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[cjones91]

Why do some people go into a fury if someone suggests the Warden/Hawke make a appearance in DA:I even if you don't see how they look?Is it because they can't separate themselves from their characters for just one moment and therefore they feel that in order to protect their head canon the Warden/Hawke should'nt appear at all?Personally I treat my Wardens and Female Mage Hawke as their own characters so if they made a appearance in DA:Inquistion I would'nt flip out about it like some people would.

[Realmzmaster]

I have no attachment to my Warden or Hawkes. I simply see no reason for their inclusion in the game. What purpose does it serve other than fan service? If the Warden or Hawke have no meaningful part in the story it is just like Alistair showing up for his cameo which also does not appear in all playthroughs of DA2. It simply wasted resources as far as I am concerned that can be put to better use like making a better story for the Inquisitor.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have no attachment to my Warden or Hawkes. I simply see no reason for their inclusion in the game. What purpose does it serve other than fan service? If the Warden or Hawke have no meaningful part in the story it is just like Alistair showing up for his cameo which also does not appear in all playthroughs of DA2. It simply wasted resources as far as I am concerned that can be put to better use like making a better story for the Inquisitor.

Pretty much all of this.

[cjones91]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have no attachment to my Warden or Hawkes. I simply see no reason for their inclusion in the game. What purpose does it serve other than fan service? If the Warden or Hawke have no meaningful part in the story it is just like Alistair showing up for his cameo which also does not appear in all playthroughs of DA2. It simply wasted resources as far as I am concerned that can be put to better use like making a better story for the Inquisitor.

I think they should atleast show what happened to them instead of making them disappear every game,I bet the Inquisitor is going to vanish too since that seems like a trend.

[cjones91]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Some peoples' Wardens didn't survive. Mine did, and I'd love to see her in DA:I, but I can understand the anger of some.

If the Warden did the US then they will be mentioned only,I just find it weird how living Wardens are supposed to be forgotten just because some people would angry if they showed up.

[esper]

Because it wouldn't be our warden and Hawke. I am a hundred percent sure that bioware cannot get even the personality of either of them right.

I also don't want my new PC's thunder stolen, by some old PC.

[wright1978]

Because it would most likely involve forcing a defined characterisation on them that could/would differ from player characterisation. Also can't see a way for them to appear visually without it either seeming completely cheap or introducing a default look that would clash with player customised appearance.

Also there is absolutely no need to see them on screen. It's a big world they can be off elsewhere without appearing & still be referenced.

[Knight of Dane]

There is no way Bioware can make it correct, there are too many variables, even if you only consider in-game choices and not how everyone imagine their characters.

Bioware would practically be shooting themselves in the head, frankly I'd say don't bother.

And the argument with being too attached to one's character could as well be done to those arguing for the apperance, please just leave that out of the debate at all.

[cjones91]

esper wrote...

Because it wouldn't be our warden and Hawke. I am a hundred percent sure that bioware cannot get even the personality of either of them right.

I also don't want my new PC's thunder stolen, by some old PC.

That's why they should only be shown but not have any lines except someone may point and say "Is that the Champion/Hero of Fereldan?".Besides fanfic is a wonderful thing and my Amell and Surana Wardens are in Orlais helping the rebellion so if they showed up it would'nt be out of character.

[MaraGriffyn]

At best, I imagine they'll get a mention, without being actually seen. Assuming they're both still alive, of course. DA:I is the story of the Inquisitor, though, not the story of Hawke and/or the Warden. Their stories have been dealt with. I'm fine if they want to wrap up the loose end of Leliana's line at the end of DA2 and tie that up into the story of DA:I (in fact I'd prefer that) but I'd rather they not be playing a huge part.

[Vilegrim]

For me, because the Warden would have a voice, and since that could never be the one he had in my imagination, it would somehow damage the character, and also to me, the Warden as my first character in the DAverse is cooler than any since

[Wulfram]

If they make it generic enough to fit everyone's Warden, then what's the point?

I mean, you could have some guy/girl in a full face helmet stab a few darkspawn and leave, and have someone go "hey, that was the Hero of Fereldan!", and that would probably be OK by me.  Well aside from potential issues with them using the wrong weapons. But what are you achieving with that?

Modifié par Wulfram, 18 août 2013 - 07:40 .

[esper]

cjones91 wrote...

esper wrote...

Because it wouldn't be our warden and Hawke. I am a hundred percent sure that bioware cannot get even the personality of either of them right.

I also don't want my new PC's thunder stolen, by some old PC.

That's why they should only be shown but not have any lines except someone may point and say "Is that the Champion/Hero of Fereldan?".Besides fanfic is a wonderful thing and my Amell and Surana Wardens are in Orlais helping the rebellion so if they showed up it would'nt be out of character.

Well it would be out of character for mine. So there. And I am not talking fan fic here. I am talking personality as it was formed by my taking in game choices.

Also. There is not point in them just showing up. It will just add a gazillion question as to what they were doing there and why they didn't help the new protagonist.

[Mello]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have no attachment to my Warden or Hawkes. I simply see no reason for their inclusion in the game. What purpose does it serve other than fan service? If the Warden or Hawke have no meaningful part in the story it is just like Alistair showing up for his cameo which also does not appear in all playthroughs of DA2. It simply wasted resources as far as I am concerned that can be put to better use like making a better story for the Inquisitor.

Exactly. If the Warden/Hawke do show up in DA:I it's only because the fan's wanted it. It's a waste of time/resources that could have been spent on something more important. The Warden/Hawke's story is over, it's done I don't need them in my party or anything. A small mention would be fine you won't see me complaining especially if the mention involves the plot of DA:I. But even with just a mention, it would feel like the warden and Hawke are just being dragged along in the games. And with the fact that the Warden/Hawke have custom appearances that would just be a pain in the ass especially if you added mods to your warden/hawke. People are suggesting having the warden/hawke have their face covered which I absolutely do not want. I rather Bioware just leave the Warden/Hawke alone, people may be disappointed. But I would rather people be disappointed than pissed off because their Warden/Hawke cameo sucked. Either way, no one will be happy. 

[andar91]

If they do show up, there had better be a point. If not, then it's as Realmzmaster said.

There's also a fear of voicing and depiction (as art styles and the engine have changed).

[Iron Fist]

There are far too many variables to account for. It's not worth any effort.

[Il Divo]

Wulfram wrote...

If they make it generic enough to fit everyone's Warden, then what's the point?

I mean, you could have some guy/girl in a full face helmet stab a few darkspawn and leave, and have someone go "hey, that was the Hero of Fereldan!", and that would probably be OK by me.  Well aside from potential issues with them using the wrong weapons. But what are you achieving with that?

I think this is the most relevant part: what is the point of adding the Warden?

If it's simply for an awesome cameo, don't even bother; it'll likely be more developer effort than it's worth and not result in anything substantial, also bringing about more questions than answers.

If they're supposed to have a plot critical function, we go back to that wonderful issue of taking control away from players who will cry "My Warden would never do that"!.

The real problem I see is Bioware giving the Warden the ability to transcend the Eluvian with Morrigan and the OGB. Every other ending keeps the Warden removed from plot significant events, while this one particular ending sort of thrusts the Warden into (what appears) to be a portion of Inquisition's main plot.

[Sanunes]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have no attachment to my Warden or Hawkes. I simply see no reason for their inclusion in the game. What purpose does it serve other than fan service? If the Warden or Hawke have no meaningful part in the story it is just like Alistair showing up for his cameo which also does not appear in all playthroughs of DA2. It simply wasted resources as far as I am concerned that can be put to better use like making a better story for the Inquisitor.

Exactly. If the Warden/Hawke do show up in DA:I it's only because the fan's wanted it. It's a waste of time/resources that could have been spent on something more important. The Warden/Hawke's story is over, it's done I don't need them in my party or anything. A small mention would be fine you won't see me complaining especially if the mention involves the plot of DA:I. But even with just a mention, it would feel like the warden and Hawke are just being dragged along in the games. And with the fact that the Warden/Hawke have custom appearances that would just be a pain in the ass especially if you added mods to your warden/hawke. People are suggesting having the warden/hawke have their face covered which I absolutely do not want. I rather Bioware just leave the Warden/Hawke alone, people may be disappointed. But I would rather people be disappointed than pissed off because their Warden/Hawke cameo sucked. Either way, no one will be happy. 

Both of you echo my feelings perfectly.

I have low expectations of how The Warden and Hawke will return if they do, but I know many will be upset with how they are brought back, so I rather the time and effort of trying to make something that will appease the players is put elsewhere into the game.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

cjones91 wrote...

Why do some people go into a fury if someone suggests the Warden/Hawke make a appearance in DA:I even if you don't see how they look?Is it because they can't separate themselves from their characters for just one moment and therefore they feel that in order to protect their head canon the Warden/Hawke should'nt appear at all?

Why? He represented my 3D Avatar in a single player ROLE PLAYING GAME and virtual world of Thedas. I do not seperate myself from my warden like you do. So how is it possible for this warden to exist without me? As far as I concern, whoever play this warden is not The Hero of Ferelden from Origins. It doesn't matter how you view. I enjoyed roleplaying my warden the way I want to. And nothing can substitute my warden. Unlike Hawke.

cjones91 wrote...
Personally I treat my Wardens and Female Mage Hawke as their own characters so if they made a appearance in DA:Inquistion I would'nt flip out about it like some people would.

Oh I've made thousands of characters as their own characters too. I do not mind seeing them appear as NPC. Still, it doesn't solve the problem with player's avatar character.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 18 août 2013 - 07:59 .

[Gewehr_fr]

1) My wardens and champions have completely different personalities and motivations.
2) Considering its a new engine it will be pretty much impossible for Bioware to import their face right.
3) They could be dead / King / Viscount / pro-templar / pro-mages / neutral etc etc... -> Too many variables.
4) As they said above, if it's only to show them once, not speaking, their face buried in an armor, what's the point ?

Modifié par Gewehr_fr, 18 août 2013 - 08:00 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

They might end up looking like the new Alistair/Zevran. Also the Warden never had can end up doing various things due to the epilogue. Some became king/queen in Fereldan, some continued their job as Wardens, some continued adventuring, dwarf Warden became a paragon, some returned to Orzammar, city elf warden can become a noble in Denerim etc etc etc. There are just too many options for the Warden and stuffing them all in will be impossible and at worst just one minute of fan service

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 18 août 2013 - 08:19 .

[Jorina Leto]

Gewehr_fr wrote...
1) My wardens and champions have completely different personalities and motivations.

Yet in the end they were wardens and the writers wrote what the warden said.

Gewehr_fr wrote...
2) Considering its a new engine it will be pretty much impossible for Bioware to import their face right.

As long as the games import slider positions or something else, there is a way for the system to create a similar face.

Gewehr_fr wrote...
3) They could be dead / King / Viscount / pro-templar / pro-mages / neutral etc etc... -> Too many variables.

Don't underestimate the writers. I'm sure they can handle the variables.

Gewehr_fr wrote...
4) As they said above, if it's only to show them once, not speaking, their face buried in an armor, what's the point ?

Bioware should give the warden a canon voice. Where is the problem?

Modifié par Jorina Leto, 18 août 2013 - 08:27 .

[Catroi]

because of this:

[Mello]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Gewehr_fr wrote...
1) My wardens and champions have completely different personalities and motivations.

Yet in the end they were wardens and the writers wrote what the warden said.

Gewehr_fr wrote...
2) Considering its a new engine it will be pretty much impossible for Bioware to import their face right.

As long as the games import slider positions or something else, there is a way for the system to create a similar face.

Gewehr_fr wrote...
3) They could be dead / King / Viscount / pro-templar / pro-mages / neutral etc etc... -> Too many variables.

Don't underestimate the writers. I'm sure they can handle the variables.

Gewehr_fr wrote...
4) As they said above, if it's only to show them once, not speaking, their face buried in an armor, what's the point ?

Bioware should give the warden a canon voice. Where is the problem?

They probably could handle the variables, doesn't mean it's necessary to go through all the trouble just for a cameo. And some people will be pissed off about the canon voice since we had voice options.