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[Steelcan]

Seboist wrote...

One of the more comical aspects about the whole "Synths are people too!" notion in 3 is how nobody has any ethical qualms about EDI forcibly commandeering Eva Core's body.

'Cause Cerberus

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

alleyd wrote...

I don't think the Quarians were unlucky, but were sacrificed by an immoral council policy that was inconsistent. Why did the Council not intervene at all, either to contain the threat of the Geth or enforce their own policies regarding AI's?

Because the geth didn't threaten any asari worlds

That's because they love the Asari!

[Br3admax]

Because unless a Council species is threatened, except if that species is the forever underdog humans, nobody cares.

[KaiserShep]

I wouldn't say it's so much a matter of ethics than of any potential of the platform to reset itself and be the same old program that we shot in slow-mo.

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Because unless a Council species is threatened, except if that species is the forever underdog humans, nobody cares.

The Quarians used to be a council species.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

One of the more comical aspects about the whole "Synths are people too!" notion in 3 is how nobody has any ethical qualms about EDI forcibly commandeering Eva Core's body.

EDI killed Eva beforehand, due to Eva trying to hack the entire Normandy.

[ubermensch007]

EntropicAngel wrote...

So Rana Thanoptis did NOT, in fact, turn out to be indoctrinated? And Balak did NOT, in fact, end up hurting other people? And my decision to let the Rachni go did NOT result in them being turned again by the Reapers?


I hate this topic. Sorry Darth, not blaming you, but it's old, old, old.

@EntropicAngel Well said. Yeah saving Kate Bowman and her colleagues turned out to really bite Shep in the ass. I really like Kate, but is saving her life worth over 100 people losing there's?! And saving the Racchni Queen again, this time at the expense of Arlakah Company, was tough pill to swallow. That's why I like alot of the questions Mass Effect asks of us at times.Like: Would you sacrifice many to save one?

That's not an easy answer to give, but I know if Grunt lost his life because I decided to save her ass again. I would have left the Racchni queen to die. Grunt is very dear to me and he is the future of the krogan race. And i would not sacrifice any of my 12 person squad from ME2 to save the Racchni Queen. But I still did and do feel bad about leaving Urdnot Wrex most elite soldiers to bear that burden. 

 

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 août 2013 - 08:57 .

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Because unless a Council species is threatened, except if that species is the forever underdog humans, nobody cares.

The Quarians used to be a council species.

No they didn't. They had an embassy. The Council we see in ME is as different as it has ever been.

[BansheeOwnage]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
As a paragon player, I hope in the future there will be more consequences for being a hero and trying to save everyone.

I agree, but at least they added synthesis for those people. No way anyone's coming out of that one okay.

[ubermensch007]

alleyd wrote...

I don't think the Quarians were unlucky, but were sacrificed by an immoral council policy that was inconsistent. Why did the Council not intervene at all, either to contain the threat of the Geth or enforce their own policies regarding AI's?

@alleyd I believe the answer to this is that the Council saw the quarians as a threat, and was not all that bothered by the geth removing them. We know that the quarians had an embassy at the Citadel, and only the most powerful and influential species do. I wouldn't be surprised if there was much talk prior to The Morning War, of the quarians becoming the fourth Council race.

The Asari Councilor in ME3 says there is a balance of power that we don't wish to upset. In other words as Drake put it: "No new friends, no new friends, no new friends, no no new." 

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 août 2013 - 08:41 .

[Barquiel]

alleyd wrote...

I don't think the Quarians were unlucky, but were sacrificed by an immoral council policy that was inconsistent. Why did the Council not intervene at all, either to contain the threat of the Geth or enforce their own policies regarding AI's?

Or maybe the Quarians have refused foreign assistance in the first place? According to the codex they only pleaded for help from the Citadel Council when they had already lost Rannoch and their colony worlds. I guess they tried to handle it themselves rather than request a Turian strike force that cares little about wrecking the quarian worlds.

[Steelcan]

Long story short, Council sucks balls.  I gave them a chance by saving their lives.  Now I just want to kill them all. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Long story short, Council sucks balls.  I gave them a chance by saving their lives.  Now I just want to kill them all. 

The council would be a lot better without the Asari.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I like the geth, and I think they're deserving of basic rights as a species. I also believe the past should be used as a guide, but not as the only thing thst matters, in determining the good or bad of a person or people. I also think revenge is a archaic and flawed concept that only spawns from base emotions, and is too easily used to justify similar atrocities in cyclical revenge culturess like isreal and palastine with the thoyght that because we were wronged we have the right to wrong others as well forever.

I also think xil has been a putz and can't tske other peoples opinions without demonizing them and trying to shame guilt them into repentance. So disgraceful.

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Long story short, Council sucks balls.  I gave them a chance by saving their lives.  Now I just want to kill them all. 

The council galaxy would be a lot better without the Asari.

Fixed that for you

[Br3admax]

The quarians were never that powerful and only gained a large fleet because their entire race had to live in space.

By the way, the hanar, the volus, and the elcor all have embassies. They are not that powerful without the turians' armies.

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Long story short, Council sucks balls.  I gave them a chance by saving their lives.  Now I just want to kill them all. 

The council galaxy would be a lot better without the Asari.

Fixed that for you

Oops, you're right of course Steel.

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

The quarians were never that powerful and only gained a large fleet because their entire race had to live in space.

By the way, the hanar, the volus, and the elcor all have embassies. They are not that powerful without the turians' armies.

In ME1 some diplomats can be overheard talking about how the Hanar may soon become a full fledged Council race

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 août 2013 - 08:48 .

[Br3admax]

I don't think that it's going to happen now. And we're talking about power right?

[ubermensch007]

alleyd wrote...

The Quarian's still had a diplomatic presence and recognition by the Council. Also the policy of allowing the Quarian genocide just because they made a mistake and their technology turned against them is deplorable.

Who created the first AI's in the Council that ended up being eradicated and why were the same policies enacted against the creator species? Speaks of Double Standards at the very least, and not one I equate with an enlightened or civilised society.

At points of this trilogy I think the Reapers were correct

Hey, i'm with you alleyd, One of the things that really troubles me about the asari is there extreme adherrence to the Doctrine of Self-Interest. And I don't think that this is cultural with them, it seems to be innate. Because far to many asari that we encounter and what we know of thier history on the galactic stage, shows that unless they are affected by a matter.They don't care or get involved.

The krogan were claiming world after world and it wasn't  until the krogan occupied an asari colony that the asari said, "Aw, hell nah. Its on now!   Thier behavior during the Krogan Rebellions, The Morning War and the Geth attack on Eden Prime and other human colonies was really just SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for them and it reminds me of that famous quote of Martin Neimoller:

 In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 août 2013 - 08:56 .

[David7204]

Boy. are these comments incredibly groan inducing.

The asari are not at fault for not interfering with every conflict in galactic history.

Even if they were, you cannot whine about the asari being supposedly "self-interested" and then completely forget about all the races that didn't interfere. Which is exactly what you did.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 09:02 .

[ubermensch007]

Seboist wrote...

One of the more comical aspects about the whole "Synths are people too!" notion in 3 is how nobody has any ethical qualms about EDI forcibly commandeering Eva Core's body.

@Seboist I do! I was just playing ME3 the other day and it occured to me that EDI did the same thing Legion does during the Geth Consenssus Mission. Shepard had every right to say to Legion and EDI, "How much damage could your stunt have caused if something went wrong?!' For all we knew, Dr. Eva was created for the sole purpose of returning EDI to Cerberus Command. Dr. Eva could have been a trojan horse. i've seen comic book stories were stuff like that happens. A psychic probes someone's mind and ends up becoming a more powerful minds thrall.

What EDI did to Dr. Eva is sick  yet she has the nerve after Sanctuary to talk to Shepard about how she won't let the Reapers rewrite her code and have her serve them, but she has no problem doing that to other synthetics.