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[Taleroth]

eluvianix wrote...

Remember that Flemeth is a shapeshifter though, and could just as easily change "her" gender.

Nothing easy about it, as all the information given to us about shapeshifting does not allow alternate forms like that. It's possibly Morrigan is wrong, but that is still all available information.

And just because these Old Gods were defined as "male" back in the past doesn't mean that they truly have genders as gods.

They're not world creating spirits, they're just idols worshipped by the old Tevinter Magisters. They're pretty much just really strong dragons.

[Fallstar]

DG's words: The old gods are "neither creators or created." So they are something more than just old strong dragons.

[Neoleviathan]

I wonder what the Old God would do if it were freed and escaped the Taint, what its plans for Thedas would be or if it would be completely uninterested in the world. Maybe it would lead the Wardens to destroy the Darkspawn, they seek to taint it. Thats like another form of imprisonment.

[Iron Fist]

Neoleviathan wrote...

I wonder what the Old God would do if it were freed and escaped the Taint, what its plans for Thedas would be or if it would be completely uninterested in the world. Maybe it would lead the Wardens to destroy the Darkspawn, they seek to taint it. Thats like another form of imprisonment.

I think an uncorrupted Old God would still go bad from all the worship and praise it receives.

[Taleroth]

DuskWarden wrote...

DG's words: The old gods are "neither creators or created." So they are something more than just old strong dragons.

His precise words are "though they were supposedly not created."  Which only means that they are believed to not be part of the Maker's plan as the chantry sees it. It does not speak for their objective origin.

The same is almost assuredly true for all dragons.

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 août 2013 - 06:42 .

[Mykel54]

I think at some point in the past there was a race of intelligent dragons, the so-called old gods, that the humans worshipped (this is what Flemeth would be), but some cataclysm happened and they lost their intelligence becoming like animals, except a few who managed to escape the event (hidden in the deeps?). So now there are several high dragons who are like beasts, and very few intelligent ones remain.

I think any remaining "old god" would want to make all dragons a sapient race again, and lord it over the rest of mortals, like becoming their gods again and doing whatever they please.

[Fast Jimmy]

DuskWarden wrote...

DG's words: The old gods are "neither creators or created." So they are something more than just old strong dragons.

Well, DG's lore also says dragons are the lifeblood of the world or some other nonsense. So if just regular dragons are so esoteric, why couldn't super strong dragons be something similarly impressive as well?

Also, he said the Old Gods are neither created nor creator. That doesn't necessarily mean the Archdemons are actually the Old Gods tainted. 

[Taleroth]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

That doesn't necessarily mean the Archdemons are actually the Old Gods tainted. 

We've met two characters who actually talked with Archdemons. One talked with them while they were still Old Gods.

Neither has given cause to doubt that Archdemons are tainted Old Gods.

Or maybe they have. I didn't play Legacy. Does he give cause to doubt?

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 août 2013 - 07:09 .

[Taleroth]

That was my understanding. There could have been something I had not heard. Thank you.

[Ianamus]

I'm sure one of the old gods was referred to as a female, but that one was killed a long time ago so I doubt Flemeth is one. I do have to wonder how the final old god would react to being found, and being informed that it is the last of its kind. Or what would happen to the darkspawn should the final old god be corrupted and killed.

[Fast Jimmy]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

That doesn't necessarily mean the Archdemons are actually the Old Gods tainted. 

We've met two characters who actually talked with Archdemons. One talked with them while they were still Old Gods.

Neither has given cause to doubt that Archdemons are tainted Old Gods.

Or maybe they have. I didn't play Legacy. Does he give cause to doubt?

Legacy strongly implies Archdemons are Old Gods. No spoilers intended, but you meet one of the oldest, original Darkspawn, Corypheus, who tells you Dumat, the first and powerful of the Old Gods, and subsequently the first and most powerful Archdemon, made attempts to usurp both earthly and heavenly power. Corypheus was a Mage corrupted directly by Dumat.

To be fair, Cory was, undeniably, bat shirt crazy. So, while it certainly does lend credence, it also isn't exactly a star witness to events. 

[Taleroth]

But is the idea that the Old Gods are turned into Archdemons even really on trial? It's not an idea I've seen the game hint against. It's not an idea that the written history and Codexes of the game contest. It seems nothing but some people on the forum having trouble seeing the word "god" without thinking omipotent immortal spirit.

Am I wrong? Is there genuine cause the question here?

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 août 2013 - 07:33 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Taleroth wrote...

But is the idea that the Old Gods are turned into Archdemons even really on trial? It's not an idea I've seen the game hint against. It's not an idea that the written history and Codexes of the game contest. It seems nothing but some people on the forum having trouble seeing the word "god" without thinking omipotent immortal spirit.

Am I wrong? Is there genuine cause the question here?

I'd say it isn't ENTIRELY undisputed. I mean, no one (to our knowledge) has encountered an "Old God" that wasn't already an Archdemon in at least hundreds of years. In addition, even if the beings that are becoming Archdemons were worshipped as Old Gods, who is to say they weren't just super strong dragons then either?

Being worshipped and being an actual deity is a bit of a different thing, I would think.