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[David7204]

And why is it sick?

[Xilizhra]

Erm, I'm pretty sure EDI destroyed Eva altogether before inhabiting its body.

[KaiserShep]

Lol, what EDI did to Eva is sick? Who cares about Eva? It's a malicious program and its eradication is perfectly fine. Shepard killed lots of enemies, and this is no different.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Long story short, Council sucks balls.  I gave them a chance by saving their lives.  Now I just want to kill them all. 

The council galaxy would be a lot better without the Asari.

Fixed that for you

These humans understand.

[Sir DeLoria]

David7204 wrote...

Boy. are these comments incredibly groan inducing.

The asari are not at fault for not interfering with every conflict in galactic history.

We're talking about the possible extinction of an entire race here.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Boy. are these comments incredibly groan inducing.

The asari are not at fault for not interfering with every conflict in galactic history.

We're talking about the possible extinction of an entire race here.

Pfft! The quarians are not heroic enough for the Messiah to care.

Come back when someone gives an asari a mean look, then our glorious white knight David7204 will be there!

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Lol, what EDI did to Eva is sick? Who cares about Eva? It's a malicious program and its eradication is perfectly fine. Shepard killed lots of enemies, and this is no different.

The Geth are pretty much exactly what you just described...

My Shep eliminates the Geth threat.

[Sir DeLoria]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...
Boy. are these comments incredibly groan inducing.

The asari are not at fault for not interfering with every conflict in galactic history.

We're talking about the possible extinction of an entire race here.

Pfft! The quarians are not heroic enough for the Messiah to care.

Come back when someone gives an asari a mean look, then our glorious white knight David7204 will be there!

You're right, we shall all kneel before our master David.

[Sir DeLoria]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Long story short, Council sucks balls.  I gave them a chance by saving their lives.  Now I just want to kill them all. 

The council galaxy would be a lot better without the Asari.

Fixed that for you

These humans understand.

A galaxy without Liara is a desolate place. Dat Ali Hillis <3<3.

Though since David is here, I feel obliged to say LIARA PLOT ARMOR

It would have been cool to be able to add certain races to the destroy ending's kill list:devil:

[Barquiel]

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Boy. are these comments incredibly groan inducing.

The asari are not at fault for not interfering with every conflict in galactic history.

We're talking about the possible extinction of an entire race here.

You've advocated the extinction of the Geth and Asari in this thread.

Modifié par Barquiel, 19 août 2013 - 09:30 .

[David7204]

Liara does not have plot armor.

You know, I'm suspecting that the negativity towards the asari and the geth on the BSN have very little to do with the actual merits of either, and much more to do with people on the BSN wanting to reflexively disagree with the developers.

Wanting to get a nice little illusion of power by proclaiming whatever the developers supposedly 'support' must be stupid.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 09:22 .

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Lol, what EDI did to Eva is sick? Who cares about Eva? It's a malicious program and its eradication is perfectly fine. Shepard killed lots of enemies, and this is no different.

The Geth are pretty much exactly what you just described...

My Shep eliminates the Geth threat.

My Shepard basically uses them as cannon fodder against the reapers, though that was not my original intention. If a high enough EMS Destroy allowed them to live, I'd grant them that chance. I guess it wasn't in the cards. 

[ubermensch007]

David7204 wrote...

Boy. are these comments incredibly groan inducing.

The asari are not at fault for not interfering with every conflict in galactic history.

Even if they were, you cannot whine about the asari being supposedly "self-interested" and then completely forget about all the races that didn't interfere. Which is exactly what you did.

@David7204 You may have saw that vid with those three school boys brutally attacking another student on a bus. And the bus driver was so freaked out that all he could think to do was call dispatch and cry out for someone to come and stop the delinquents, because apparently he had better things to do at the moment.  It seemed as though many shun a despise the man for his inaction. But what I took away from that incident most was that thier were other students on that bus who didn't bother to intervene either.

Behavioral Psychologist have investigated and brought to light many uncomfortable truths about human thought and actions. As it pertains to this subject we are having. The asari are the Elder race, other species (and people for that matter) tend to look to whomever they view as an authority figure, to model there behavior after. If one person intervenes, others will feel more compelled to. But if no one is brave enough to make the first move, no one will.

Make no mistake, I hold all of Citadel Council  space responsible for not coming to the aid of the quarians. In my opinion, it is thier great shame. That act above all others taints any notion that they are truly a "galactic community." My best metaphor for what happen to the quarians during The Morning War is this.

The quarians house (civilization) was on fire. They tried with all the strength, skill and intellect they had to put the fire out. When they realized they couldn't put this fire out on thier own. They asked thier neighbors for help. Instead of coming to the quarians aid, all the other species just watched the quarians house burn or averted thier eyes from it all. And then all the other races are suprised when that fire finally reaches thier homes (the Battle of the Citadel)

I've said this before and I'll say it again... Its not hard for me to imagine the Quarian Ambassadors final words to the Council before they kicked him or her off the Citadel.

Quarian Ambassador: Mark my words Councilors. The geth are my peoples problem today.They will be your people's problem tomorrow! 

I'm not whinning about anything brother. Because during my first playthrough of Mass Effect 1, I made damn sure that the Council received a death and demise befitting of  POETIC JUSTICE by the Geth being the ones to take them out. For all we know the Asari Councilor in 2183 could very well be the same AC during The Morning War.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 août 2013 - 09:36 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Well she did until you removed all mention of her from that page on Tvtropes.

[Xilizhra]

It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.

But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?

[ubermensch007]

@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

[Xilizhra]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.

But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?

Truth be told, since the Council intervening would probably have led to the total destruction of the geth or just the Morning War spreading into Council space immediately, this outcome might actually have been one of the better ones.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

You know, I'm suspecting that the negativity towards the asari and the geth on the BSN have very little to do with the actual merits of either, and much more to do with people on the BSN wanting to reflexively disagree with the developers.

Wanting to get a nice little illusion of power by proclaiming whatever the developers supposedly 'support' must be stupid.

Feeling powerful David?

[David7204]

Whatever the Council did 300 years ago is zero reflection on the asari.

[Cainhurst Crow]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

One of the more comical aspects about the whole "Synths are people too!" notion in 3 is how nobody has any ethical qualms about EDI forcibly commandeering Eva Core's body.

@Seboist I do! I was just playing ME3 the other day and it occured to me that EDI did the same thing Legion does during the Geth Consenssus Mission. Shepard had every right to say to Legion and EDI, "How much damage could your stunt have caused if something went wrong?!' For all we knew, Dr. Eva was created for the sole purpose of returning EDI to Cerberus Command. Dr. Eva could have been a trojan horse. i've seen comic book stories were stuff like that happens. A psychic probes someone's mind and ends up becoming a more powerful minds thrall.

What EDI did to Dr. Eva is sick  yet she has the nerve after Sanctuary to talk to Shepard about how she won't let the Reapers rewrite her code and have her serve them, but she has no problem doing that to other synthetics.

Frankly my dear I don't give a damn. I kill cerberus and use their radio to pretend to be them without a big moral conundrum, I don't see how killing eva core and taking her body is any more immoral than killing hostiles and taking their property as a prize.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 19 août 2013 - 09:42 .