had bad distance control, and leaned forward when advancing and retreating.

[Br3admax]

The great thing about opinions is that everybody has one and that they can be different. People would have been mad no matter how they executed the endings.

[Bionuts]

I knew this Christian woman who went into a Mosque, and started praying real loud to Jesus. She danced all over the place, and they had to drag her out of the building.

That pretty much sums up ME3's ending.