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[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

.  Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor

But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.

She survives hazardous situations in which other characters are killed (the Baria Frontiers bombing) without so much as a scratch.

[Steelcan]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

:devil:
Sounds good to me

[Sir DeLoria]

ubermensch007 wrote...

@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

True, but there was only few Quarians to begin with(a few hundred million) due to Rannoch's geographie. There's even less Drell around(~400000).

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Not since you editted the page on TVtropes.

If you disagree, you're completely free to challenge it. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain.

.  Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor

I like how David seems to have his stock phrases ready to be copy/pasted at a moments notice.
And that he treats Tvtropes as a legitimate source of information (because if he doesn't like it he can just change it!)

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

True, but there was only few Quarians to begin with(a few hundred million) due to Rannoch's geographie. There's even less Drell around(~400000).

There were at least 2 billion Quarians pre-Migrant fleet, likely a lot more

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

:devil:
Sounds good to me

I approve:D

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

True, but there was only few Quarians to begin with(a few hundred million) due to Rannoch's geographie. There's even less Drell around(~400000).

There were at least 2 billion Quarians pre-Migrant fleet, likely a lot more

Doubtfully. Sources?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

.  Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor

But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.

She survives hazardous situations in which other characters are killed (the Baria Frontiers bombing) without so much as a scratch.

Other civilians, which Liara no longer really is by this point. I doubt any of them had personal barriers as strong as she does.

[wolfhowwl]

Darth Brotarian wrote...There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

Vasir > Liara

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 19 août 2013 - 10:00 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

:devil:
Sounds good to me

Awesome, I liked the old broker better anyway.

He could actually do the whole "information broker" bit competently.

[Fixers0]

 When the war was over Shepard and Alliance SWAT team were send to apprehend Liara for leading a criminal Organisation , but "unfortunately" the had  kill her in self defence.

[Seboist]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

Vasir > Liara

Vasir for squadmate would have been awesome and i'd make an exception to my no bang xeno policy for her.

[Sir DeLoria]

Xilizhra wrote...

What if they had killed Liara?

You survive, but Liara is killed by the fleet's attack, what would you do?

[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

True, but there was only few Quarians to begin with(a few hundred million) due to Rannoch's geographie. There's even less Drell around(~400000).

There were at least 2 billion Quarians pre-Migrant fleet, likely a lot more

Doubtfully. Sources?

A book mentions their pre-Morning War population was in the billions.

Its also rationally inferred given population dynamics of culturally similar species (humanity)

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Not since you editted the page on TVtropes.

If you disagree, you're completely free to challenge it. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain.

That's what you keep saying, but there is no consensus, because Liaramancers and you fail to accept that Liara DOES have plot armor, and thus keep removing her entry from the TV Tropes page.

We can add it again, but it will only be there for so long until you or someone other Liara fanboy removes it again...

Hell the moderator of TV Tropes even said as much on the edit commentary page:

And I quote:

This section was the subject of an Edit War:

* Liara T'soni, a character from the first game, can only get killed exactly once in the bad ending scenario. She also has plot armor against the Illusive Man's Dragon Kai Leng, who kills or wounds other characters, but he totally ignores Liara (an out of character moment)

I'm posting it here so the validity of that example can be discussed. Do not re-add it before it has been discussed.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 19 août 2013 - 10:05 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

.  Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor

But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.

She survives hazardous situations in which other characters are killed (the Baria Frontiers bombing) without so much as a scratch.

Other civilians, which Liara no longer really is by this point. I doubt any of them had personal barriers as strong as she does.

I wasn't aware having some combat experience made you immune to explosions and shrapnel.

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 août 2013 - 10:03 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

True, but there was only few Quarians to begin with(a few hundred million) due to Rannoch's geographie. There's even less Drell around(~400000).

There were at least 2 billion Quarians pre-Migrant fleet, likely a lot more

Doubtfully. Sources?

Basic math, 99% of them died and 17,000,000 appears to have been the remainder.

[dreamgazer]

EntropicAngel wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I have plot armor.

Pics or it didn't happen, hot stuff.

Wait, hold on. Lemme play it:

[Steelcan]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Two billion is pretty small for a species that should be occupying a lot of planets.

That's the absolute minimum.  I'm inclined to believe they had a comparable population to humanity on Rannoch, and millions more on other colonies.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

.  Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor

But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.

She survives hazardous situations in which other characters are killed (the Baria Frontiers bombing) without so much as a scratch.

Other civilians, which Liara no longer really is by this point. I doubt any of them had personal barriers as strong as she does.

I wasn't aware having some combat experience made you immune to explosions and shrapnel.

Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

You survive, but Liara is killed by the fleet's attack, what would you do?

Reload the stage.

[Sir DeLoria]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Two billion is pretty small for a species that should be occupying a lot of planets.

Only small landstripes on Rannoch are hospitable and the pop on the few colonies was rather small.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...


Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

.  Barriers can only do so much against stuff like falling ceilings, and by so much I mean jack ****.  Andshrapnel from grenades rips through barrier sin game, large bombs would tear through them no problem.