Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
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#727
Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:03
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What did her SB resources allow her to find? Did the Crucible plans have a disclaimer? *Only an incompetent information Broker may unlock me*Barquiel wrote...
She discovered the Crucible plans thanks to her SB resources. Liara went to Kahje to study the prothean ruins there, and discovered a promising lead in the form of encryption keys for other Prothean archives. Then she informed Admiral Hackett of a possible lead and asked for access to the Mars archive.
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Someone has to explain the Crucible, you know.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
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From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........The Night Mammoth wrote...
Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again.
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Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:05
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What 'job' is that?Mr.House wrote...
Doing her job, which ME3 made possible again instead of the writter not knowing what to do and gave her a pointless middle chapter arc.
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:06
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What? I wasn't even thinking about that, I just think the Protheans have been used past their time, which really should have ended in ME1.Mr.House wrote...
Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:06
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Mr.House wrote...
Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
Silence heretic!
The blueberry can do no wrong! Even when she is wrong... especially when she is wrong!
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Why was Liara made Shadow Broker if virtually nothing was carried forward in the later game?
I felt she suited the role of being a Prothean specialist and would have hot footed it back to Ilos, a virtually undisturbed Prothean site.
She discovered the Crucible plans thanks to her SB resources. Liara went to Kahje to study the prothean ruins there, and discovered a promising lead in the form of encryption keys for other Prothean archives. Then she informed Admiral Hackett of a possible lead and asked for access to the Mars archive.
I'm not criticisng Liara's role or place in the canon, It was her Prothean expertise that made her more important. in the end.
Also the S/B angle on the DLC was not extended upon in GAMEPLAY except for a couple of fetch quests. That was my point.
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Prothean expert?David7204 wrote...
What 'job' is that?Mr.House wrote...
Doing her job, which ME3 made possible again instead of the writter not knowing what to do and gave her a pointless middle chapter arc.
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Everyone was wrong about society though.Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
Silence heretic!
The blueberry can do no wrong! Even when she is wrong... especially when she is wrong!
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:07
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That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years.Steelcan wrote...
From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........The Night Mammoth wrote...
Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again.
So what's your point?
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I see. And how exactly do you imagine such a thing contributes to the story?Mr.House wrote...
Prothean expert?David7204 wrote...
What 'job' is that?
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:08
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Did you play ME?David7204 wrote...
I see. And how exactly do you imagine such a thing contributes to the story?Mr.House wrote...
Prothean expert?David7204 wrote...
What 'job' is that?
#740
Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:08
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The Crucible? These posts can't all be serious. They just can't.
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Honestly every Prothean reasearch should just fall on their sword after Javik.Mr.House wrote...
Everyone was wrong about society though.Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
Silence heretic!
The blueberry can do no wrong! Even when she is wrong... especially when she is wrong!
#742
Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:08
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Mr.House wrote...
Indeed.Lizardviking wrote...
Given the current ME3 it would have been better if she just stayed a Prothean expert.
By the protheans being important, Liara had a proper role again, there
was no need for this pointlesss SB plot that the writters made for ME2
because
1:They did no planning
2:Had no clue what to do with the character
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be fair, as I mentioned before, they atleast had a few moments in the
early script of ME3 where they had her do some Shadow-Brokery stuff to
do. But they gave it all to Traynor instead.
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Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
I actually agree with Xil, though more because I feel that after ME1, the Prothean's role in the story is over. They have given us a chance to fight back and now the rest is up to us.
It's the reason why I don't like Javik.
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:09
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There is no aspect of Liara, unique to Liara, that enabled her to discover the Crucible plans, except for BioWare's Liara loveThe Night Mammoth wrote...
That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years.Steelcan wrote...
From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........The Night Mammoth wrote...
Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again.
So what's your point?
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:10
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I would probably scrap Javik as well.
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Steelcan wrote...
Honestly every Prothean reasearch should just fall on their sword after Javik.Mr.House wrote...
Everyone was wrong about society though.Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Of course you would say that, it makes Liara not look wrong about their society afterall.Xilizhra wrote...
Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
Silence heretic!
The blueberry can do no wrong! Even when she is wrong... especially when she is wrong!
It would be fitting.
Botching your research was punishable by death in the empire.
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:11
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BURN THE HEATHEN.David7204 wrote...
I would probably scrap Javik as well.
GRAB YOUR TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS. THIS BLASPHEMY MUST BE PURGED.
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Br3ad wrote...
The Crucible? These posts can't all be serious. They just can't.
It's best to not take David or Xil serious anymore
Especially with David posting links to TVtropes
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Yes. I played the first game. How exactly do you imagine such a thing contributes to the story? It's not a difficult question.Mr.House wrote...
Did you play ME?David7204 wrote...
I see. And how exactly do you imagine such a thing contributes to the story?
#749
Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:11
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David7204 wrote...
I would probably scrap Javik as well.
You shut your mouth Javik is more heroic than twenty Liaras!
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Posté 19 août 2013 - 11:12
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Really, I think it'd have been better to deemphasize the Protheans in ME3. They worked better in ME1 as a red herring and false explanation for the universe's technology, and then were just one more victim of the Reapers. The Collectors were used pretty well in ME2, but the Prothean focus in ME3 just felt out of place; I'd have kept Liara as the Shadow Broker and made that more continually important, ideally.
Sorry I disagree that the Protheans should have been neglected, in fact the reverse. I think it should have been extended on the lines how a disorganised and decapitated society resisted the Reapers and left so much technology around for this cycle. How their sabotage of the Citadel bought us time.
Yes If Liara was needed to be S/B, then use it better in game. Not make it appear like a loose end or ret con by having Cerberus wipe her network off the map.
The S/B resource was far more important than just Liara herself
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