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[David7204]

Joker can easily be killed during that sequence if the player screws up.

It isn't plot armor.

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Plot armor is when writers prevent important characters in the plot from dying in situations where death is almost certain. ME2 is really the only game where no one on the squad had plot armor. Joker does not have plot armor because it is very possible to survive what he did.

Miranda did.

Tell her to hold up the bubble. She'll die. 

Nope, one of the squaddies you bring will.

Sorry I think it's the tubes, but she can definitly die if she isn't loyal. Every member of the squad including Shepard can die.

Afaik the only way to kill her certainly is to bring her unloyal to the final confrontation with the termina/- I mean Reaper

[David7204]

Br3ad wrote...

Sorry I think it's the tubes, but she can definitly die if she isn't loyal. Every member of the squad including Shepard can die.

Only after the team splits to fight the Human Reaper and hold the line. She'll die on the platforms if she isn't loyal, or she can be killed holding the line.

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Joker can easily be killed during that sequence if the player screws up.

It isn't plot armor.

Gameplay/Story segregation. What are you talking about?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

She survives Cerberus taking over the Mars Archives simply by her Liaraness.

Because we have never met other characters surviving ambushes or live threatning/high risk situations in the Mass Effect series?

Like Ashley, Tali (she's done it twice now!), Jack.

[Steelcan]

Lizardviking wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

She survives Cerberus taking over the Mars Archives simply by her Liaraness.

Because we have never met other characters surviving ambushes or live threatning/high risk situations in the Mass Effect series?

Like Ashley, Tali (she's done it twice now!), Jack.

Also examples of plot armor.

Liara's obvious armor DOES NOT detract from her charcater.

[Br3admax]

Lizardviking wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

She survives Cerberus taking over the Mars Archives simply by her Liaraness.

Because we have never met other characters surviving ambushes or live threatning/high risk situations in the Mass Effect series?

Like Ashley, Tali (she's done it twice now!), Jack.

At those points, weren't they important to the plot. And when we get there, most of those people still had a team. They just die in the process. And where does Jack do this. She isn't alone.

Modifié par Br3ad, 19 août 2013 - 10:43 .

[Steelcan]

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

The only thing she is worse at than being the SB is a Prothen researcher.

[David7204]

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

It might shock you to learn that most content in stories is not put in for the sole purpose of building up to something else. That content doesn't need any justification aside from being good.

Liara was made Shadow Broker because it was a satisfying and meaningful plot point.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 10:44 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You're wrong. That's not plot armor at all.

Plot armor is a character surviving certain-death situations in a contrived fashion by nothing more than 'luck' in story.

Plot armor is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Baria Frontiers bombing.  She survives merely because she is lucky.

Except, she's not the only person to survive the bombing, and was in an area that wasn't damaged by the bomb. 

Random civilian #245 has plot armor too

Well, no, it means she doesn't have plot armor, not everyone has plot armor. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 19 août 2013 - 10:44 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

She had SB stuff to do in previous versions of the script, but then Bioware realised that Traynor was completely irrelevant beyond being a F/F LI and decided to give her all of Liara's SB stuff.

[Br3admax]

Plot armor does not mean never die.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

The only thing she is worse at than being the SB is a Prothen researcher.

She found the plans for the Crucible and was one of the few people in her field who believed in the Reaper's cycle. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 19 août 2013 - 10:47 .

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

It might shock you to learn that most content in stories is not put in for the sole purpose of building up to something else.

Liara was made Shadow Broker because it was a satisfying and meaningful plot point.

No. Liara was made SB becauset hey had no idea what to do with her because of poor planing so they made her SB, however when they made the protheans important again it became clear that making her SB was uselss because protheans being important made her have a role again by default. Classic case of poor planing if I ever saw one.

[Seboist]

Br3ad wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Plot armor is when writers prevent important characters in the plot from dying in situations where death is almost certain. ME2 is really the only game where no one on the squad had plot armor. Joker does not have plot armor because it is very possible to survive what he did.

Miranda did.

Tell her to hold up the bubble. She'll die. 

It's another squadmate that dies not her(same with Jacob/Thane if they hold it up).

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

The only thing she is worse at than being the SB is a Prothen researcher.

She found the plans for the Crucible.

At an already working Alliance research lab.  If she hadn't someone else would have. 

[CynicalShep]

Br3ad wrote...

Geth are illegal. As a dutiful Council Spectre you must destroy them.

Working with terrorists is illegal. Will you pull the trigger?

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You're wrong. That's not plot armor at all.

Plot armor is a character surviving certain-death situations in a contrived fashion by nothing more than 'luck' in story.

Plot armor is not 'Any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

Baria Frontiers bombing.  She survives merely because she is lucky.

Except, she's not the only person to survive the bombing, and was in an area that wasn't damaged by the bomb. 

Random civilian #245 has plot armor too

Well, no, it means she doesn't have plot armor, not everyone has plot armor. 

Not everyone does

[Br3admax]

Seboist wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Plot armor is when writers prevent important characters in the plot from dying in situations where death is almost certain. ME2 is really the only game where no one on the squad had plot armor. Joker does not have plot armor because it is very possible to survive what he did.

Miranda did.

Tell her to hold up the bubble. She'll die. 

It's another squadmate that dies not her(same with Jacob/Thane if they hold it up).

You're late, bro.

[Steelcan]

CynicalShep wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Geth are illegal. As a dutiful Council Spectre you must destroy them.

Working with terrorists is illegal. Will you pull the trigger?

I'm a SPECTRE, laws don't apply to me:bandit:

[themikefest]

If Miranda is the only one holding the line, she will die loyal or non-loyal. If she is non-loyal she can die depending on how many characters are holding the line and which characters are fighting with her..

Bring non-loyal Miranda to fight the reaper she will die

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

alleyd wrote...

Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?

I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.

The only thing she is worse at than being the SB is a Prothen researcher.

Ok no, sorry steel but now you're just trolling.

[Br3admax]

What's with all the late people?

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Joker can easily be killed during that sequence if the player screws up.

It isn't plot armor.

If the plot demands that Joker lives in that section then he lives

Plot Armor is not a negative term, stop making it out to be one