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[Seboist]

Ravensword wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

It was pretty dumb. They could've restrained him too. The whole shooting of Wilson was just the writers trying to showcase Miranda as being cold.

All Shep and Miranda would have found out is that Wilson did that out of petty schoolyard jealousy.

[jtav]

And then they spend the game trying to thaw Miranda out. Grr.

[Xilizhra]

Ravensword wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

It was pretty dumb. They could've restrained him too. The whole shooting of Wilson was just the writers trying to showcase Miranda as being cold.

They were a tad ostentatious about it too, with not one, but two one-liners about Wilson getting shot and Miranda giving an aside glance to the body: "Not anymore," and "Probably a little too soon, if you ask Wilson."

And then they spend the game trying to thaw Miranda out. Grr.

Well, it wasn't the best first impression. Especially when she later says "I'd have gladly mind controlled your worthless ass into submission."

Modifié par Xilizhra, 18 août 2013 - 11:57 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Ravensword wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

It was pretty dumb. They could've restrained him too. The whole shooting of Wilson was just the writers trying to showcase Miranda as being cold.

Worked wonders in my opinion. There was no reason for Wilson to be kept alive in my opinion.

[Ravensword]

Nightwriter wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

There was really nothing of value that he could say. We knew he engineered this plot, and we know why he did it. There's really no reason to keep him. He was an obvious traitor from the onset.

Actually, why he did it was barely given any attention and for months after ME2's release there were "why did Wilson do that?" and "what was the purpose of the Lazarus attack?" threads on the BSN. After Lazarus Station I myself was pretty confused because there was almost no reflection on it whatsoever. It really did just seem like a token tutorial combat level quickly swept under the rug as unimportant. Like much that had to do with Lazarus, really.

Kind of like how there was no reflection whatsoever on the Lazarus Project, Shepard's death and resurrection, as well as Shepard reflecting on being brought back from the dead. I also like how when Shepard is reunited w/ Joker, Shepard seems to feel like it's actually been two years, when in actuality it would've been two hours for Shepard. LP was just a one-off, throwaway plot device.

[Nightwriter]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

There was really nothing of value that he could say. We knew he engineered this plot, and we know why he did it. There's really no reason to keep him. He was an obvious traitor from the onset.

Actually, why he did it was barely given any attention and for months after ME2's release there were "why did Wilson do that?" and "what was the purpose of the Lazarus attack?" threads on the BSN. After Lazarus Station I myself was pretty confused because there was almost no reflection on it whatsoever. It really did just seem like a token tutorial combat level quickly swept under the rug as unimportant. Like much that had to do with Lazarus, really.

I took at as extreme form of employee disgruntlement. Not really all that surprising to me.

Wilson was taking a serious risk. Threatening the Illusive Man's power base and incurring his wrath is dangerous, and I'm sure Wilson knew it. It would be foolish not to ask what he had to gain from sticking his neck out that much, especially considering he struck me as someone who's out for himself and his own preservation and advancement. "He was just having a tantrum" seems a meager explanation. Far more likely he's appealing to an alternate power and getting his revenge that way. What is that power? What does it want? Why is it interested in Shepard? Important questions that were neither acknowledged or answered because Lazarus just wasn't important.

Don't get me wrong -- I like Miranda. But I file her shooting of Wilson under "uncharacteristically impractical," right after her catsuit and heels.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 19 août 2013 - 12:07 .

[Ravensword]

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

It was pretty dumb. They could've restrained him too. The whole shooting of Wilson was just the writers trying to showcase Miranda as being cold.

All Shep and Miranda would have found out is that Wilson did that out of petty schoolyard jealousy.

True, but they didn't know about it at the time. Had they brought Wilson back, they would've found out that he was an agent of the SB as well.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it wasn't the best first impression. Especially when she later says "I'd have gladly mind controlled your worthless ass into submission."

Pot, kettle

[Nightwriter]

Ravensword wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I was pretty irritated with her. It was a stupid move. We could have mined him for information, yet she chose to destroy that information source because Wilson supposedly still posed a threat to Shepard, which was pretty laughable. Take his weapon away and he's just an injured gimp surrounded by three (in my case) powerful biotics. Could have been restrained and questioned.

There was really nothing of value that he could say. We knew he engineered this plot, and we know why he did it. There's really no reason to keep him. He was an obvious traitor from the onset.

Actually, why he did it was barely given any attention and for months after ME2's release there were "why did Wilson do that?" and "what was the purpose of the Lazarus attack?" threads on the BSN. After Lazarus Station I myself was pretty confused because there was almost no reflection on it whatsoever. It really did just seem like a token tutorial combat level quickly swept under the rug as unimportant. Like much that had to do with Lazarus, really.

Kind of like how there was no reflection whatsoever on the Lazarus Project, Shepard's death and resurrection, as well as Shepard reflecting on being brought back from the dead. I also like how when Shepard is reunited w/ Joker, Shepard seems to feel like it's actually been two years, when in actuality it would've been two hours for Shepard. LP was just a one-off, throwaway plot device.

I know, and that was almost painful for me because there was just so much potential there.

[David7204]

I very seriously doubt that. Shepard moaning to himself or herself over whether she's 'real' or not?

Not would would it be character derailment considering Shepard's personality, it would likely be immensely clumsy and boring. Why? Because the answer is staring us in the face. Shepard is clearly the same person s/he was before Lazarus. So I seriously doubt characters going slack-jawed over a supposedly deep question would be anywhere near as clever as people seem yo think.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 12:18 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I very seriously doubt that. Shepard moaning to himself or herself over whether she's real or not?

Making random posts to gain attention huh

[Ravensword]

And our hero David arrives. 

Morocco Mole wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I very seriously doubt that. Shepard moaning to himself or herself over whether she's real or not?

better than bringing him to life and then never addressing it again.

that's just bad story telling, my friend

Bah! You just don't understand true heroism.

[Seboist]

Ravensword wrote...

And our hero David arrives. 

Morocco Mole wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I very seriously doubt that. Shepard moaning to himself or herself over whether she's real or not?

better than bringing him to life and then never addressing it again.

that's just bad story telling, my friend

Bah! You just don't understand true heroism.

A true hero comes back from the dead and acts like he just woke up from a nap!

[Nightwriter]

David7204 wrote...

I very seriously doubt that. Shepard moaning to himself or herself over whether she's 'real' or not?

Not would would it be character derailment considering Shepard's personality, it would likely be immensely clumsy and boring. Why? Because the answer is staring us in the face. Shepard is clearly the same person s/he was before Lazarus. So I seriously doubt characters going slack-jawed over a supposed deep question would be anywhere near as clever as people seem ot think.

Oh my God, no, urinals will NEVER have backpacks no matter what their faith is. You need to DEAL with it David. You need to DEAL WITH IT. Oh my God. And get your pants off meth. Get them OFF. We are so tired of it, David, of your pants. They come straight to us for drug money, do you think we like that, and what are you doing while we're helping them through the DT's, out at the casino I expect. Meth is a worldwide problem and your pants need HELP they are hanging with the wrong crowd and sleeping on the street. Put them through a good college we said but did you listen NO we are so tired of your sh*t, your pants are out of control we are thinking of putting them in an institution even do you think that is easy for us? But will you help pay for it, no, it’ll have to be all us when will you accept RESPONSIBILITY. We asked your pants just yesterday what day it was and they said they said they didn’t know. Well done David. WELL DONE. These are the pants you’ve raised.

[David7204]

You know, I'm curious. Why is it that people whine continually about this in regards to Lazarus, but forget it entirely for everything else?

Shepard doesn't drone on about stopping Saren...
Shepard doesn't drone on about stopping the Collectors...
Shepard doesn't drone on about being the first human Spectre...
Shepard doesn't drone on about becoming Captain of the Normandy...
Shepard doesn't drone on about nuking Virmire...
Shepard doesn't drone on about finding a living Prothean...
Shepard doesn't drone on about replacing the Shadow Broker...
Shepard doesn't drone on about killing Vasir...
Shepard doesn't drone on about about finding and recruiting a friendly geth...
Shepard doesn't drone on about curing the genophage...
Shepard doesn't drone on about retaking Omega...
Shepard doesn't drone on about finding the Leviathans...

And all that's perfectly okay, right?

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 12:29 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I very seriously doubt that. Shepard moaning to himself or herself over whether she's 'real' or not?

Not would would it be character derailment considering Shepard's personality, it would likely be immensely clumsy and boring. Why? Because the answer is staring us in the face. Shepard is clearly the same person s/he was before Lazarus. So I seriously doubt characters going slack-jawed over a supposedly deep question would be anywhere near as clever as people seem yo think.

My you just love to express your opinion and deride others for having theirs don't you.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I like it when Davey uses the word drone.

It suits him.

[David7204]

Several of those are not brought up at all. More than several. But I never hear complaints about them. Why is that, exactly?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

You know, I'm curious. Why is it that people whine continually about this in regards to Lazarus, but forget it entirely for everything else?

Shepard doesn't drone on about stopping Saren.

Yes he does. What's your point?

Shepard doesn't drone on about stopping the Collectors.

Yes he does. What's your point?

Shepard doesn't drone on about being the first human Spectre.

Yes he does in the beginning. This isn't really important and is not a valid point. What's your point?

Shepard doesn't drone on about becoming Captain of the Normandy.

Read the above. What's your point?

Shepard doesn't drone on about nuking Virmire.

Irrelevant point. What's your point?

Shepard doesn't drone on about finding a living Prothean.

Yes he does. What's your point?

Shepard doesn't done on about replacing the Shadow Broker...

Seeing as how bad the new one is, he should. What's your point?

[o Ventus]

Ravensword wrote...

True, but they didn't know about it at the time. Had they brought Wilson back, they would've found out that he was an agent of the SB as well.

Judging by the audio diaries Wilson left, I'd say Miranda at least had a suspicion that he was shady. I don't think they would have ever found out he was a Shadow Broker agent though.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Several of those are not brought up at all. More than several. But I never hear complaints about them. Why is that, exactly?

Because they really aren't as big of a deal as you're artificially making them out to be for the purpose of defending a long discredited argument that is also ever changing, which serves to further discredit your argument.