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[KaiserShep]

Scrapping Javik would suck nads.

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

I would probably scrap Javik as well.

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again. 

From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........

That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years. 

So what's your point? 

There is no aspect of Liara, unique to Liara, that enabled her to discover the Crucible plans, except for BioWare's Liara love

If Bioware loved Liara so much, they would not have gave 99% of her stuff to Sam so Sam would have had a purpose. Hadt hey not, Liara being SB would not have been so dam jarring or look so dam incomptent.

[SiniisteR]

Steelcan wrote...

Liara in ME3.

*snip*

Now that I think about it, Miranda could of told Shepard where TIM's base was, since shes there in ME2's beginning, rather than finding out just by placing a tracker on Kai Leng.

[Barquiel]

Mr.House wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

She should have never been Sb to begin with.

Enlighten me of your brilliant idea of what Liara 'should have been,' House.

Given the current ME3 it would have been better if she just stayed a Prothean expert.

Indeed. By the protheans being important, Liara had a proper role again, there was no need for this pointlesss SB plot that the writters made for ME2 because

1:They did no planning
2:Had no clue what to do with the character

I think it wouldn't have made much sense if Liara had simply "stumbled" across the crucible plans. Using something like the SB ressources was probably necessary to make finding the plans at least somewhat believable.

[Wulfram]

If you assume that Prothean researchers didn't have access to (the equivalent of) written records, then their total ignorance of Prothean culture is fairly forgivable. Our understanding of, say, Harappan culture is probably much worse.

But ME3 generally seems to imply that there's a hell of a lot of Prothean stuff lying around, which is problematic.

[David7204]

I really don't like the idea of just finding a living Prothean.

Perhaps Javik could be replaced by a character of another race with the same attitude. Although I'm unsure how I could justify having Shepard have such a person on the ship at all.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 11:16 .

[Br3admax]

 

Javik is the real hero. Not Shepard. Shepard didn't stand as the last member of his race. Javik is a hero without even wanting to be. Shepard is just filler until Javik comes along.

[Steelcan]

SiniisteR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Liara in ME3.

*snip*

Now that I think about it, Miranda could of told Shepard where TIM's base was, since shes there in ME2's beginning, rather than finding out just by placing a tracker on Kai Leng.

It does move around

[themikefest]

David7204 wrote...

I would probably scrap Javik as well.

Why? Because he proves that T'soni isn't the prothean expert that she claims to be. He tells her on Thessia that "you didn't study hard enough".

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again. 

From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........

That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years. 

So what's your point? 

There is no aspect of Liara, unique to Liara, that enabled her to discover the Crucible plans, except for BioWare's Liara love

So you'd prefer Liara to have some special skill that no one else has?

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again. 

From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........

That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years. 

So what's your point? 

There is no aspect of Liara, unique to Liara, that enabled her to discover the Crucible plans, except for BioWare's Liara love

If Bioware loved Liara so much, they would not have gave 99% of her stuff to Sam so Sam would have had a purpose. Hadt hey not, Liara being SB would not have been so dam jarring or look so dam incomptent.

Easy, real lesbians > sometimes lesbians

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again. 

From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........

That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years. 

So what's your point? 

There is no aspect of Liara, unique to Liara, that enabled her to discover the Crucible plans, except for BioWare's Liara love

So you'd prefer Liara to have some special skill that no one else has?

I'd prefer she die on LotSB.

But given her forced plot relevence, yes.

[Mr.House]

themikefest wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would probably scrap Javik as well.

Why? Because he proves that T'soni isn't the prothean expert that she claims to be. He tells her on Thessia that "you didn't study hard enough".

Again, NO ONE was right, it was not just Liara. Liara however at least was right about other things that helped Shepard so she is bettert hen the rest of the so called prothean experts.

[Steelcan]

themikefest wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would probably scrap Javik as well.

Why? Because he proves that T'soni isn't the prothean expert that she claims to be. He tells her on Thessia that "you didn't study hard enough".

I love her denial rage on the Normandy.

"My people weren't animals for your kind to experiment on"

Lol, yes you were.

[dreamgazer]

Steelcan wrote...

Liara in ME3.

It's amusing, and kinda unfortunate, how often people misinterpret that scene with Wrex and Liara. 

[SiniisteR]

Steelcan wrote...

SiniisteR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Liara in ME3.

*snip*

Now that I think about it, Miranda could of told Shepard where TIM's base was, since shes there in ME2's beginning, rather than finding out just by placing a tracker on Kai Leng.

It does move around

Is this said somewhere? Not meaning it in a snarky way, just want a confirmation.

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

themikefest wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I would probably scrap Javik as well.

Why? Because he proves that T'soni isn't the prothean expert that she claims to be. He tells her on Thessia that "you didn't study hard enough".

Again, NO ONE was right, it was not just Liara. Liara however at least was right about other things that helped Shepard so she is bettert hen the rest of the so called prothean experts.

Being the "most right" in a group of people who think the world is flat isn't an accomplishment

[David7204]

Javik is little more than a thug and a coward hopelessly dependent on his delusions. He gleefully advocates genocide, but has to hide his actions away in his little memory shard because he can't face what he did.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 11:18 .

[Steelcan]

SiniisteR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

SiniisteR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Liara in ME3.

*snip*

Now that I think about it, Miranda could of told Shepard where TIM's base was, since shes there in ME2's beginning, rather than finding out just by placing a tracker on Kai Leng.

It does move around

Is this said somewhere? Not meaning it in a snarky way, just want a confirmation.

ME: Retribution I believe

[CronoDragoon]

SiniisteR wrote...

Now that I think about it, Miranda could of told Shepard where TIM's base was, since shes there in ME2's beginning, rather than finding out just by placing a tracker on Kai Leng.

The base moves, according to the books. That he settles the base at similar-looking stars doesn't mean they are the same.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Javik is little more than a thug and a coward hopelessly dependent on his delusions. He gleefully advocates genocide, but has to hide his actions away in his little memory shard because he can't face what he did.

You just don't like him because he upset your waifu.

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

Being the "most right" in a group of people who think the world is flat isn't an accomplishment

It's absolutely an accomplishment. The people who realized the Earth was round were likely far smarter than almost anyone alive today. Not magically knowing everything in the universe is no fault at all. They did the best they could with the knowledge and evidence they had.

[Br3admax]

How, Liara did not find them. They joke about her being a bad Shadow Broker. She was busy? Really?How busy is she that she can't tap into communications from Sur'Kesh? But she knows who Shepard bumps uglies with. That's what is really important.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Being the Shadow Broker was what led her to the Crucible plans. Try again. 

From prothean ruins that were on a freaking Citadel race homeworld.........

That not a single member of said Citadel race, or any Citadel race, had found, in the past thirty years. 

So what's your point? 

There is no aspect of Liara, unique to Liara, that enabled her to discover the Crucible plans, except for BioWare's Liara love

So you'd prefer Liara to have some special skill that no one else has?

I'd prefer she die on LotSB.

But given her forced plot relevence, yes.

And you don't see how strange it is to want Liara to have a special and unique skill whilst decrying that she's already BioWare's pet? And you don't care that there's not a single character in the entire series which is like how you want Liara to be?

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 19 août 2013 - 11:21 .