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[Steelcan]

Necanor wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Two billion is pretty small for a species that should be occupying a lot of planets.

Only small landstripes on Rannoch are hospitable and the pop on the few colonies was rather small.

You have little understanding of population dynamics sorry.

[billy the squid]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Not since you editted the page on TVtropes.

If you disagree, you're completely free to challenge it. If you can attain a consensus that you're right and I'm wrong, my edits go down the drain.

That's what you keep saying, but there is no consensus, because Liaramancers and you fail to accept that Liara DOES have plot armor, and thus keep removing her entry from the TV Tropes page.

We can add it again, but it will only be there for so long until you or someone other Liara fanboy removes it again...

Hell the moderator of TV Tropes even said as much on the edit commentary page:

And I quote:

This section was the subject of an Edit War:

* Liara T'soni, a character from the first game, can only get killed exactly once in the bad ending scenario. She also has plot armor against the Illusive Man's Dragon Kai Leng, who kills or wounds other characters, but he totally ignores Liara (an out of character moment)

I'm posting it here so the validity of that example can be discussed. Do not re-add it before it has been discussed.

Stop posting things which torpedo David's deranged asinine arguments!

Modifié par billy the squid, 19 août 2013 - 10:12 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...
@alleyd "refugee status" ? Screw that... the quarians should be on the endangered species list. There are only 17 million of them in the entire Milky Way Galaxy.

True, but there was only few Quarians to begin with(a few hundred million) due to Rannoch's geographie. There's even less Drell around(~400000).

There were at least 2 billion Quarians pre-Migrant fleet, likely a lot more

Doubtfully. Sources?

Basic math, 99% of them died and 17,000,000 appears to have been the remainder.

I did that before, it's a bit over a billion, which sounds plausible.

[David7204]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

That's what you keep saying, but there is no consensus, because Liaramancers and you fail to accept that Liara DOES have plot armor, and thus keep removing her entry from the TV Tropes page.

We can add it again, but it will only be there for so long until you or someone other Liara fanboy removes it again...

Hell the moderator of TV Tropes even said as much on the edit commentary page:

And I quote:

This section was the subject of an Edit War:

* Liara T'soni, a character from the first game, can only get killed exactly once in the bad ending scenario. She also has plot armor against the Illusive Man's Dragon Kai Leng, who kills or wounds other characters, but he totally ignores Liara (an out of character moment)

I'm posting it here so the validity of that example can be discussed. Do not re-add it before it has been discussed.

Yes, this is exactly what I talking about. You and anyone else have complete freedom to argue your case. You don't get to add the entry in until you've won, shockingly enough. We put people in prison after they've been convicted. Not before.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.

Every character has plot armor until the plot no longer needs them

[Sir DeLoria]

Steelcan wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Two billion is pretty small for a species that should be occupying a lot of planets.

Only small landstripes on Rannoch are hospitable and the pop on the few colonies was rather small.

You have little understanding of population dynamics sorry.

But if you look at countries with similar geographic features...ah, nevermind this argument is uttelry pointless and off topic. 

We should go back to bashing Liara.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

.  Barriers can only do so much against stuff like falling ceilings, and by so much I mean jack ****.  Andshrapnel from grenades rips through barrier sin game, large bombs would tear through them no problem.

For this to be assessed properly, you'd need to know where she was, exactly, in relation to the bomb. As it is, you're pulling distances from nowhere.

[David7204]

Liara does not have plot armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, this is exactly what I talking about. You and anyone else have complete freedom to argue your case. You don't get to add the entry in until you've won, shockingly enough. We put people in prison after they've been convicted. Not before.

we can just put them in jail and suspend their right to Habaeus Corpus

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

.  Barriers can only do so much against stuff like falling ceilings, and by so much I mean jack ****.  Andshrapnel from grenades rips through barrier sin game, large bombs would tear through them no problem.

For this to be assessed properly, you'd need to know where she was, exactly, in relation to the bomb. As it is, you're pulling distances from nowhere.

Doesn't matter how far from the bomb she is when a ceiling falls on her head

[dreamgazer]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think we're overlooking the most intriguing bit of info to come out of this topic: there was an "edit war" on TVTropes about Liara.

I mean, seriously.

[AresKeith]

Seboist wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

Vasir > Liara

Vasir for squadmate would have been awesome and i'd make an exception to my no bang xeno policy for her.

I wanted the option to keep her alive too

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Plot armor is when characters survive otherewise impossible situations, or situations in which other characters arround them are affected, for no other reason than they are important to the plot.

[AlanC9]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
* Liara T'soni, a character from the first game, can only get killed exactly once in the bad ending scenario. She also has plot armor against the Illusive Man's Dragon Kai Leng, who kills or wounds other characters, but he totally ignores Liara (an out of character moment)

I don't quite see how Kai Leng fits in here. Liara isn't treated differently from anyone else in those scenes, is she? Unless  the point is merely that all the companions in ME3 have plot armor (though the VS and Tali have it taken away at different points). 

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 août 2013 - 10:13 .

[Barquiel]

I think the game would have been better if more characters had "plot armor" in ME2.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

.  Barriers can only do so much against stuff like falling ceilings, and by so much I mean jack ****.  Andshrapnel from grenades rips through barrier sin game, large bombs would tear through them no problem.

For this to be assessed properly, you'd need to know where she was, exactly, in relation to the bomb. As it is, you're pulling distances from nowhere.

Doesn't matter how far from the bomb she is when a ceiling falls on her head

You're assuming that she was in a room where a ceiling fell. Not all of them did.

[Br3admax]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

There should have been the option to betray liara and give her over to the shadow broker in ME2.

:devil:
Sounds good to me

I approve:D

Oh my god, yes. This. So much this.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

.  Barriers can only do so much against stuff like falling ceilings, and by so much I mean jack ****.  Andshrapnel from grenades rips through barrier sin game, large bombs would tear through them no problem.

For this to be assessed properly, you'd need to know where she was, exactly, in relation to the bomb. As it is, you're pulling distances from nowhere.

Doesn't matter how far from the bomb she is when a ceiling falls on her head

You're assuming that she was in a room where a ceiling fell. Not all of them did.

I am assuming only that being in a building where bombs were detonated on multiple levels, and highly trained mercenaries came through shooting survivors, some sort of injury would be sustained.

There is no suck injury or death, hence plot armor.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

If the plot needs them alive until a certain point then that character has Plot Armor

Saying someone has plot armor is not bashing a character, so stop getting your panties in a bunch (same with Xil)

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think we're overlooking the most intriguing bit of info to come out of this topic: there was an "edit war" on TVTropes about Liara.

I mean, seriously.

More than one.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

I think the game would have been better if more characters had "plot armor" in ME2.

No one is saying that her plot armor detracts from her character, merely pointing out that Liara does in fact have plot armor.

[David7204]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

If the plot needs them alive until a certain point then that character has Plot Armor

Saying someone has plot armor is not bashing a character, so stop getting your panties in a bunch (same with Xil)

That's not plot armor. And it's in fact a very backwards way of looking at stories.

[AlanC9]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Plot armor is when characters survive otherewise impossible situations, or situations in which other characters arround them are affected, for no other reason than they are important to the plot.

By this definition Liara's got no more plot armor than, say, Garrus. It isn't plot armor that keeps her alive through ME2, it's not going on the SM.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 août 2013 - 10:17 .