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[The Heretic of Time]

Hazegurl wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
If you don't care about gameplay at all and simply are in it for the story, than that's fine, but if that's the case then just admit it.

There is no shame in admitting that you're really only in it for the story. I know plenty of people like that. I however, am not one of them. I play games because I like the challenge and I like to be in the state of flow.

I am one of those people and I gladly admit it. I love the stories in games and is really more interested in getting to the next part. so I set my levels on easy and have a blast. However, mindless game play isn't fun either, I still want to use my brains to make the right choices and get the job done.

In which case that means you're a casual gamer and a lower difficulty is capable of getting you in your state of flow.

You said you still like the be challenged despite you're more in it for the story than the gameplay, which I find interesting as a game-designer. It shows that despite you being a casual player who is in it for the story, flow is still important to you. If you're not in the flow, then the gameplay becomes boring for you.

This is interesting. I'm going to write this down. Thanks for your reply.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 août 2013 - 10:21 .

[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.

In ME2 Tali picks up the shy nerdy virgin torch after Liara's personality transplant.

However both are far better than DA2's panderlicious Merrill.

So... what exactly is wrong with shy, nerdy virgins?

A lot. They're shyness (from lack of confidence) is off-putting. Nerdy is an undesirable trait in women when it's taken to the extreme. Virgins are... well... virgins. I don't care much, but I prefer someone who is experienced and confident.

It comes off as pathetic if you ask me. I need a real woman.

Only romance Tali to side with the Geth. It is the only way.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hazegurl wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
If you don't care about gameplay at all and simply are in it for the story, than that's fine, but if that's the case then just admit it.

There is no shame in admitting that you're really only in it for the story. I know plenty of people like that. I however, am not one of them. I play games because I like the challenge and I like to be in the state of flow.

I am one of those people and I gladly admit it. I love the stories in games and is really more interested in getting to the next part. so I set my levels on easy and have a blast. However, mindless game play isn't fun either, I still want to use my brains to make the right choices and get the job done.

I like it both ways. 

I want a game that is highly challenging and keeps you interested in the game. I would like there to be more rewards, like Halo for example, for playing on higher difficulties.

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.

In ME2 Tali picks up the shy nerdy virgin torch after Liara's personality transplant.

However both are far better than DA2's panderlicious Merrill.

So... what exactly is wrong with shy, nerdy virgins?

A lot. They're shyness (from lack of confidence) is off-putting. Nerdy is an undesirable trait in women when it's taken to the extreme. Virgins are... well... virgins. I don't care much, but I prefer someone who is experienced and confident.

It comes off as pathetic if you ask me. I need a real woman.

I said what's wrong, not what doesn't match your taste.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Do you believe the charm and intimidate options in Mass Effect are an 'easy win button'? That they render the choice meaningless because you can 'solve the conflict with a button press'?

They are, being able to solve the conflict shouldn't be determined by the Red or Blue dialogue choices

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.

In ME2 Tali picks up the shy nerdy virgin torch after Liara's personality transplant.

However both are far better than DA2's panderlicious Merrill.

So... what exactly is wrong with shy, nerdy virgins?

A lot. They're shyness (from lack of confidence) is off-putting. Nerdy is an undesirable trait in women when it's taken to the extreme. Virgins are... well... virgins. I don't care much, but I prefer someone who is experienced and confident.

It comes off as pathetic if you ask me. I need a real woman.

Only romance Tali to side with the Geth. It is the only way.

Troll level: Master Expert.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.

In ME2 Tali picks up the shy nerdy virgin torch after Liara's personality transplant.

However both are far better than DA2's panderlicious Merrill.

So... what exactly is wrong with shy, nerdy virgins?

A lot. They're shyness (from lack of confidence) is off-putting. Nerdy is an undesirable trait in women when it's taken to the extreme. Virgins are... well... virgins. I don't care much, but I prefer someone who is experienced and confident.

It comes off as pathetic if you ask me. I need a real woman.

I said what's wrong, not what doesn't match your taste.

That is wrong. Hence why it doesn't match my taste.

[jtav]

Merrill's actually a pretty decent LI. She doesn;t sound like she just got done with Twilight for one.

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.

In ME2 Tali picks up the shy nerdy virgin torch after Liara's personality transplant.

However both are far better than DA2's panderlicious Merrill.

So... what exactly is wrong with shy, nerdy virgins?

A lot. They're shyness (from lack of confidence) is off-putting. Nerdy is an undesirable trait in women when it's taken to the extreme. Virgins are... well... virgins. I don't care much, but I prefer someone who is experienced and confident.

It comes off as pathetic if you ask me. I need a real woman.

I said what's wrong, not what doesn't match your taste.

That is wrong. Hence why it doesn't match my taste.

I don't see anything wrong there.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Do you believe the charm and intimidate options in Mass Effect are an 'easy win button'? That they render the choice meaningless because you can 'solve the conflict with a button press'?

Yes and no.

They're an easy win button because they clearly do give us a better (if not the best) outcome in a given situation and it takes absolutely no skill or intelligence to know this. It basically asks the player to meta-game, instead of using his intelligence to find the best solution himself.

However, they're easy win buttons that you have to EARN. You don't get these easy win buttons pro bono. In ME1 you have to spend enough points in your Charm or Intimidate skills to unlock these easy win buttons. In ME2 you have to stay consistent in your playstyle to earn enough paragon/renegade points to unlock these easy win buttons.


So yes, they're easy win buttons, but they don't come for free, they have to be earned (even though earning them is ******-easy and doesn't take a lot of challenge).

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 août 2013 - 10:26 .

[David7204]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Do you believe the charm and intimidate options in Mass Effect are an 'easy win button'? That they render the choice meaningless because you can 'solve the conflict with a button press'?

They are, being able to solve the conflict shouldn't be determined by the Red or Blue dialogue choices

Was it not 'earned'? Did you not 'earn' that success by choosing Paragon options? Did you not 'earn' it through putting points into the intimidate stat?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.

In ME2 Tali picks up the shy nerdy virgin torch after Liara's personality transplant.

However both are far better than DA2's panderlicious Merrill.

So... what exactly is wrong with shy, nerdy virgins?

A lot. They're shyness (from lack of confidence) is off-putting. Nerdy is an undesirable trait in women when it's taken to the extreme. Virgins are... well... virgins. I don't care much, but I prefer someone who is experienced and confident.

It comes off as pathetic if you ask me. I need a real woman.

I said what's wrong, not what doesn't match your taste.

That is wrong. Hence why it doesn't match my taste.

I don't see anything wrong there.

Good for you. I do.

[Hazegurl]

David7204 wrote...

That's great. I hope you enjoy yourself. I hope everyone gets to play a difficulty that satisfies them.

However, you still don't 'earn' the success of the story and characters by playing the game on a higher difficulty. The person playing on a far lower difficulty still gets the exact same story and the exact same degree of success for the characters as you do.

What is your point? Everyone knows that gameplay and story are two different things. it's not like you can bring the wrong squadmate or make a crappy call that leads to the permenant death of teammates and a changed storyline. What people get for playing on a higher difficulty is the satisfaction of playing a tougher game. They have to make better decisions when heading out for their missions or the mission would suck or be too hard to finish. In a sense, playing on insanity would probably match what Shepard's "real" missions would be like and why everyone worships him in the story. If one would look at it from a story pov, a shepard on insanity makes more sense for the storyline than a shepard on narrative who can breeze through a fight with reaper monsters with minimal effort. 

[David7204]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yes and no.

However, they're easy win buttons that you have to EARN. You don't get these easy win buttons pro bono. In ME1 you have to spend enough points in your Charm or Intimidate skills to unlock these easy win buttons. In ME2 you have to stay consistent in your playstyle to earn enough paragon/renegade points to unlock these easy win buttons.

So yes, they're easy win buttons, but they don't come for free, they have to be earned.

So they're easy win buttons that aren't actually easy win buttons because they have to be earned?

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Do you believe the charm and intimidate options in Mass Effect are an 'easy win button'? That they render the choice meaningless because you can 'solve the conflict with a button press'?

They are, being able to solve the conflict shouldn't be determined by the Red or Blue dialogue choices

Was it not 'earned'? Did you not 'earn' that success by choosing Paragon options? Did you not 'earn' it through putting points into the intimidate stat?

Yes you do earn it, but it's still an east win button

DX:HR handled it better

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yes and no.

However, they're easy win buttons that you have to EARN. You don't get these easy win buttons pro bono. In ME1 you have to spend enough points in your Charm or Intimidate skills to unlock these easy win buttons. In ME2 you have to stay consistent in your playstyle to earn enough paragon/renegade points to unlock these easy win buttons.

So yes, they're easy win buttons, but they don't come for free, they have to be earned.

So they're easy win buttons that aren't actually easy win buttons because they have to be earned?

They are easy win buttons, they're simply not given away for free (though in ME3 they practically are).

[Br3admax]

jtav wrote...

Merrill's actually a pretty decent LI. She doesn;t sound like she just got done with Twilight for one.

Listen to her talk to Avaliene, if you choose to use her for some reason. They all start hitting on you right away. Hawke suffers from the BioWare curse. 

[David7204]

You can have a function that's simoultaniously an easy win button and something that has to be earned. 'Easy win button' is something that requires no effort or thought.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David is changing his meanings now and stringing you around. He's already trying to overgeneralize other arguments and dismiss it as ridiculous because he thinks it's ridiculous.

But he forgets that he's not an authority on this matter and that nobody really has shown any agreement with him. His reasons haven't been excepted as valid, therefore his opinion is denied validation.

[Hazegurl]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
If you don't care about gameplay at all and simply are in it for the story, than that's fine, but if that's the case then just admit it.

There is no shame in admitting that you're really only in it for the story. I know plenty of people like that. I however, am not one of them. I play games because I like the challenge and I like to be in the state of flow.

I am one of those people and I gladly admit it. I love the stories in games and is really more interested in getting to the next part. so I set my levels on easy and have a blast. However, mindless game play isn't fun either, I still want to use my brains to make the right choices and get the job done.

In which case that means you're a casual gamer and a lower difficulty is capable of getting you in your state of flow.

You said you still like the be challenged despite you're more in it for the story than the gameplay, which I find interesting as a game-designer. It shows that despite you being a casual player who is in it for the story, flow is still important to you. If you're not in the flow, then the gameplay becomes boring for you.

This is interesting. I'm going to write this down. Thanks for your reply.

No prob.

[jtav]

About gameplay, I think catering to a wide variety of ability levels is good. I do not have good twitch skills. All the practice in the world won't give me good twitch skills because it stems from a motor impairment. I do want to be challenged, but I'm also profoundly grateful I can play ME3 without getting a handcramp.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

You can have a function that's simoultaniously an easy win button and something that has to be earned. 'Easy win button' is something that requires no effort or thought.

Euhm yeah, that's exactly what I said. Is there any point to this?

[nos_astra]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Do you believe the charm and intimidate options in Mass Effect are an 'easy win button'? That they render the choice meaningless because you can 'solve the conflict with a button press'?

They are, being able to solve the conflict shouldn't be determined by the Red or Blue dialogue choices.

Exactly.

Getting what you want by either spouting badass-sounding crap or holier-than-thou-sounding crap isn't challenging.

The Council should not respond well to recklessness and the equivalent of teenage rebellion.
The krogan shouldn't be swayed by carefully chosen words of comfort and pity.

Too bad everyone does what you want anyway. Sometimes peoples get killed but no one really cares and everyone keeps fawning about how awesome you are.