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Arcian

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EntropicAngel wrote...

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Meth is one hell of a drug.


Fine, don't tell me.

*pouts*

There was a snowstorm, -30 degrees celsius, a delayed bus, someone on the BSN posting inane crap, my interest in Mass Effect approaching absolute zero...

A lot of things went wrong that day. Or right, depending on how you see it.

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David7204 wrote...

It's just money.


Something a lot of people are desperate to have, in any capacity.

Look beyond greed.

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Arcian wrote...

There was a snowstorm, -30 degrees celsius, a delayed bus, someone on the BSN posting inane crap, my interest in Mass Effect approaching absolute zero...

A lot of things went wrong that day. Or right, depending on how you see it.


Well I'm GLAD you're back! *hugs*

Now, err, back to business.

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David7204 wrote...

It's just money.


1/20 of the U.S. debt.

More money than the annual Department of Defense budget.

I'm pressing the damn button. I want my money.

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Bionuts wrote...

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Selfish is one thing. Killing a family of innocent people for money is another.

I doubt most people would do it.


We're talking about 1 trillion dollars here. I'd like to think most would not push it, but I think it to be the case.


That much money is not needed.

http://en.wikipedia....gram_experiment

Not a whole family but still scary stuff.

Modifié par Sirrurg, 17 août 2013 - 05:47 .


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Grand Admiral Cheesecake

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's just money.


1/20 of the U.S. debt.

More money than the annual Department of Defense budget.

I'm pressing the damn button. I want my money.


This human understands.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 17 août 2013 - 06:01 .


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I don't think I would push the button. Too much of my self-worth is tied up in thinking that I'm a relatively good person.

I'd probably go all the way in the Milgram experiment, though, since my standard response to scientists is to trust them.

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Oh the Milgram Experiment...

I actually signed up to participate once. I got rejected because I had advanced knowledge of the test.

Ultimately, I think the real idiots are the people asking me to press the button for a trillion $.

I'd do it for as low as $50k. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 17 août 2013 - 06:11 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

I don't think I would push the button. Too much of my self-worth is tied up in thinking that I'm a relatively good person.

I'd probably go all the way in the Milgram experiment, though, since my standard response to scientists is to trust them.


The shattered remains of my self worth would be suppressed by a Scrooge McDuck style money pool.

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Thing is, I'm actually a terrible person who gets off on thinking that he's better than other people. If I had earned the trillion, or even stolen it, then it would count as a sign of how awesome I am. But getting it handed to me for pushing a button doesn't count.

But this just means that I'm not pushing the button because the payoff isn't worth it to me.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 août 2013 - 06:20 .


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I thought that test was faulty, since there wasn't an understanding in some or maybe many of the participants on what the physical damage of the voltage would actually do to the human body. Unless they revamped the test with a "warning: high voltage could be potentially lethal" label on the power increasing device used.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 17 août 2013 - 06:55 .


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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't think I would push the button. Too much of my self-worth is tied up in thinking that I'm a relatively good person.

I'd probably go all the way in the Milgram experiment, though, since my standard response to scientists is to trust them.


The shattered remains of my self worth would be suppressed by a Scrooge McDuck style money pool.


Family Guy effectively illustrates the cruel reality regarding Scrooge's money bin.

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KaiserShep wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't think I would push the button. Too much of my self-worth is tied up in thinking that I'm a relatively good person.

I'd probably go all the way in the Milgram experiment, though, since my standard response to scientists is to trust them.


The shattered remains of my self worth would be suppressed by a Scrooge McDuck style money pool.


Family Guy effectively illustrates the cruel reality regarding Scrooge's money bin.


Oh yeah.

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David7204 wrote...

Selfish is one thing. Killing a family of innocent people for money is another.

I doubt most people would do it.

Regarding this subject, I was fairly alarmed by the results of this poll.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

I thought that test was faulty, since there wasn't an understanding in some or maybe many of the participants on what the physical damage of the voltage would actually do to the human body. Unless they revamped the test with a "warning: high voltage could be potentially lethal" label on the power increasing device used.


The "victim" begged people to stop, screamed and banged on the wall. I understand your reluctance to accept this but people are very capable of doing terrible things, especially if they are told that they won't be responsible for the results. 

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake

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KaiserShep wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't think I would push the button. Too much of my self-worth is tied up in thinking that I'm a relatively good person.

I'd probably go all the way in the Milgram experiment, though, since my standard response to scientists is to trust them.


The shattered remains of my self worth would be suppressed by a Scrooge McDuck style money pool.


Family Guy effectively illustrates the cruel reality regarding Scrooge's money bin.

That's why I'm using paper money that has been properly poofed up for extreme swimability!

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The people in the Milgram experiment were certainly at fault, but that fault was definitely not selfishness or greed or sadism. 

Modifié par David7204, 17 août 2013 - 11:43 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

I don't think I would push the button. Too much of my self-worth is tied up in thinking that I'm a relatively good person.

I'd probably go all the way in the Milgram experiment, though, since my standard response to scientists is to trust them.


Would pushing the button get me deathpenalty or life time imprisonment?
I'm a good person when it doesn't cost me too much. 
When I was young I was good and naive.
After being bullied and treated disrespectfully I learned that there were no good people and that order required fear of consequences.
So for each ahole that bothered me I beat them up at an opportune time, twisted their arm and asked them if they wanted that treatment every day for the rest of their years in school.
Most of the bullying and fights on the school died of, and if there was a disturbances quickly calmed down when I walked past. As if if they actualy thought I cared about stuff that didn't concern me.
Years after I meet former students from the school that thanked me for bringing order to the school.
Almost seemed like thanking emperor palpatine for bringing safety and order to the galaxy. All I ever wanted to told those troublemakers was to stop bothering me.
Maybe they thought anything would bother me.
I did meet one person who made a very selfless offer once, someone I didn't know at the time. That kindoff shocked me though.
It wasn't something major and my situation wasn't as bad as he might have thought.

In general people aren't good but they are concered about social concequences, negative consequences and there can be rewards for being socialy popular.

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CynicalShep wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I thought that test was faulty, since there wasn't an understanding in some or maybe many of the participants on what the physical damage of the voltage would actually do to the human body. Unless they revamped the test with a "warning: high voltage could be potentially lethal" label on the power increasing device used.


The "victim" begged people to stop, screamed and banged on the wall. I understand your reluctance to accept this but people are very capable of doing terrible things, especially if they are told that they won't be responsible for the results. 


So do children who don't get bought their favorite toy in the store, doesn't make the parents horrible for not buying it and trying to continue shopping. Lying to people about what effect their actions are having, keeping it from visual view, and having a medical professional assure them the person ie fine do a lot to discredit the experiments findings in my personal view. 

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Humans hide behind a facade, and trivialize some of the most horrific things. It is when you stand in the middle of it all that you realize humans are no better than rabid animals.

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Dragon Age: Origins was a lot better at this type of choice having an impact later in the game. Though the game didn't have a Paragon/Renegade bar, there were somewhat clear nice guy/ruthless guy type choices in it. The one big instance I specifically remember was trying to resolve the Landsmeet. Another one is the fate of the dwarves.

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Obadiah wrote...
The one big instance I specifically remember was trying to resolve the Landsmeet. Another one is the fate of the dwarves.


Really?
I was always thinking the key characters were incredibly black & white. I know that Gaider's ultimate goal is the exact opposite, but that's just how I perceived it. You just knew exactly what was the "good" and what was the "evil" choice(s) in both of those situations. Maybe even more so with the dwarves.

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Baelrahn wrote...

Obadiah wrote...
The one big instance I specifically remember was trying to resolve the Landsmeet. Another one is the fate of the dwarves.


Really?
I was always thinking the key characters were incredibly black & white. I know that Gaider's ultimate goal is the exact opposite, but that's just how I perceived it. You just knew exactly what was the "good" and what was the "evil" choice(s) in both of those situations. Maybe even more so with the dwarves.

"Characters".. sure.. well mostly. "Decisions" not so much, at least not to me (ex: advice to Alistair later influencing his decision at the Landsmeet) . Although, quite a few times highly risky Prargon decisions did not have any blowback as well (trying to save the possessed noble kid, etc..)

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Bionuts wrote...

Humans hide behind a facade, and trivialize some of the most horrific things. It is when you stand in the middle of it all that you realize humans are no better than rabid animals.


And what horrible thing did humanity do to you?

#275
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Personally? I'm completely fine with things being the way they are right now.