David7204 wrote...
Whatever the Council did 300 years ago is zero reflection on the asari.
David7204 wrote...
Liara does not have plot armor.
You know, I'm suspecting that the negativity towards the asari and the geth on the BSN have very little to do with the actual merits of either, and much more to do with people on the BSN wanting to reflexively disagree with the developers.
Wanting to get a nice little illusion of power by proclaiming whatever the developers supposedly 'support' must be stupid.
MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Liara does not have plot armor.
You know, I'm suspecting that the negativity towards the asari and the geth on the BSN have very little to do with the actual merits of either, and much more to do with people on the BSN wanting to reflexively disagree with the developers.
Wanting to get a nice little illusion of power by proclaiming whatever the developers supposedly 'support' must be stupid.
Feeling powerful David?
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
Three hundred years ago, the geth drove my people to exile. We asked the Council to wipe the synthetics out, but they ignored our pleas." If Kaidan, Ashley, or Wrex is there they'll say "Maybe if they listened we wouldn't be here now."
Not since you editted the page on TVtropes.David7204 wrote...
Liara does not have plot armor.
Modifié par Barquiel, 19 août 2013 - 09:50 .
They feared a repeat of the Rachni Wars/Krogan Rebellions; "peacemaker" failed fantastically in the latter case, and after the devastation those caused, it's not really hard to see why they feared it.ubermensch007 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
@Xilizhra People can say what they want on this thread about it all but what was said here is undeniable:Three hundred years ago, the geth drove my people to exile. We asked the Council to wipe the synthetics out, but they ignored our pleas." If Kaidan, Ashley, or Wrex is there they'll say "Maybe if they listened we wouldn't be here now."
I don't even agree with what Tali wanted the Council to do. "wipe the synthetics out" The Council was in the perfect position to play the part of Peacemaker between the geth and quarian. And they choose not to.
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?
If you disagree, you're completely free to challenge it. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain.Steelcan wrote...
Not since you editted the page on TVtropes.David7204 wrote...
Liara does not have plot armor.
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Darth Brotarian wrote...
Liara has so much plot her armor can't even hold it all in. That's why it's not plot armor.
David7204 wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Liara does not have plot armor.
You
know, I'm suspecting that the negativity towards the asari and the geth
on the BSN have very little to do with the actual merits of either, and
much more to do with people on the BSN wanting to reflexively disagree
with the developers.
Wanting to get a nice little illusion of power by proclaiming whatever the developers supposedly 'support' must be stupid.
So what you're saying is that it's all a conspiracy?
Of course not.
But I do pick up on trends. For example, isn't it incredibly convenient that the three squadmates who face the most criticism, Liara, James, and EDI, are also the three mandatory squadmates?
Isn't it convenient that Miranda faced considerable criticism in ME 2 but far, far less now?
With those things in mind, I conclude that whether or not a squadmate is mandatory plays a very considerable role in how much criticism they receive. Likely more of a role then the quality of the actual character itself.
This is the same kind of thing.
Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 19 août 2013 - 09:51 .
If I thought that, I'd have killed them all for trying to kill Liara and myself aboard the dreadnaught, but I didn't.Necanor wrote...
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?
Hah, we all know that the Asari are the true master race. Stupid Quarian race isn't worth a single Asari life:happy:
EntropicAngel wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
Liara has so much plot her armor can't even hold it all in. That's why it's not plot armor.
Are you sure that's not Miranda?
*wonders how many know about the alternate meaning of "plot"*
(the asari councilor could have easily been Tevos)Barquiel wrote...
The councillors are little more than ambassadors appointed by their respective governments (the Asari councilor is elected), and so they would only do what their governments want. After all, the UN Security Council is not a world government and three people cannot realistically compose one. Maybe the councillors wanted to help but the matriarchs/dalatrass/primarchs refused to do something? Maybe the Quarians have refused foreign assistance in the first place (as stated in the codex)? Maybe the Asari wanted to help but were outvoted. Maybe the Turians or the Salarians wanted to help but were outvoted. We don't know it. It's absurd to blame the (current) council or one council race.
What if they had killed Liara?Xilizhra wrote...
If I thought that, I'd have killed them all for trying to kill Liara and myself aboard the dreadnaught, but I didn't.Necanor wrote...
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?
Hah, we all know that the Asari are the true master race. Stupid Quarian race isn't worth a single Asari life:happy:
'Cuuuuz you couldn't.Xilizhra wrote...
If I thought that, I'd have killed them all for trying to kill Liara and myself aboard the dreadnaught, but I didn't.Necanor wrote...
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?
Hah, we all know that the Asari are the true master race. Stupid Quarian race isn't worth a single Asari life:happy:
. Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armorDavid7204 wrote...
If you disagree, you're completely free to challenge it. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain.Steelcan wrote...
Not since you editted the page on TVtropes.David7204 wrote...
Liara does not have plot armor.
Medals for the whole admiralty boardNecanor wrote...
What if they had killed Liara?Xilizhra wrote...
If I thought that, I'd have killed them all for trying to kill Liara and myself aboard the dreadnaught, but I didn't.Necanor wrote...
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's true, the Council should have intervened when the quarians started attacking the geth. However, I think the situation blew up too quickly for the Council to intervene properly... and, ultimately, it was a pretty fantastic ****up on the part of the quarians to both create an AI race and make them hostile.
But since it wasn't the asari it wasn't really that big of a deal yes?
Hah, we all know that the Asari are the true master race. Stupid Quarian race isn't worth a single Asari life:happy:
Then I'd be dead too, so it's moot.What if they had killed Liara?
Of course I could, on Rannoch.'Cuuuuz you couldn't.
But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.. Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor
Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 août 2013 - 09:56 .
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dreamgazer wrote...
I have plot armor.
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