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[draken-heart]

 I am currently working on a new Origins playthrough, but once I am done with that and all DLCs (including Awakening), I am going to do a (currently) canon Hawke: Female, sides with Templars (but neutral for the most part on the issue of mages vs Chantry zealots/Templars) Rivalmances Merrill. I am wondering which of two classes/build I should go.

Warrior: My warrior will not be putting any points into a specialization for the most par and be focusing on Two Handed and Vanguard trees. And remaining points will go somewhere else.
So far: http://biowarefans.c...jiILAyTfPShunxp

Rogue: I planned a more Crit-based build here. This one is focused on use of CCCs.Skills are from the Dual Wield, Evade and Chameleon's breath+upgrade in Subterfuge, as well as everything but pinpoint strikes upgrade in assassin and everything else into shadow.
Build: http://biowarefans.c...lBFvEsHaVQrwuSD

Note that I left Pommel Strike and Miasmic Flask in their respective builds because I did not feel like removing them. A little help please?

Modifié par draken-heart, 16 août 2013 - 07:57 .

[Ferretinabun]

I like the idea of not taking any specs, so your warrior gets thumbs up from me.

With the rogue, I presume you will be taking another rogue along with you for crowd control? Rogues can excel at this, but you don't have much in this besides Miasmic Flask. Also, whenever I go Assassin rogue, I like to get Assassinate as quickly as possible. It really is obscenely powerful.

Just my tuppenceworth.

[draken-heart]

Ferretinabun wrote...

I like the idea of not taking any specs, so your warrior gets thumbs up from me.

With the rogue, I presume you will be taking another rogue along with you for crowd control? Rogues can excel at this, but you don't have much in this besides Miasmic Flask. Also, whenever I go Assassin rogue, I like to get Assassinate as quickly as possible. It really is obscenely powerful.

Just my tuppenceworth.

I never sais I was not taking a warrior Spec, just that if I do, it would be only for the specialization bonus.

I never really thought of anything but Miasmic Flask for the rogue, as I planned on using Aveline for tanking and with both, it would  a focus on damage, so I would likely try to kill quickly (plus, will have Anders with me in both cases so...). Neither build is exact, just a layout of the abilities I planned to take.

I will probably go up to normal difficulty, if that helps any.

Modifié par draken-heart, 17 août 2013 - 04:36 .

[celestial_emperor]

There is a "Canon" Hawke? I thought Dragon Age bent over backwards to avoid having canon stories.

[draken-heart]

celestial_emperor wrote...

There is a "Canon" Hawke? I thought Dragon Age bent over backwards to avoid having canon stories.

I mean the one I will import into inquisition (If they are still doing the five console/pc release/development).

I am currently leaning warrior with Templar purely for the +10 damage vs Spellcasters and Fade creatures/demons.

anyone with objections or comments about the warrior build idea (neither are set in stone).

Modifié par draken-heart, 18 août 2013 - 06:18 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Your bilds are good if you don't play to take on Nightmare mode.
Imho Assail+Besiege with Muscle and Pommel Strike are useless, so here's a bit improved Warrior build for you. Also make sure you use Cross class combos a lot.

http://biowarefans.c...ATfPShup1Ym0D1R Make sure you have Might enabled all the time, in Arishok duel 1v1 it's better to use Control + 15 Combustion Grenades to stun him. It's easy fight on Nightmare with that, believe me.

Invest in 29 points into constitution, 20 into Willpower and the rest goes into Strengh. (dont forget to mount rune of Valiance in act 3!!, its extra +2 to attributes)

As for items buy make sure you have:
Hawke Family Crest (right after serving a year to pay off kirkwall debt),
Dull Brass Amulet (start of Act 2), in act 3 change
Hawke ring to Etched ring of the Twins and get Ring of No Wishes. To have high amounts of cash simply enchant all armor slots with Runes of Fortune. Do not forget to drink Mighty Offense Potion and coat ur weapons with poisons for combat profit. If u go against darkspawn take that purity or something that gives u 10% dmg extra against them, so you'll have 30% extra damage against darkspawn:D

Although I personally play with this build on Nightmare:

http://biowarefans.c...GInpNLtelDEvHFs + the same items mentioned above, although as a weapon I chose Blade of Thousand Battles.

Here are useful links that may help you further.

Berserker Vanguard guideby AreleX

Rogue Assasin Overkill guide byAreleX

Mage Nuclear Warfare guide by AreleX

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 19 août 2013 - 09:33 .

[draken-heart]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Your bilds are good if you don't play to take on Nightmare mode.
Imho Assail+Besiege with Muscle and Pommel Strike are useless, so here's a bit improved Warrior build for you. Also make sure you use Cross class combos a lot.

http://biowarefans.c...ATfPShup1Ym0D1R Make sure you have Might enabled all the time, in Arishok duel 1v1 it's better to use Control + 15 Combustion Grenades to stun him. It's easy fight on Nightmare with that, believe me.

Invest in 29 points into constitution, 20 into Willpower and the rest goes into Strengh. (dont forget to mount rune of Valiance in act 3!!, its extra +2 to attributes)

As for items buy make sure you have:
Hawke Family Crest (right after serving a year to pay off kirkwall debt),
Dull Brass Amulet (start of Act 2), in act 3 change
Hawke ring to Etched ring of the Twins and get Ring of No Wishes. To have high amounts of cash simply enchant all armor slots with Runes of Fortune. Do not forget to drink Mighty Offense Potion and coat ur weapons with poisons for combat profit. If u go against darkspawn take that purity or something that gives u 10% dmg extra against them, so you'll have 30% extra damage against darkspawn:D

Although I personally play with this build on Nightmare:

http://biowarefans.c...GInpNLtelDEvHFs + the same items mentioned above, although as a weapon I chose Blade of Thousand Battles.

Here are useful links that may help you further.

Berserker Vanguard guideby AreleX

Rogue Assasin Overkill guide byAreleX

Mage Nuclear Warfare guide by AreleX

I avoid nightmare like a plague. 

But thanks for the idea anyways.

Here is an improvement on the improvement.

All options were for normal anyways, I tend to dislike FF.  I refuse to put points into the Specializations for warrior because the warrior specs are not as good as the non-specs trees. I wanted to do a "tank through damage" kind of character so It made sense to have taunt and bravery+upgrades.

Modifié par draken-heart, 19 août 2013 - 04:23 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Hard also does not have FF and your build would do fine. Oh, select 1 specialisation Berserker. You don't have to buy any skills, just select specialisation for basis talent, +10 stamina regen

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 20 août 2013 - 09:08 .

[draken-heart]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Hard also does not have FF and your build would do fine. Oh, select 1 specialisation Berserker. You don't have to buy any skills, just select specialisation for basis talent, +10 stamina regen

I do not think the Stamina regen is really worth it just to put a specialization point into it. None of them are really, so the reason to pick the stamina regen is?

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Well that is my point. If you have 1 spec skill left and you're not going to evolve the specialisation, then why keep 1 point unused?

[draken-heart]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Well that is my point. If you have 1 spec skill left and you're not going to evolve the specialisation, then why keep 1 point unused?

Why bother having any if I won't put points into them? (that was the plan, to not put points into the spec, but PERHAPS pick one for the specialization.

I also thought about picking up the upgrades after I got the basics I wanted.

Here is a more complete build: http://biowarefans.c...mR0XfShpWg1ko0Z

Modifié par draken-heart, 21 août 2013 - 04:28 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

It all looks good ^^ Now destroy enemies in the game
I've started my first mage playthrough ever in DA2.
EDIT: I've improved my build, discovered something that wasn't said in the guides. Once your basic attacks reach without any sustainables 100% against normal, 100% against leutanants and 75%against boss, there is no need to invest more into Strenght. Spend rest of points into Dexteriety and Cunning in 2:1 and 1:2 ratio. I know it sounds strange, but once you enable control with extra critical chance + appropriate items  you will make enemies explode across the battlefield. I've discovered that because I wasn't able to get past demons in the docks act 3 while I was heading to Gallows. I got mad and respecced for some criticals.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 21 août 2013 - 10:17 .

[draken-heart]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

It all looks good ^^ Now destroy enemies in the game
I've started my first mage playthrough ever in DA2.
EDIT: I've improved my build, discovered something that wasn't said in the guides. Once your basic attacks reach without any sustainables 100% against normal, 100% against leutanants and 75%against boss, there is no need to invest more into Strenght. Spend rest of points into Dexteriety and Cunning in 2:1 and 1:2 ratio. I know it sounds strange, but once you enable control with extra critical chance + appropriate items  you will make enemies explode across the battlefield. I've discovered that because I wasn't able to get past demons in the docks act 3 while I was heading to Gallows. I got mad and respecced for some criticals.

Guess it's warrior for me then.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Correction of correctoin hehe
It's even better if you have 90% hit chance against normal opponents, around 62 strenght. Once you enable control and u have a mage with heroic aura, you will have 100 100 85 against opponents anyway and with bigger critical chance it's good. Consider to add some deathblow chance item or weapon, its your choice in this case.

[draken-heart]

I might drop the specializations on the rogue and go for Dual Wield/Sabotage/Subterfuge combo:

http://biowarefans.c...x1m0XZ1zMco0moR

Duelist sounds fun though, since I will be on normal for the most part
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Here is another version, just with assassin instead of Subterfuge:

http://biowarefans.c...0mocVRnApx1vEsH

Modifié par draken-heart, 29 août 2013 - 05:22 .

[ElementalFury106]

depends on how you wish to go about combat.

a rogue will always out-DPS a warrior. it's what they're made for. rogues also have excellent 'insta kill talents (assassinate, twin strikes, archer's lance), the best stamina regeneration model of all the classes, as well as the highest defense of any class (high cunning). also, they can pick locks and disarm traps, which is always convienent.

warriors won't ever be as powerful as a rogue, even with all their vanguard buffs, but theyre the best as charging straight into a crowd and keeping them distracted. but i'm sure you already know all of this.

personally i prefer rogue over warrior Hawke anyday, but here are some key points to consider in your final desicion as to which to choose:

-rogues have way more defense than warriors, meaning they're more likely to evade attacks
-rogues have more talents/abilities that can set up/execute CCC's.
-rogues regen stamina per hit rather than per enemy death like warriors (and they hit very quickly mind you)
-rogues generally have stronger specialization trees, making them even more desvestatingly powerful than warriros
-warriors have more abilities/talents that compliment crowd-control tactics
-warriors have larger hit-arcs than rogues who can only hit one enemy at a time (basic attacks)

I know I've written a lot, but I hope it helps. I have builds for both classes using your strategy if you'd like them.

Modifié par ElementalFury106, 01 décembre 2013 - 06:21 .

[jvaz]

draken-heart wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Your bilds are good if you don't play to take on Nightmare mode.
Imho Assail+Besiege with Muscle and Pommel Strike are useless, so here's a bit improved Warrior build for you. Also make sure you use Cross class combos a lot.

http://biowarefans.c...ATfPShup1Ym0D1R Make sure you have Might enabled all the time, in Arishok duel 1v1 it's better to use Control + 15 Combustion Grenades to stun him. It's easy fight on Nightmare with that, believe me.

Invest in 29 points into constitution, 20 into Willpower and the rest goes into Strengh. (dont forget to mount rune of Valiance in act 3!!, its extra +2 to attributes)

As for items buy make sure you have:
Hawke Family Crest (right after serving a year to pay off kirkwall debt),
Dull Brass Amulet (start of Act 2), in act 3 change
Hawke ring to Etched ring of the Twins and get Ring of No Wishes. To have high amounts of cash simply enchant all armor slots with Runes of Fortune. Do not forget to drink Mighty Offense Potion and coat ur weapons with poisons for combat profit. If u go against darkspawn take that purity or something that gives u 10% dmg extra against them, so you'll have 30% extra damage against darkspawn:D

Although I personally play with this build on Nightmare:

http://biowarefans.c...GInpNLtelDEvHFs + the same items mentioned above, although as a weapon I chose Blade of Thousand Battles.

Here are useful links that may help you further.

Berserker Vanguard guideby AreleX

Rogue Assasin Overkill guide byAreleX

Mage Nuclear Warfare guide by AreleX

I avoid nightmare like a plague. 

But thanks for the idea anyways.

Here is an improvement on the improvement.

All options were for normal anyways, I tend to dislike FF.  I refuse to put points into the Specializations for warrior because the warrior specs are not as good as the non-specs trees. I wanted to do a "tank through damage" kind of character so It made sense to have taunt and bravery+upgrades.

Specialization talents not as good as non spec trees? Tank through damage? Scru--- oh wait, you're not even playing on normal? Pssh, let me exit out of this thread, stat!!