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[Frozenkex]

Plaintiff wrote...

Frozenkex wrote...

Id like to propose an analogy - there are more people with diabetes than gay people, and yet food stores are unfair. People with no diabetes are offered much wider variety of food which they can consume healthily but only fraction of that can be part of a healthy died for a person with diabetes. But its fine cause there are more people without diabetes.

That is a terrible, awful, offensive analogy.

And besides, grocers and restaurants should make more effort to accomodate people with different dietary needs.

Just because we discriminate against group X does not make it okay to discriminate against group Y.

Well I do have diabetes and I'm not offended

[Plaintiff]

Frozenkex wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Frozenkex wrote...

Id like to propose an analogy - there are more people with diabetes than gay people, and yet food stores are unfair. People with no diabetes are offered much wider variety of food which they can consume healthily but only fraction of that can be part of a healthy died for a person with diabetes. But its fine cause there are more people without diabetes.

That is a terrible, awful, offensive analogy.

And besides, grocers and restaurants should make more effort to accomodate people with different dietary needs.

Just because we discriminate against group X does not make it okay to discriminate against group Y.

Well I do have diabetes and I'm not offended

No, equating homosexuality to a disease is offensive to homosexuals.

Besides, being diabetic doesn't prevent you from eating anything you want in a videogame, now does it. Whereas homosexuals are very much denied choices when it comes to videogame romance.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 août 2013 - 12:53 .

[Neon Rising Winter]

Frozenkex wrote...

I cant imagine big bearded warden guy to be bisexual.

Well maybe they're using a beard to hide the fact they're gay. (Sorry, joke was irresistable)

[Frozenkex]

Plaintiff wrote...

Frozenkex wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Frozenkex wrote...

Id like to propose an analogy - there are more people with diabetes than gay people, and yet food stores are unfair. People with no diabetes are offered much wider variety of food which they can consume healthily but only fraction of that can be part of a healthy died for a person with diabetes. But its fine cause there are more people without diabetes.

That is a terrible, awful, offensive analogy.

And besides, grocers and restaurants should make more effort to accomodate people with different dietary needs.

Just because we discriminate against group X does not make it okay to discriminate against group Y.

Well I do have diabetes and I'm not offended

No, equating homosexuality to a disease is offensive to homosexuals.

Then im sorry that you missed the point. It simply shouldnt be surprising that tastes and needs of minorities aren't catered to in equal measure to majority, if you understand.

[Plaintiff]

Frozenkex wrote...
Then im sorry that you missed the point. It simply shouldnt be surprising that tastes and needs of minorities aren't catered to in equal measure to majority, if you understand.

Diabetics aren't a minority, they don't lack any rights. Christ you're dense.

We're talking about videogames. Does being diabetic take away your food choices in videogames? No. In videogames, you can eat whatever the hell you want.

[AresKeith]

I actually don't mind if romance characters are player-sexual but I feel that there are some characters who shouldn't be romanceable or just exclusive, imho

[Frozenkex]

Plaintiff wrote...

Frozenkex wrote...
Then im sorry that you missed the point. It simply shouldnt be surprising that tastes and needs of minorities aren't catered to in equal measure to majority, if you understand.

Diabetics aren't a minority, they don't lack any rights. Christ you're dense.

We're talking about videogames. Does being diabetic take away your food choices in videogames? No. In videogames, you can eat whatever the hell you want.

so back to the topic then. You are arguing that all companions should be bisexual?

[2Pac]

Liara is a terrible terrible romance. She's annoying and whines alot.

Modifié par alliance commander, 19 août 2013 - 01:34 .

[Knight of Dane]

alliance commander wrote...

Liara is a terrible terrible romance. She's annoying and whines alot.

Kinda like you then?

[ParkBom]

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Liara is a terrible terrible romance. She's annoying and whines alot.

Kinda like you then?

LOL.

[AstraDrakkar]

Navasha wrote...

I have no complaints in the character department for any of Biowares recent games. I may not like some of the personalities, but that's life... I won't like everyone in RL either. Bioware, for the most part, is sky-high above the other competition when it comes to character interactions.

I think a perfect game would be a Skyrim-like game with my usual set of survival/realism mods all populated by Bioware-level characters. I would probably never stop playing it.

This pretty much sums it up for me. Player sexual is fine IMO.

[mikeymoonshine]

The problem with realism and relationships in games is nobody wants realism. More believable relationships are good but realism isn't

Realism is you LI dumping you for someone else after you spent the whole game romancing them.

Now sure some people get a kick out of that and i am not saying there should only be happy endings but this is a fantasy here. Your characters life does not necessarily have to reflect your life or anyone else's.

This is why there is player sexuality, This is why Game devs have to come up with ways of relationships starting without every romanceable character flirting with you initially (because that pissed some people off). This is why the only factor in these relationships are what the player chooses to do/say or not to do/say.

[Ailith Tycane]

Frozenkex wrote...
well you can write anything and even find anything in real life. But if you imagine someone from fantasy - someone older, bearded guy, who is tough and stern like Duncan, Eddard Stark or Uther Lightbringer. It would be just very wierd that any of these guys werent straight as straight can be.
That grey warden companion from what we've seen is going to be no Renly, but more like Robert or Stannis Baratheon, or any of the above.

Oh sweety, while your complete lack of knowledge of what actual gay men are like is kind of cute, I really must ask you to:

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Modifié par Ailith430, 19 août 2013 - 02:52 .

[Zack_Nero]

I think BioWare is doing fine in this count. Yea it could be better, but it's not bad either. Yea, in DA2 the characters did wine a bit much, but they were able to put their own reasoning and execute it in good ways. I also did love the fact that Tali and Garrus could be a couple or that you were able to help Aveline get over her first husband and move on to a new one. I want more of that, but I trust that BioWare is able to make good memorable characters in their games.

[MaraGriffyn]

Frozenkex wrote...


well you can write anything and even find anything in real life. But if you imagine someone from fantasy - someone older, bearded guy, who is tough and stern like Duncan, Eddard Stark or Uther Lightbringer. It would be just very wierd that any of these guys werent straight as straight can be.
That grey warden companion from what we've seen is going to be no Renly, but more like Robert or Stannis Baratheon, or any of the above.

There's so much wrong with this post, but I just had to ugly laugh at the old "masculine men are never gay or bi!" chestnut. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Plus it depresses me to see that people still think that gay people are all the same and that we are all easy to spot. Non of us are manly, have facial hair or behave in a non stereotypical gay way.

When someone is saying "he just didn't seem gay to me" they are really saying " I have a ****ing stupid idea of what a gay person is in my head and I am really so dumb as to assume that what I think a gay person is and should be is relevant to the world or to anybody ****ing else"

[Ailith Tycane]

  I'm sorry if this goes too off topic, but I really feel this point needs to be made.

You see these two guys?

www.marieclaire.com/cm/marieclaire/images/H2/mcx-costellotagliapietra-0811-blog.jpg

That's Jeffrey Costello and Robert Tagliapietra. They are both very sucessful fashion designers, they are both bearded and middle aged, masculine, and they are both extremely gay. But just incase your worldview about gay men and gender roles in relationships hasn't completely imploded yet, they are in fact a couple as well.

So yes, it's entirely possible for bearded, non stereotypical men to be gay and in a relationship with each other. These two are not a rare occurance. Not all gay men are inherently feminine in nature, just as not all lesbians are not all masculine in nature. If this blows your mind then good, I hope it does.

I don't see any problem with the masculine, bearded bad ass Warden dude being attracted to men, and if you do for some reason then you CANNOT claim it's because it's "unrealistic."

Modifié par Ailith430, 19 août 2013 - 03:02 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Grey Warden guy looks like a bear to me. A muscle bear to be specific.

[Ailith Tycane]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Grey Warden guy looks like a bear to me. A muscle bear to be specific.

I know, it's sweet. I'd definitely like to see more shots of him when they become available, lol.

[FaWa]

I mean, when it comes down to it, before DA2, straight romances were always with the main companions, while the bi companions were always just things on the side, overall irrelevant to the plot. (Not to mention borderline stereotypes with Zev)

So obviously I'd prefer all bi because that (And Kaidan in ME3) has been the only time where I felt my romance was actually worth something in the plot.

But whatever.

[sandalisthemaker]

Ailith430 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Grey Warden guy looks like a bear to me. A muscle bear to be specific.

I know, it's sweet. I'd definitely like to see more shots of him when they become available, lol.

He would definitely break people's perceived stereotypes if he ends up being a playersexual LI. That's for sure.

Make it happen Bioware. 

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 19 août 2013 - 03:14 .

[AresKeith]

FaWa wrote...

I mean, when it comes down to it, before DA2, straight romances were always with the main companions, while the bi companions were always just things on the side, overall irrelevant to the plot. (Not to mention borderline stereotypes with Zev)

What stereotype with Zev?

[FaWa]

Frozenkex wrote...

Dragon Age 2 handled the romances well because, namely, it was fair! Why do people automatically assume that it's fair to give straight people a larger choice of romances? o.O

cuz most people are straight?
http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States


I cant imagine big bearded warden guy to be bisexual.

lol yea because if there is one group of people under represented in the gay community, its big dudes with beards. 

[sandalisthemaker]

AresKeith wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I mean, when it comes down to it, before DA2, straight romances were always with the main companions, while the bi companions were always just things on the side, overall irrelevant to the plot. (Not to mention borderline stereotypes with Zev)

What stereotype with Zev?

That bisexuals are promiscuous and want to bang everyone/thing.  Isabela conforms as well. Leliana is borderline.