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They should have dropped the Reaper plot


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#977
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J. Reezy wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I meant how the Reapers could have been executed better.

But... that's an essay question.

And you'd just shoot down everything I said anyway.


Who cares what he thinks, tell everyone else.

Tell me how you felt about the Reapers first.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 19 août 2013 - 05:43 .


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StreetMagic wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Well fun as the David roast is , I think that the reaper plot is an inextricable component of the Mass Effect story. The trilogy would likely have suffered even more without it.


I feel that Mass Effect could've worked as the separate games with Shepard


I think just the general idea of a triple A sci-fi Bioware RPG is a good idea, period. The plot never mattered all that much. The setting does.


The Reaper Plot could've worked really, if it was properly planned

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Hey how long is every one ganna talk about david if u don't like him thin why don't u stop posting about him, Damn crazy stalkers. Lol.

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The general consensus is that the Reapers as ancient space gods where over-powered, which wrecked the narrative right there. I tend to think that the Reapers potential vulnerability was more open ended than that, we really didn't no much about them other than they presumably have a significant power source within themselves.

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David7204 wrote...

Massively, when good things exist in this world, it's because people like me make them. I can assure you people care immensely about my standards. Because they're right. And they'd be right whether I believed in them or not.


wat

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jhon shepard.4 wrote...

Hey how long is every one ganna talk about david if u don't like him thin why don't u stop posting about him, Damn crazy stalkers. Lol.


Not stalking.
Just watching.

Always.

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I have confidence the Reapers could have been defeated with hard science and tactics, meaningful action on behalf of Shepard, and choices that matter. With a both a conventional and nonconventional victory on the table, and without significant changes to the Reapers or galaxy. 

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 05:35 .


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The problem is that ME1 basically establishes that more must happen with the reapers. In order to properly drop the plot, the original game must not have a reaper-related sequel hook. It's this hook that makes the plot a necessity. Ignoring it entirely for two more games gallivanting across the galaxy to go on other adventures in fully self contained stories would leave a vacuum where the promised plot should have been.

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David7204 wrote...

I have confidence the Reapers could have been defeated with hard science and tactics, meaningful action on behalf of Shepard, and choices that matter. With a both a conventional and nonconventional victory on the table, and without significant changes to the Reapers or galaxy. 


Define meaningful?

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Galactic Cannibalism wrote...

jhon shepard.4 wrote...

Hey how long is every one ganna talk about david if u don't like him thin why don't u stop posting about him, Damn crazy stalkers. Lol.


Not stalking.
Just watching.

Always.


Davy, was that your alt. 

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o Ventus wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Massively, when good things exist in this world, it's because people like me make them. I can assure you people care immensely about my standards. Because they're right. And they'd be right whether I believed in them or not.


wat

David and others like him are martyrs who suffer for the sins of mankind.

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Galactic Cannibalism wrote...

jhon shepard.4 wrote...

Hey how long is every one ganna talk about david if u don't like him thin why don't u stop posting about him, Damn crazy stalkers. Lol.


Not stalking.
Just watching.

Always.
Ha ha ha. That's funny 8)




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Darth Brotarian wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I have confidence the Reapers could have been defeated with hard science and tactics, meaningful action on behalf of Shepard, and choices that matter. With a both a conventional and nonconventional victory on the table, and without significant changes to the Reapers or galaxy. 


Define meaningful?


Die you goddamn super computers!

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David7204 wrote...

Massively, when good things exist in this world, it's because people like me make them. I can assure you people care immensely about my standards. Because they're right. And they'd be right whether I believed in them or not.


So, you're just gonna roll with the full-blown diva shtick now, huh?

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General Slotts wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I have confidence the Reapers could have been defeated with hard science and tactics, meaningful action on behalf of Shepard, and choices that matter. With a both a conventional and nonconventional victory on the table, and without significant changes to the Reapers or galaxy. 


Define meaningful?


Die you goddamn super computers!


Why couldn't I get an M60 in ME3?

You ****ed up bioware, you truly ****ed up.

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The Reapers are defeated directly because of Shepard.

Not because of some pencilnecks in a lab. Not because of Cerberus. Because of Shepard. Shepard is the deciding factor that tips the scales in favor of victory.

That's meaningful action.

Modifié par David7204, 19 août 2013 - 05:44 .


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Darth Brotarian wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I have confidence the Reapers could have been defeated with hard science and tactics, meaningful action on behalf of Shepard, and choices that matter. With a both a conventional and nonconventional victory on the table, and without significant changes to the Reapers or galaxy. 


Define meaningful?


Die you goddamn super computers!


Why couldn't I get an M60 in ME3?

You ****ed up bioware, you truly ****ed up.


M60>Harbinger

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But those pencil necks and Cerberus brought Shepard back to life. Who killed the Reapers

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KaiserShep wrote...

The problem is that ME1 basically establishes that more must happen with the reapers. In order to properly drop the plot, the original game must not have a reaper-related sequel hook. It's this hook that makes the plot a necessity. Ignoring it entirely for two more games gallivanting across the galaxy to go on other adventures in fully self contained stories would leave a vacuum where the promised plot should have been.


I agree on that.

I just think the general idea of a Bioware sci-fi RPG was compelling enough on it's own, back in the day. Even before ME1 was released. I didn't need the Reapers to make it interesting. I was already sold. It could have been nothing but galavanting and just some cool Spectre James Bond in Space sh!t for all I care.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 19 août 2013 - 05:46 .


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David7204 wrote...

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Yes, what a treat that would be for me. Trying to change your mind. How could anyone refuse such incentive. Yet somehow -- somehow -- I think I will decline.

The thing is, anything I told you would be based upon the idea that the game could have been better in some way or that a valid criticism could be placed upon it. And I just haven't seen much evidence that you are open to anything that's based upon that idea.

I've made a very great deal of posts criticizing the ending, the Crucible, certain plot points, small lines of dialogue, various characters, and other miscellanious content.

However, I still recognize that most complaints on the BSN are the result of ulterior motives and very filtered perceptions.

I haven't really seen you make many criticisms that seemed nodworthy. And most of the criticisms I do find nodworthy you outright reject.

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Shepard doesn't do everything. The fleets are still doing the actual fighting. But it's Shepard that tips the scales.

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I would be perfectly fine with self-contained stories with grand escapades through the galaxy, but the first Mass Effect seemed to want to offer pieces of both that and a big overarching plot that would extend throughout the trilogy, with obviously mixed results.

I hope that some lessons are taken from this for the new game, and the new threat isn't some overpowered big bad that has to bulldoze over everything.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 19 août 2013 - 05:48 .


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Shepard made the Crucible?

Shepard wasn't even sure WTF it did.

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Yes, and that's a very significant problem with the current plotline that needs to be addressed for an ideal alternative.