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[AresKeith]

Barquiel wrote...

I think the game would have been better if more characters had "plot armor" in ME2.

it would've created less variables for Bioware to deal with, I agree

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


Being shrouded in psychic force fields helps.

.  Barriers can only do so much against stuff like falling ceilings, and by so much I mean jack ****.  Andshrapnel from grenades rips through barrier sin game, large bombs would tear through them no problem.

For this to be assessed properly, you'd need to know where she was, exactly, in relation to the bomb. As it is, you're pulling distances from nowhere.

Doesn't matter how far from the bomb she is when a ceiling falls on her head

You're assuming that she was in a room where a ceiling fell. Not all of them did.

I am assuming only that being in a building where bombs were detonated on multiple levels, and highly trained mercenaries came through shooting survivors, some sort of injury would be sustained.

There is no suck injury or death, hence plot armor.

Shepard sustains injury all the time without it being viewable on the model, barrier damage would never be visible at all, and you're ultimately making some highly selective assumptions.

[Steelcan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara does not have plot armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Plot armor is when characters survive otherewise impossible situations, or situations in which other characters arround them are affected, for no other reason than they are important to the plot.

By this definition Liara's got no more plot armor than, say, Garrus.

Garrus has the distinction of being able to die.

but he has it too, it detracts nothing from him either.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

.  Once again, I do not need to see it on TVtropes to know that Liara has plot armor

But she doesn't, it's silly. She's not one of the necessarily-Alliance members at risk in ME1, she doesn't join the suicide mission in ME2, and she doesn't ever have the possibility of turning on Shepard or just committing suicide... none of which is unique to her.

She survives hazardous situations in which other characters are killed (the Baria Frontiers bombing) without so much as a scratch.

Other civilians survived as well. As for surviving with no scratches at all. Here is a screenshot of Sekat after surviving a bomb and getting shot.

Perhaps the devs just got lazy and forgot to add patches of blood on these two characters?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Shepard sustains injury all the time without it being viewable on the model, barrier damage would never be visible at all, and you're ultimately making some highly selective assumptions.

That is a gameplay/story segregation.

Shepard encounters similar situations when he is fried by Harbinger or seemingly smashed by a bit of Sovereign.

[David7204]

Anyone who thinks Liara or other characters in Mass Effect have plot armor, the page is right here. If it's so obvious, you should have problem at all arguing your case.

This little litany that 'It's pointless because you'll just take it out' is ridiculous nonsense. Edit Wars are strictly forbidden, and there's a big button right on the left side of the page that allows you to request moderator assistance, which will be prompt at this time of the day.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 10:20 .

[Br3admax]

Liara has plot armor because every other squad mate can die except her. James sort of has it as well, but he's a new addition to the team, so I'll let that slide.

[David7204]

That is absolutely not plot armor at all.

[spirosz]

I don't really think she has plot armor. More like, writer's pet barrier with a duration spanning across the trilogy, vanilla trilogy mind you. So in my mind, they never, ever... wanted to see her "die at any moment". So they basically warped her around moments that would always end up being in her favour.

Now Jack has mighty fine plot armor.

[dreamgazer]

Joker has more plot armor than everyone in the MEU combined.

Just sayin'.

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

Liara has plot armor because every other squad mate can die except her. James sort of has it as well, but he's a new addition to the team, so I'll let that slide.

Liara has plot armor becuase she survives extremely dangerous situations with no damage.  Solely because of her importance to the plot.

[David7204]

Jack does not have plot armor either.

Nor does Joker.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 10:23 .

[Br3admax]

Really, because the plot keeps elevating her status so she just becomes more and more important. I think that's plot armor by definition. They made her be the only one to help you reach Novaria. The only one to be able to defeat and replace the Shadow Broker, and the only one able to discover the Crucible which is the entire plot of ME3. Explain to me how that is not plot armor.

[Seboist]

Barquiel wrote...

I think the game would have been better if more characters had "plot armor" in ME2.

Nah, it would have been better if such superflous characters weren't there to begin with.

[David7204]

You're wrong. That's not plot armor at all.

Plot armor is a character surviving certain-death situations in a contrived fashion by nothing more than 'luck' in story.

Plot armor is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

[spirosz]

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE CAN'T DIE TILL THE END? HARBINGER? PLOT ARMOR ACHIEVED?

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

I don't really think she has plot armor. More like, writer's pet barrier with a duration spanning across the trilogy, vanilla trilogy mind you. So in my mind, they never, ever... wanted to see her "die at any moment". So they basically warped her around moments that would always end up being in her favour.

Now Jack has mighty fine plot armor.

So much plot armor

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

You're wrong. That's not plot armor at all.

Plot armor is a character surviving certain-death situations in a contrived fashion by nothing more than 'luck' in story.

Plot armor is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

How does plot armor not involve the plot at all?

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

Jack does not have plot armor either.

Nor does Joker.

I was joking David.  

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You're wrong. That's not plot armor at all.

Plot armor is a character surviving certain-death situations in a contrived fashion by nothing more than 'luck' in story.

Plot armor is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Baria Frontiers bombing.  She survives merely because she is lucky.

[dreamgazer]

Please explain to me how Joker, brittle bone disease and all, doesn't have plot armor.

[iOnlySignIn]

Steelcan wrote...

She survives hazardous situations in which other characters are killed (the Baria Frontiers bombing) without so much as a scratch.

She does get visibly affected by the bombing. She becomes drenched in water when she shows up in Baria Frontiers to confront Vasir.

[David7204]

You've got not clue whatsoever how she survives.