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[AresKeith]

David play DA and Deus Ex: HR

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Could you explain to me why earning skills in persuation and then using it to resolve a conflict is an 'auto win button,' but earning other skills and using them to resolve a conflict isn't?

Earning exp and spending points in the persuation skill isn't an auto-win button.

the blue and red dialogue options in Mass Effect are auto-win buttons.

There is a difference. What the red and blue dialogue options do in Mass Effect is what makes them auto-win buttons, not how you earn them.

Not to mention that earning these dialogue options is relatively easy, though I liked how it was done in Mass Effect 1. You had to sacrifice combat skills in order to unlock the auto-win buttons. It was a nice trade-off.

In ME2 and ME3 you simply had to stick to your guns and you automatically unlocked the auto-win buttons. There is really no fun in that.

[David7204]

klarabella wrote...

David7204 wrote...
Could you explain to me why earning skills in persuation and then using it to resolve a conflict is an 'auto win button,' but earning other skills and using them to resolve a conflict isn't?

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial or at least disconnected.

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial.

Thank you klarabella for that moment of insight.

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial.

Now who in this thread has been saying something that sounds like that in the previous few pages? And who in this thread disagreed vehemently when that person said it?

Modifié par David7204, 18 août 2013 - 10:56 .

[Br3admax]

Have you played DA yet? Talk to us when you have.

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

You don't need an illusion to appreciate a story and a game. In fact, quite the opposite. You'll appreciate them more without them.

Wrong.

Without this "illusion", there is no suspension of disbelief. Without suspension of disbelief, games are not fun or engaging.

David7204 wrote...
Shepard is not a hero because you pressed the right buttons. Because you 'earned' anything. S/he's a hero because s/he's a hero. Because that's who s/he is.

Wrong (well, half-wrong really).

Shepard is a hero, yes, but what kind of hero and the extent of his succes rests on the shoulders of the player. The player determines what kind of hero Shepard is and how succesful he is.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

David7204 wrote...
Could you explain to me why earning skills in persuation and then using it to resolve a conflict is an 'auto win button,' but earning other skills and using them to resolve a conflict isn't?

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial or at least disconnected.

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial.

Thank you klarabella for that moment of insight.

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial.

Now who in this thread has been saying something that sounds like that in the previous few pages? And who in this thread disagreed vehemently when that person said it?

Umad bro? lol

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Because what you had to do to earn them was trivial.

Now who in this thread has been saying something that sounds like that in the previous few pages?

Us (meaning everyone in this thread except for you).

David7204 wrote...

And who in this thread disagreed vehemently when that person said it?

You.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 août 2013 - 11:00 .

[Hazegurl]

klarabella wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Do you believe the charm and intimidate options in Mass Effect are an 'easy win button'? That they render the choice meaningless because you can 'solve the conflict with a button press'?

They are, being able to solve the conflict shouldn't be determined by the Red or Blue dialogue choices.

Exactly.

Getting what you want by either spouting badass-sounding crap or holier-than-thou-sounding crap isn't challenging.

The Council should not respond well to recklessness and the equivalent of teenage rebellion.
The krogan shouldn't be swayed by carefully chosen words of comfort and pity.

Too bad everyone does what you want anyway. Sometimes peoples get killed but no one really cares and everyone keeps fawning about how awesome you are.

I agree. I don't mind the renegade/paragon personalities but they should not "win the day". I wish BW took more time into developing how a player can resolve an issue if it can be resolved at all. It would have been nice to at least have more consequences for your actions whether they are "good" or "bad".

[nos_astra]

David7204 wrote...
Shepard is not a hero because you pressed the right buttons. Because you 'earned' anything. S/he's a hero because s/he's a hero. Because that's who s/he is.

But that's not how good writing works.

You can't just declare the protagonist a hero and have the universe accept it. You need to create the illusion that Shepard deserves this status and that the player has had a part in this. When all you have to do is pew pew everthing to death and move down narrow corridors to meet plot point #14 where you'll be offered the choice whether species #547 is going to live or die ... this can be a challenge to someone's ability to suspend their disbelief.

[Nightwriter]

David7204 wrote...

You don't need an illusion to appreciate a story and a game. In fact, quite the opposite. You'll appreciate them more without them.

Shepard is not a hero because you pressed the right buttons. Because you 'earned' anything. S/he's a hero because s/he's a hero. Because that's who s/he is.

The same with any character in any fiction.

You're right, it was a mistake to converse with you in Sane-ese. Allow me to switch to Insane-ese.

You DO need an illusion because the Pope has lumbago. You are a vile and immoral sanitarium because you f*cking divided the friendly fire for her and now the pot is a triangle. You didn't "smoke" the truth because the pasta is the pasta, to the power of zero. THAT'S who Madonna/Fonzie is.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nightwriter wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You don't need an illusion to appreciate a story and a game. In fact, quite the opposite. You'll appreciate them more without them.

Shepard is not a hero because you pressed the right buttons. Because you 'earned' anything. S/he's a hero because s/he's a hero. Because that's who s/he is.

The same with any character in any fiction.

You're right, it was a mistake to converse with you in Sane-ese. Allow me to switch to Insane-ese.

You DO need an illusion because the Pope has lumbago. You are a vile and immoral sanitarium because you f*cking divided the friendly fire for her and now the pot is a triangle. You didn't "smoke" the truth because the pasta is the pasta, to the power of zero. THAT'S who Madonna/Fonzie is.

That made perfect sense.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Holy shit.

David just pissed off Nightwriter.

I legit did not think that was possible.

[Br3admax]

Can we go back to talking about waifus?

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Holy shit.

David just pissed off Nightwriter.

I legit did not think that was possible.

The heretic

[Steelcan]

David broke BSN

[Jorji Costava]

Nightwriter wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You don't need an illusion to appreciate a story and a game. In fact, quite the opposite. You'll appreciate them more without them.

Shepard is not a hero because you pressed the right buttons. Because you 'earned' anything. S/he's a hero because s/he's a hero. Because that's who s/he is.

The same with any character in any fiction.

You're right, it was a mistake to converse with you in Sane-ese. Allow me to switch to Insane-ese.

You DO need an illusion because the Pope has lumbago. You are a vile and immoral sanitarium because you f*cking divided the friendly fire for her and now the pot is a triangle. You didn't "smoke" the truth because the pasta is the pasta, to the power of zero. THAT'S who Madonna/Fonzie is.

Anyone else reminded of the Orz from Star Control 2?

"This is my *house*. Do you want to know a *secret*? Do not *think* it too *not campers*. You are so many *lonely* *juicy* *bubbles*. It is so sad. Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. This is the *secret*."

[Hazegurl]

David7204 wrote...

You don't need an illusion to appreciate a story and a game. In fact, quite the opposite. You'll appreciate them more without them.

Shepard is not a hero because you pressed the right buttons. Because you 'earned' anything. S/he's a hero because s/he's a hero. Because that's who s/he is.

The same with any character in any fiction.

I disagree, it's hard to view a Shepard who makes stupid choices as a smart and capable soldier and hero simply because everyone in the story tells him he is.  I committed genocide more than once and I personally considered my Shepard to be a ruthless sob who would kill Hackett and Anderson if he could benefit from it. Yet everyone thought he was the best man ever born.

[Seboist]

Shepard's a dim witted inept buffoon who gets by on sheer luck and the incompetence of his enemies.

This is the same guy who compared the genophage to the FCW and orders a thannix armed SR-2 to engage the collector ship at close range.

[Br3admax]

That shows incompetence on Shepard's part. Guess he wasn't a hero after all.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

Can we go back to talking about waifus?

.... Lets!

Here is why I like Miranda. 

And this thread links to personality types.


This can't get any weirder, so I feel safe posting this.

[Nightwriter]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

This can't get any weirder, so I feel safe posting this.

That sounds like a challenge.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 18 août 2013 - 11:26 .