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[Steelcan]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Why on Earth would I need singularity? I can detonate my own biotic combos.

>Implying multiple BE's aren't awesome
>Implying singularity doesn't make for good skeet shooting
>Implying liara can't be used to set off BE's.

Sorry man, but those are true facts.

Javik's Dark Channel/Pull + Throw/Warp + Lift Grenades = no need whatsoever for the blueberry

Singularity>Pull (Crowd control and can have extremely short cooldown)
Warp>Dark Channel (It can prime 50% better and detonates)
Stasis>>>>>>>Slam
Lift Grenades>Warp Ammo

Dark Channel bounces to the nearest enemy after the old one dies.  And with my throw spamming (2 bolts as well) i have had instances of enemies lining up then being detonated ina  row.  "Twas glorious.

[themikefest]

KaiserShep wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Agreed.

On the Palaven mission after T'soni fixed the comms tower, I went to the right to help Vega fight some husks, I look to the left and see a husk jump on T'soni, hit her 3 times and she falls  "dead". I checked the difficulty and surprised I had it on narrative mode. I laughed and thought , why is she a squadmate? 

Narrative is ridiculously easy. I found that the only way for a squad member to die in battle is to just sit back and do nothing. Liara spams singularity and warp on everything and husks are the weakest enemies. 

It is easy. After seeing that I switched it to hardcore mode.

And as I stated in the post I just stood there watching a husk kick T'soni's a** . She didn't even spam her powers.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Other soldiers don't have Shepard as their mentor.

In any case, would this not apply equally well to almost any character in any action fiction in existence?

My Shep was 100% not her Mentor.

Your Shepard kept her on the ship for two games. Helped her defeat the Broker. Dove for her instead of the other squadmate when the Broker threw that desk at them. Had Liara save his body. All of that's canonical.

I don't see how Shepard mentoring her in combat is a stretch at all.

My Shep also never spoke to her after ME1 on the ship after getting ninja'manced.  And what if I choose to not do LotSB?  And Liara chased after Shepard because of her own obsession (I mean prying the melted and gore covered armor, cleaning it, and then displaying it?)

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

It's not the fact that she knows how to fight I have a problem with. It's that she seems to know how to fight in such a way that it exceeds the skill of a normal solider and goes into "one of the best" territories in terms of her skill.

Other soldiers don't have Shepard as their mentor.

In any case, would this not apply equally well to almost any character in any action fiction in existence?

No.

Garrus has confirmed years of experience and training for his skills.

Grunt has many programed in memories from countless krogan warriros and warlords, and his body is designed to be powerful.

Wrex has been raised on a world where fighting is a means of survival, and so his skill can be understood especially with his age.

Tali comes from a society of underdogs who need to scrap by to survive, and it's established that quarians train their children in self defesne and technology from a very early age.

Ashely, Kaidan, Jacob, and Vega are all soliders who have years of training in basic and beyond, and would know how to fight.

Miranda was trained by her father I believe, and later on by cerberus as one of their agents, her combat skills is known.

Mordin was a memeber of a special operations military group.

Thane was trained as an assassin since he was a kid.

Zaeed is a veteran mercenary who fights for a living.

Kasumi is a criminal whose profession requires her to know how to fight when people come after her.

EDI and Legion can both be programed with appropriate combat skills to compensate for their shortcomings.

Samara is a holy warrior of the asari people who fights against injustice.

Jack is a pwoerful biotic and criminal whose caused enough trouble to be locked in the most maxiumum security prison in the galaxy. her reputation speaks for itself.

Liara is a scientist and digger in the dirt for artifacts, her training should pale in comparison to the others, at points, it seems to excede it instead.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Why on Earth would I need singularity? I can detonate my own biotic combos.

>Implying multiple BE's aren't awesome
>Implying singularity doesn't make for good skeet shooting
>Implying liara can't be used to set off BE's.

Sorry man, but those are true facts.

Javik's Dark Channel/Pull + Throw/Warp + Lift Grenades = no need whatsoever for the blueberry

Why not both?

[Barquiel]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Liara was trained to shoot a gun long before she met Shepard

She mostly uses her biotics anyway so why start a random argument

Is there any evidence of that outside of gameplay, which shouldn't count due to gameplay and story segregation?

Says the person who claims that Shepard has been training Liara

Liara is already a powerful biotic when we meet her. Its with weapons that I thought she would need training. Within my own headcanon, I like to imagine that Shepard and Liara train a bit at Pinnacle station.

Gameplay-wise, Liara is one of the best squadmates in ME3 (otherwise she wouldn't be the most used character in the game).

[Mr.House]

themikefest wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Liara is trained in using a firearm and has powerful biotics. There's no point in arguing whether or not she had training. Her abilities speak for themselves.

I spent more medi-gel on her than anyone else.  Never used her.

Worst squadmate ever

Agreed.

On the Palaven mission after T'soni fixed the comms tower, I went to the right to help Vega fight some husks, I look to the left and see a husk jump on T'soni, hit her 3 times and she falls  "dead". I checked the difficulty and surprised I had it on narrative mode. I laughed and thought , why is she a squadmate? 

That has never happen to me at all, even on insainty. The only time Liara and Garrus/Kaidan die on me is on Earth at the final area because I'm cheating and just running around cloaked.

[Steelcan]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Why on Earth would I need singularity? I can detonate my own biotic combos.

>Implying multiple BE's aren't awesome
>Implying singularity doesn't make for good skeet shooting
>Implying liara can't be used to set off BE's.

Sorry man, but those are true facts.

Javik's Dark Channel/Pull + Throw/Warp + Lift Grenades = no need whatsoever for the blueberry

Why not both?

Cause I need someone to help set up tech detonantions.  Kaidan/Garrus/Tali on her two missions/EDI very occasionally

[ParkBom]

Steelcan wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Why on Earth would I need singularity? I can detonate my own biotic combos.

>Implying multiple BE's aren't awesome
>Implying singularity doesn't make for good skeet shooting
>Implying liara can't be used to set off BE's.

Sorry man, but those are true facts.

Javik's Dark Channel/Pull + Throw/Warp + Lift Grenades = no need whatsoever for the blueberry

Singularity>Pull (Crowd control and can have extremely short cooldown)
Warp>Dark Channel (It can prime 50% better and detonates)
Stasis>>>>>>>Slam
Lift Grenades>Warp Ammo

Dark Channel bounces to the nearest enemy after the old one dies.  And with my throw spamming (2 bolts as well) i have had instances of enemies lining up then being detonated ina  row.  "Twas glorious.

Oh, I know it bounces. It's quite useful. However, the damage it does it just less than a BE from Warp+Throw, if the right evolitions are chosen. Not to mention Liara's minimal cooldown on Singularity, which does the same amount of BE damage as Dark Channel and lifts multiple. Idk if SP received the buff that Singularity received in MP but there, it is a powerhouse power.

[CronoDragoon]

David7204 wrote...
It's absolutely sound logic. If you can point out a flaw, do so.

Will do!

You can't use probabilistic statements in deductive logic, unless you know the exact probability of both the premise and conclusion on which you are relying the soundness of your argument. This is even being generous and allowing you probabilistic logic at all in the concept of "soundness" which traditionally limits itself to strict symbolic deductive logic, and also allowing that probabilistic logic be granted as within the realm of deductive logic.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 août 2013 - 12:31 .

[David7204]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

It's not the fact that she knows how to fight I have a problem with. It's that she seems to know how to fight in such a way that it exceeds the skill of a normal solider and goes into "one of the best" territories in terms of her skill.

Other soldiers don't have Shepard as their mentor.

In any case, would this not apply equally well to almost any character in any action fiction in existence?

Liara is a scientist and digger in the dirt for artifacts, her training should pale in comparison to the others, at points, it seems to excede it instead.

Yes, you seem to be proving my point. Liara likely has no combat experience. Therefore, the most sensible explanation is that she received training from Shepard. What are you trying to argue again?

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 12:31 .

[Steelcan]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Oh, I know it bounces. It's quite useful. However, the damage it does it just less than a BE from Warp+Throw, if the right evolitions are chosen. Not to mention Liara's minimal cooldown on Singularity, which does the same amount of BE damage as Dark Channel and lifts multiple. Idk if SP received the buff that Singularity received in MP but there, it is a powerhouse power.

It's jump ability compensates for a slow recharge time, and it works on shielded enemies which singularity does not.

[Xilizhra]

Liara is a scientist and digger in the dirt for artifacts, her training should pale in comparison to the others, at points, it seems to excede it instead.

Liara actually has no weapons training ability in ME1, so that's reflected. She does focus mostly on her biotics as a combat mechanism; she does, however, mention that she's had to fight off pirates and others while on her digs. Which would seem to at least match Tali.

[Steelcan]

Oh joy Xil is back <_<<_<

[ParkBom]

Steelcan wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Oh, I know it bounces. It's quite useful. However, the damage it does it just less than a BE from Warp+Throw, if the right evolitions are chosen. Not to mention Liara's minimal cooldown on Singularity, which does the same amount of BE damage as Dark Channel and lifts multiple. Idk if SP received the buff that Singularity received in MP but there, it is a powerhouse power.

It's jump ability compensates for a slow recharge time, and it works on shielded enemies which singularity does not.

Warp does as well. If fighting shielded enemies, I can simply shoot+Kaidan/EDI Overload before Singularity.

@Lathrim I don't know whether that's a good or bad things, given both good buffs and bad nerfs.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Oh joy Xil is back <_<<_<

It's hardly my fault you're obsessed with Liara.

[David7204]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Will do!

Let me make this simple for you. Instead of rambling on making proclamations of what deductive reasoning supposedly is and isn't, point out to my the flaw in these two statements right here.

A is the most likely explanation for B. This is given.
B, therefore A. (Probably.)

Is the second statement a valid conclusion, or is it not?

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 12:36 .

[Steelcan]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Oh, I know it bounces. It's quite useful. However, the damage it does it just less than a BE from Warp+Throw, if the right evolitions are chosen. Not to mention Liara's minimal cooldown on Singularity, which does the same amount of BE damage as Dark Channel and lifts multiple. Idk if SP received the buff that Singularity received in MP but there, it is a powerhouse power.

It's jump ability compensates for a slow recharge time, and it works on shielded enemies which singularity does not.

Warp does as well. If fighting shielded enemies, I can simply shoot+Kaidan/EDI Overload before Singularity.

But enemies have a nasty habit of dodging warp

[wolfhowwl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Liara is a scientist and digger in the dirt for artifacts, her training should pale in comparison to the others, at points, it seems to excede it instead.

Liara actually has no weapons training ability in ME1, so that's reflected. She does focus mostly on her biotics as a combat mechanism; she does, however, mention that she's had to fight off pirates and others while on her digs. Which would seem to at least match Tali.

The presence of both of them on the squad is pretty silly.

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

Six months of one-on-one training for who knows how many hours each day is more than enough for Liara's skills to be completely possible.

* assuming that everybody's Shepard loves Liara as much as yours
* assuming 6 months have passed
* assuming 6 months is enough to make Liara as good in combat as trained soldiers and veteran warlords
* assuming spectre Shepard who is chasing Saren, hunting criminals and running errands for the Alliance (optionally) has a lot of time and desire to teach Liara everything he knows
* assuming a infiltrator Shepard could teach Liara much in terms of biotics and combat

Sounds like you are making a few leaps of faith

[Br3admax]

Liara is blue and has boobs. She was born knowing how to shoot a gun.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Oh joy Xil is back <_<<_<

It's hardly my fault you're obsessed with Liara.

Just a slow day


(pot, kettle)

[Kel Riever]

Javik technically costs extra. Having said that, singularity is far too weak compared to other biotic abilities.

it was buffed in MP mode and is now one of the mos underrated abilities.  As mentioned though, none of that translated over to SP mode.  And I'll ssy again, biotics as a whole are far too weak in ME3

Modifié par Kel Riever, 20 août 2013 - 12:39 .

[Xilizhra]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Liara is a scientist and digger in the dirt for artifacts, her training should pale in comparison to the others, at points, it seems to excede it instead.

Liara actually has no weapons training ability in ME1, so that's reflected. She does focus mostly on her biotics as a combat mechanism; she does, however, mention that she's had to fight off pirates and others while on her digs. Which would seem to at least match Tali.

The presence of both of them on the squad is pretty silly.

Evidently not, given their ability to keep up. It sounds more like you're saying that you'd be interested in learning more about where they received their training.