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[force192]

From what I saw in the video it looks awesome! Hopefully the option to disable auto attack will be in the PC version this time. I really, really hate auto attack. I was disappointed that I couldn't disable it in the PC version like I could in the console version.

[cJohnOne]

I hate the harpoon. Not sure I like the shield idea where you don't take damage from the front if you have a shield.

I think dodge should be a die roll like a table top game. At least that would be more fun for me.

[slimgrin]

cJohnOne wrote...

Not sure I like the shield idea where you don't take damage from the front if you have a shield.

Yeah, cause that's crazy...

[leaguer of one]

cJohnOne wrote...

I hate the harpoon. Not sure I like the shield idea where you don't take damage from the front if you have a shield.

I think dodge should be a die roll like a table top game. At least that would be more fun for me.

Wow, your a lobster accountant.

So, an item that helps with crowd control and getting key enemies is bad and a move enhancement you don't need to use is also bad as well?

Really, they are not a big deal.

[Silas7]

ArenCordial wrote...

Actually it reminds me less of Dark Souls and more like Kingdoms of Amalur.

Qft

[JediHealerCosmin]

It looks... meh what's the point in arguing. It's pre-alpha, a lot of stuff is going to change, we didn't see any party based stuff, and I'm interested in seeing the PC version (which hasn't been shown yet).

For now... it looks like a slow DmC game. To me. I know I will be proven wrong (I hope), but that's my impression. Please change this.

RPG = Dragon Age ≠ Action game

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 17 août 2013 - 05:32 .

[Genshie]

EntropicAngel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Wow, your a lobster accountant.

So, an item that helps with crowd control and getting key enemies is bad and a move enhancement you don't need to use is also bad as well?

Really, they are not a big deal.

The move is TWITCH. And it's not just something they're throwing in there just for the hey of it--if it's a combat mechanic, then on some level the combat will be built to have players use it. Use twitch.

Can I ask everyone here what is the problem with a bit of Twitch in a roleplaying game? Twitch is timing and last time I checked timing equals strategy/skill/reaction timing.

Precasting: Confrimed I believe from this video with our new mage friend and all of her fiery glory?

[Torchlyte]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The move is TWITCH. And it's not just something they're throwing in there just for the hey of it--if it's a combat mechanic, then on some level the combat will be built to have players use it. Use twitch.

I would definitely dispute that it's a twitch ability - you are not expected to target it on the fly and it looks to enable a slew of tactical decisions. As for die rolls, the more random the game is the less compelling combat will be. Dragon Age could stand to have a lot less randomized missing.

Edit: For a reference on slow, tactical gameplay without random elements see Frozen Synapse.

Modifié par Torchlyte, 17 août 2013 - 05:35 .

[Genshie]

If precasting is back from what it looks like in the vid I only pray that rogue's stealth is back to what it use to be like. Let me kite (pull single targets from mass groups), stun as well as scout, and dot **** again like the good old days.

[Torchlyte]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The problem, i and some others would argue, is that if i can't dodge, if i'm crappy at twitch combat, my character "suffers." It's player ability where some would argue it should only be character ability.

Are you? This raises the question of whether it's an actual ability that you select. I really, REALLY doubt that is so: it is likely that it's something you have to manually do, you can't simply queue it up like you can everything else.

Time will tell. But I doubt it will be that way.

And a die roll, based on your dexterity level and the enemy's, is not random.

On the subject of dodge roll I agree, since I don't think that can be effectively implemented in a pause-queue format. That truly is a reaction-time (twitch) ability.

As for randomness, we may be crossing semantics here. All die rolls are random by definition, even if they are weighted by outside forces. Having played and enjoyed X-Com, I fully understand the principle of making certain choices to tip the odds in your favor. However, the very existence of odds (the random factor) detracts from the game's tactical elements.

[Steppenwolf]

Maria Caliban wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...
The Venatori (whoever they are) are a enemy faction.

They're a group from the Dresdon Files who try to banish the Old Ones.

I need to get back into those books. I stopped reading halfway into the fifth book and I'm not really sure why.

[TyroneTasty]

I'm not convinced until I see full on party v. party battle, a good test of a game's tactical RPG combat. So I guess I'll be waiting to see how people view the full release.

Modifié par TyroneTasty, 17 août 2013 - 05:49 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The move is TWITCH. And it's not just something they're throwing in there just for the hey of it--if it's a combat mechanic, then on some level the combat will be built to have players use it. Use twitch.

Maybe.  It's one thing to have timing-based elements, and another to require the player implement them in real-time.

If, for instance, all of these abilities can be triggered while paused (so, while paused, you can tell you character to perform a dodge-roll, just like you can tell your character to cast a spell or move to a point), then the only twitch element remaining is the ability to pause when a decision needs to be made.

That's a far lower barrier.  Needing to be able to press a single button at important moments is vastly simpler than needing to press one of many buttons at that same moment.

So, there's that.  Even with that, twitch elements are signficantly reduced.

However, what if we then add some powerful auto-pause options.  If we can set the game to auto-pause when major-attack animations start, that will not only remove the twitch element, but also remove the need for the player to be particularly observant in real-time.

Then, the player will be free to make in-character decisions without being limited by his own skills.  Does the character dodge?  There's no barrier to the player triggering the dodge command, so the only remaining barriers would be self-imposed roleplaying barriers, which is as it should be.

[Torchlyte]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fair enough.

The only other real alternative I see is to have dexterity affect, say, what percentage of damage is actually taken (and I thought that was armor's job).

Let me suggest just one alternative possiblity. What if the game took your dexterity, divided it by some other number, and used that to store a number of parry/dodge "points" for your character. If you have recently attacked or dodged, those points decrease. These wouldn't be displayed, they'd be hidden like a die roll. This would give a more realistic feel in terms of how you'd fair when starting a fight fresh, when being overwhelmed, etc.

There can be a middle ground between always hit and randomly miss - a system that is nonrandom but implements limited parrying or dodging.

Edit: Once again, the game Frozen Synapse is a great example of using nonrandom but complex rules.

Modifié par Torchlyte, 17 août 2013 - 06:06 .

[dragondreamer]

My general impression was "looks kinda slow", but I'm one of the people who actually enjoyed DA2's gameplay. That said, I also enjoyed DA:O, so I'm not ready to lay down any judgment on it based on what we've seen so far. I'm waiting to see more full party combat, I wanna see what it looks like being played through rather than simply having the moves demo'd.

But Vivienne bringing down the fire was pretty cool.

Modifié par dragondreamer, 17 août 2013 - 06:04 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The second part about an auto-pause in the midst of combat sounds highly unlikely, however.

That's something they've traditionally done.  Auto-pause when target killed.  Auto-pause when party member down.  Auto-pause when enemy sighted.

Auto-pause features are a BioWare staple.

[Steppenwolf]

Where does the notion that any twitch is the opposite of strategic come from? Quick reactions are just another layer to combat.

[Sylvius the Mad]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I mentioned the first part in a later post--it remains to be seen if it will let us do that, but I'm doubtful that it actually will. Still, I suppose I shouldn't rule it out.

You shouldn't ever rule out anything without cause.