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[SlottsMachine]

Br3ad wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

I remember when the term waifu was deemed insulting on here, people got really pissed off.

Shouldn't it still be? I'm just asking. 

I suppose if we all start taking ourselves too seriously again.  

[David7204]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Yes, but that needs to be recognized honestly for what it is. Time and effort in playing a game. It's not an exam, it's not a chore, it's not work. It's a game. An entertaining activity designed to be completed with a minimum of frustration and difficulty. 

No matter how often you copy-paste this nonsense, it's still wrong.

Games are designed to get the players into the flow state, by offering a decent amount of challenge that is not too easy that it bores the player and not too difficult that it frustrates the player.

And you think you've 'earned' something because you're in a flow state?

No. You don't. How does any of what you've said even contradict any of what I said about a game being a game?

[Br3admax]

Why don't you just turn the difficulty down to narrative and enjoy yourself then.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I choose David as my waifu.

Does anyone dare challenge me?

*takes shirt off*

I challenge you!

*pulls pants up*

B**** please I picked Davey as my waifu before it was cool.

[Steelcan]

You can have him, I am waiting for Wulfie to return

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

And you think you've 'earned' something because you're in a flow state?

Yes, I've earned my victory. More importantly, I've had fun, because being in a flow state is fun. Not being in a flow state is either boring (when the game is too easy) or frustrating (when the game is too difficult).

David7204 wrote...

How does any of what you've said even contradict any of what I said about a game being a game?

Because this:

It's not an exam, it's not a chore, it's not work. It's a game. An entertaining activity designed to be completed with a minimum of frustration and difficulty. 

is not the same as this:

Games are designed to get the players into the flow state, by offering a decent amount of challenge that is not too easy that it bores the player and not too difficult that it frustrates the player.

The way you describe video-games is wrong.

[Hazegurl]

David7204 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

It was contrived. I wouldn't call it stupid but contrived it was. Shepard could have easily worked as a Spectre in the Terminus systems. As for LotSB. That was contrived as well. They had to reboot the Liara character just to make it work.

You're very clearly in the minority. LotSB is overwhelmingly considered the best or second best DLC, particularly by fans of "the Liara character." Are you sure you know what 'contrived' means at all? Because I would think someone who does would think twice before condeming Lazarus and then going right on to say Shepard dissappering for no reason to be a Spectre for two years is a good idea.

Yes I do know what it means, which is why I agree that it was contrived in the first place. Shepard gets toasted in the atomsphere and killed, his body passed around like a souviner then rescued by a gun toting Liara who passes it to a terrorist organization known for experimenting on husks adnd brought back to life to work for Cerberus.  He's a council spectre and elite member of the allanice yet no one bothers to offer him a plan to operate in the Terminus systems and take down a threat to humanity thus getting rid of Cerberus. Yet the alliance is already sending ppl to the Terminus systems.  

Shepard doesn't have to disappear to be a Spectre, he became one in ME1. Spectres are above the law. He could have taken the Normandy, which was pretty much his anyway and booted off the allaince crew and build up his own (thus the ppl for the suicde mission). Miranda and Jacob could have been Cerberus spies or Shepard could have made a deal with TIM for info on The collectors, or better yet get his info from Liara who still could have been an info broker. The story still could have been told without the Lazarus project. The fact that you claim the Lazarus project is there for the LotSB plot makes it even more contrived. You may have liked the Liara content but it doesn't change the fact that the character was changed drastically just to make it work. Actually, with my idea Liara fans could have actually had her in the entire game instead of in a DLC.

[David7204]

And that's great. I'm glad you're able to experience such things. But guess what? Shepard does not get a better story because you went through Grissom Academy on insanity and had a blast compared to the guy who did it on Casual. Shepard does not save a bunch of kids on insanity and have them all die on casual because you're a better video game player. The consquences in the story are the same.

Modifié par David7204, 18 août 2013 - 09:50 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I think I need to repost the thread I made concerning this topic considering the importance of it and the response I'm getting here.

There's alot of threads you said you'd make regarding some of the arguments you had but never made them

[Nightwriter]

J. Reezy wrote...

Shut up you! Miranda is so Tsundere!

I tend to like tsundere. That's stuff like Han/Leia right? First there's friction and coldness, then it warms over time? Yeah that's good.

Miranda was horrible tsundere though. She has less of a melting arc and more of a melting flip switch...

Modifié par Nightwriter, 18 août 2013 - 09:50 .

[MegaSovereign]

David7204 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yes, but that has more to do with the fact that it's inherently boring. It does not mean that developers should avoid game design that rewards players who put more time and effort into their playthroughs.

Yes, but that needs to be recognized honestly for what it is. Time and effort in playing a game. It's not an exam, it's not a chore, it's not work. It's a game. An entertaining activity designed to be completed with a minimum of frustration and difficulty.

Side missions are not meant to be chores that frustrate players. I certainly did playthrough Grissom Academy because I was expecting to enjoy the mission.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

J. Reezy wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

I remember when the term waifu was deemed insulting on here, people got really pissed off.

I remember the guy who used it perfectly for Tali (no offense to Tali-mancers but this was funny as ****)

I think it was Arcian. Anyway:

She is the western version of a Japanese waifu.

"Oh please, Shepard-kun, save my people and I will make love to yooouuuuuu ~uguu!!!11 "

Shut up you! Miranda is so Tsundere!

And it's glorious! Tsundere type women are what I go for!

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 août 2013 - 09:53 .

[The Heretic of Time]

J. Reezy wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

I remember when the term waifu was deemed insulting on here, people got really pissed off.

I remember the guy who used it perfectly for Tali (no offense to Tali-mancers but this was funny as ****)

I think it was Arcian. Anyway:

She is the western version of a Japanese waifu.

"Oh please, Shepard-kun, save my people and I will make love to yooouuuuuu ~uguu!!!11 "

Shut up you! Miranda is so Tsundere!

Liara is clearly a western take on the shy virgin Japanese schoolgirl trope.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 août 2013 - 09:51 .

[David7204]

Yes, that's precisely the point. Content in a game is not mean to be a chore that frustrates players. It's meant to be a game. And should be a game. It's meant to be doable with a minimum of determination and skill and intelligence. Most games, anyway.

Since determination and skill and intelligence are negligable factors, they can't be used to 'earn' good outcomes in video game stories.

Modifié par David7204, 18 août 2013 - 09:54 .

[LiL Reapur]

I'm confused here.....

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@Admiral.....

So if I save Kaidan, and Kaidan witnesses the conversation with Sovereign he's heroic enough for the evidence to be good. Fine. Then we're in the clear. Ash got blown up with the bomb.

In the interest of consistency with the earlier legal precedent set by the Council's acceptance Tali's evidence on Saren and Benezia as "irrefutable", if the written in derps didn't take place the recorded evidence would have also been "irrefutable" if it had been delivered by Liara or Kaidan.

The problem is then solved for ME2. The Council can no longer deny the Reaper threat and the galaxy has to begin preparations. Higher taxes for the populace. and they can whine all they want. Quarians get a place to live and all the politics go aside. We've got to prepare for war, and we need their technical expertise. The birds have a not so heavily populated world the quarians can settle on at least for now. Stop derping and start building.

Sorry Davey. I win.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Nightwriter wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Shut up you! Miranda is so Tsundere!

I tend to like tsundere. That's stuff like Han/Leia right? First there's friction and coldness, then it warms over time? Yeah that's good.

Miranda was horrible tsundere though. She has less of a melting arc and more of a melting flip switch...

The concept definitely is there, although it was rushed through the game.

All the best romance are the tsundere in my opinion.

Shepard and Miranda

Dexter and Hannah

Revan and Bastila

Cyclops and Emma 

Chuck and Sarah

Luke and Mara... especially this one.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 août 2013 - 10:04 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, that's precisely the point. Content in a game is not mean to be a chore that frustrates players. It's meant to be a game. And should be a game.

But a game is  supposed to be challenging, not something that can be completed with the minimal amount of effort like you said. That's just wrong and not true.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@Admiral.....

So if I save Kaidan, and Kaidan witnesses the conversation with Sovereign he's heroic enough for the evidence to be good. Fine. Then we're in the clear. Ash got blown up with the bomb.

In the interest of consistency with the earlier legal precedent set by the Council's acceptance Tali's evidence on Saren and Benezia as "irrefutable", if the written in derps didn't take place the recorded evidence would have also been "irrefutable" if it had been delivered by Liara or Kaidan.

The problem is then solved for ME2. The Council can no longer deny the Reaper threat and the galaxy has to begin preparations. Higher taxes for the populace. and they can whine all they want. Quarians get a place to live and all the politics go aside. We've got to prepare for war, and we need their technical expertise. The birds have a not so heavily populated world the quarians can settle on at least for now. Stop derping and start building.

Sorry Davey. I win.

Exactly!

This human understands everything!

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, that's precisely the point. Content in a game is not mean to be a chore that frustrates players. It's meant to be a game. And should be a game.

David, I have been getting frustrated with games since the '80s.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

And that's great. I'm glad you're able to experience such things. But guess what? Shepard does not get a better story because you went through Grissom Academy on insanity and had a blast compared to the guy who did it on Casual. Shepard does not save a bunch of kids on insanity and have them all die on casual because you're a better video game player. The consquences in the story are the same.

So? That's called gameplay & story segregation.

What's your point? Are you even trying to make a point, or is this just typical David nonsense that I should have ignored?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...



Luke and Mara... especially this one.

Sh-shut up stupid jedi! I'm just helping you because Thrawn pissed me off! I-Its not like I like you or anything!