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[Cainhurst Crow]

I think most people just don't want to see their warden or their hawke controlled by the bioware writing staff and not them.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 18 août 2013 - 08:40 .

[Fetunche]

My warden is at home looking after the old god baby while Mommy takes care of business in Orlais. My Hawke is running a firm with his partner Fenris that specialises in returning lost property to its rightful owners.

[Nerevar-as]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I think most people just don't want to see their warden or their hawke controlled by the bioware writing staff and not them.

Not showing up it´s still BW writers controlling what they are doing. Warden was Warden Commander of Ferelden last time we knew of him/her (and from DA2 getting through the Eluvian wasn´t permanent), so whatever is happening with the wardens, s/he has to be involved. Add possible relationship with Morrigan, and things get much more complicated.  Hawke on the other side... I can buy him/her thinking screw everything after all s/he´s gone through, but for the possible viscount title.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 18 août 2013 - 09:05 .

[In Exile]

cjones91 wrote...

Why do some people go into a fury if someone suggests the Warden/Hawke make a appearance in DA:I even if you don't see how they look?Is it because they can't separate themselves from their characters for just one moment and therefore they feel that in order to protect their head canon the Warden/Hawke should'nt appear at all?Personally I treat my Wardens and Female Mage Hawke as their own characters so if they made a appearance in DA:Inquistion I would'nt flip out about it like some people would.

I treat them as their own characters, but since (as their own characters), they have their own in-game option to bugger off and do something else, getting dragged into some big fan fiction plot that some player has cooked up is not my idea of a good end for a character I enjoy.

This is an especially big problem for the Warden, when almost all of your DA:O ending options are something other than "stick around with the Wardens and give a **** about darkspawn". 

[DarthLaxian]

cjones91 wrote...

Why do some people go into a fury if someone suggests the Warden/Hawke make a appearance in DA:I even if you don't see how they look?Is it because they can't separate themselves from their characters for just one moment and therefore they feel that in order to protect their head canon the Warden/Hawke should'nt appear at all?Personally I treat my Wardens and Female Mage Hawke as their own characters so if they made a appearance in DA:Inquistion I would'nt flip out about it like some people would.

simple how can it be my Warden/Warden-Commander or my Hawke, if it is not me controlling it (it would without a doubt be out of character, because if i am not behind the Warden or Hawke, then they can't be me/represent me inside the game (that would be like meeting your MMO-Character face to face and it would not work as with you behind him/her they don't have a personality!)) - end of story (as much as i would like the Warden (not Hawke - i didn't like him/her all that much) to be in another Dragon Age game sometimes (like Sheppard in Mass Effect), it would have to be as the PC (my character can't be an NPC, unless i controll his actions in addition to the ones of my new Inquisitor PC)

greetings LAX
ps: on the other hand i prefer new heroes for DA-Games (they give as a broader perspective as seeing everything with one viewpoint only, that is rather restricting IMHO)

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 18 août 2013 - 09:49 .

[Azaron Nightblade]

cjones91 wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Some peoples' Wardens didn't survive. Mine did, and I'd love to see her in DA:I, but I can understand the anger of some.

If the Warden did the US then they will be mentioned only,I just find it weird how living Wardens are supposed to be forgotten just because some people would angry if they showed up.

It's hardly a trend.
The Warden originally didn't vanish at the end of DAO, it's in DA2 that it got mucked up because they had planned to resolve things in an expansion and then canned that idea.
Though I would like to see that resolved, rather than have it dismissed along with the Exalted March expansion idea.

[daveliam]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I think most people just don't want to see their warden or their hawke controlled by the bioware writing staff and not them.

Not showing up it´s still BW writers controlling what they are doing. Warden was Warden Commander of Ferelden last time we knew of him/her (and from DA2 getting through the Eluvian wasn´t permanent), so whatever is happening with the wardens, s/he has to be involved. Add possible relationship with Morrigan, and things get much more complicated.  Hawke on the other side... I can buy him/her thinking screw everything after all s/he´s gone through, but for the possible viscount title.

But I think that this is where the problem lies.  My warden didn't stay Warden Commander and was speculated to be off in Antiva with Zevran.  He never romanced Morrigan, so he never went through the Eluvian.  I have faith that, if necessary, the writers could come up with some storyline that makes sense for all of the variants of the warden to be in the same place.  However, I'm not sure if I even see the need for them to spend time doing so just for a cameo appearance from this character.  Of course, all that being said, I have no idea if the writers are even planning for the warden and/or Hawke to appear in DA: I and, if so, to what extent, so I'm not sure how much good this speculation does.

[Navasha]

Mostly because these stories aren't related to each other directly. Sure the events of one trigger the events of the next, but the stories themselves are independent of one another.

I like the hobbits from LoTR too, but I don't expect halflings, or hobbits in every fantasy world RPG either.

If the writers have had a legitimate reason for the Warden/Hawke appearing then fine. I just don't want them showing up out of the blue for a 3 minute cutscene for nostalgia sake. If the writers don't want to wrap up those stories and just leave it up to the imaginings of the audience I am would prefer that over writing in a haphazard event that would feel disconnected from the story.

[Nerevar-as]

DarthLaxian wrote...

greetings LAX
ps: on the other hand i prefer new heroes for DA-Games (they give as a broader perspective as seeing everything with one viewpoint only, that is rather restricting IMHO)

If there´s continuity with plots and supporting cast, changing main characters usually does more harm than good.

[Twisted Path]

In Dragon Age 2 you can play Hawke as a super-evil, selfish and uncaring character who sells a kid's soul to a demon, whips out the murder-knife at every opportunity and sells two companions into slavery. I really don't think that sort of characterization is going to be picked up by a save import.

I worry that if Hawke does show up in Inquisition the game will automatically treat her as a heroic character even if I never saw her or played her that way.

Or on the flip side I could import my aggressive Hawke who actually never hurt an innocent person and tried to be heroic and the game might flag her as "evil" instead of just perpetually grumpy. Aggressive Hawke had some pretty evil sounding auto-dialogue, which was jarring if you picked aggressive dialogue but never actually did anything evil.

Bottom line is that Bioware games give players a lot of room to play unique and nuanced characters, but I really doubt flags from a save import could reasonably give enough information to catch that nuance.

[Nerevar-as]

Twisted Path wrote...

In Dragon Age 2 you can play Hawke as a super-evil, selfish and uncaring character who sells a kid's soul to a demon, whips out the murder-knife at every opportunity and sells two companions into slavery. I really don't think that sort of characterization is going to be picked up by a save import.

I worry that if Hawke does show up in Inquisition the game will automatically treat her as a heroic character even if I never saw her or played her that way.

Or on the flip side I could import my aggressive Hawke who actually never hurt an innocent person and tried to be heroic and the game might flag her as "evil" instead of just perpetually grumpy. Aggressive Hawke had some pretty evil sounding auto-dialogue, which was jarring if you picked aggressive dialogue but never actually did anything evil.

Bottom line is that Bioware games give players a lot of room to play unique and nuanced characters, but I really doubt flags from a save import could reasonably give enough information to catch that nuance.

Or they could still be PCs instead of NPCs. I don´t think it´s impossible.

[Azaron Nightblade]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Twisted Path wrote...

In Dragon Age 2 you can play Hawke as a super-evil, selfish and uncaring character who sells a kid's soul to a demon, whips out the murder-knife at every opportunity and sells two companions into slavery. I really don't think that sort of characterization is going to be picked up by a save import.

I worry that if Hawke does show up in Inquisition the game will automatically treat her as a heroic character even if I never saw her or played her that way.

Or on the flip side I could import my aggressive Hawke who actually never hurt an innocent person and tried to be heroic and the game might flag her as "evil" instead of just perpetually grumpy. Aggressive Hawke had some pretty evil sounding auto-dialogue, which was jarring if you picked aggressive dialogue but never actually did anything evil.

Bottom line is that Bioware games give players a lot of room to play unique and nuanced characters, but I really doubt flags from a save import could reasonably give enough information to catch that nuance.

Or they could still be PCs instead of NPCs. I don´t think it´s impossible.

It honestly makes me curious what their original plan was.
I mean, they went there at the end of DA2 and they were going to make the Exalted March expansion with these things already in play, so they must've given it some thought even while they were still making DA2.

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 18 août 2013 - 10:36 .

[blaidfiste]

The only thing I won't mind seeing is an Exalted March DLC for Inquisition where we play an imported Hawke. The content was already planned for DA2 and it should properly finish Hawke's story.

However, suggesting the either Hawke or the Warden make an appearance in Inquisition just because ... meh.

[Ailith Tycane]

Did you see Revan's cameo in SWTOR? That's why I'm worried.

[Navasha]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

It honestly makes me curious what their original plan was.
I mean, they went there at the end of DA2 and they were going to make the Exalted March expansion with these things already in play, so they must've given it some thought even while they were still making DA2.

More likely than not, when they were writing the Exalted March, they realized pretty quickly that this was more than a simple expansion.   It was probably scrapped and expanded upon to become Inquistion.

[Nerevar-as]

Ailith430 wrote...

Did you see Revan's cameo in SWTOR? That's why I'm worried.

I know enough, wish I didn´t. TOR is on my never happened SW list.

But to go the opposite way, the Underdark expansion for NWN used a different PC to give closure to many characters from the OC, and it just didn´t feel right (neither di some places they put some characters), and that´s with a PC character that was little more than a blank. Now imagine this with a PC character who actually is a character. Many moments in ME2 & 3 wouldn´t have worked as they did if Shepard hadn´t been the main character all along.

[Ailith Tycane]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Did you see Revan's cameo in SWTOR? That's why I'm worried.

I know enough, wish I didn´t. TOR is on my never happened SW list.

But to go the opposite way, the Underdark expansion for NWN used a different PC to give closure to many characters from the OC, and it just didn´t feel right (neither di some places they put some characters), and that´s with a PC character that was little more than a blank. Now imagine this with a PC character who actually is a character. Many moments in ME2 & 3 wouldn´t have worked as they did if Shepard hadn´t been the main character all along.

Yeah, I recall not liking seeing Aribeth in hell in the Underdark game, it was slightly upsetting.

[daveliam]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Did you see Revan's cameo in SWTOR? That's why I'm worried.

I know enough, wish I didn´t. TOR is on my never happened SW list.

But to go the opposite way, the Underdark expansion for NWN used a different PC to give closure to many characters from the OC, and it just didn´t feel right (neither di some places they put some characters), and that´s with a PC character that was little more than a blank. Now imagine this with a PC character who actually is a character. Many moments in ME2 & 3 wouldn´t have worked as they did if Shepard hadn´t been the main character all along.

For me, the difference is that ME WAS Shepard's story.  The companions in those games were important because of how they enhanced or contributed to Shepard's progression.  DA is Thedas' story.  It's not about individual characters in the long run.  It's about how the various parts of the world are coping with and affected by the strife that happens because of the story. 

[draken-heart]

I have no problem with them being in the game, just with how they are implemented.

Disguise them and I am okay with it, but not happy.

[Mr.House]

Play TOR, do the Foundry flashpoint. There's your answer.

[spirosz]

Mr.House wrote...

Play TOR, do the Foundry flashpoint. There's your answer.

ROFL. 

[cjones91]

How about a compromise?Let's say they don't show the Warden or Hawke however when travelling through a area  you get a glimpse of someone who looks like your Hawke/Warden,would that be preferable instead of sweeping them under the rug?

Modifié par cjones91, 19 août 2013 - 12:01 .

[Nerevar-as]

Ailith430 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Did you see Revan's cameo in SWTOR? That's why I'm worried.

I know enough, wish I didn´t. TOR is on my never happened SW list.

But to go the opposite way, the Underdark expansion for NWN used a different PC to give closure to many characters from the OC, and it just didn´t feel right (neither di some places they put some characters), and that´s with a PC character that was little more than a blank. Now imagine this with a PC character who actually is a character. Many moments in ME2 & 3 wouldn´t have worked as they did if Shepard hadn´t been the main character all along.

Yeah, I recall not liking seeing Aribeth in hell in the Underdark game, it was slightly upsetting.

I could believe Nasher having her killed, he did it to Fenthick for getting tricked along with everybody else, but ending up in hell for something she did under heavy brainwashing? Between this and Dragonlance, it´s funny the concept of "good" gods in D&D. Give me Arioch anyday, at least I can expect to be backstabbed.

More on topic, I wouldn´t say DA is Thedas´s tale and ME Shepard´s. You could have changed the main character for ME2 and 3 and still tell the same tale (especially in 2, Shepard is just there to help the other 12 and all plots are sidequests). But the relationships with the rest of characters and some plots just wouldn´t have been as emotionally engaging with a new character each time. DA2 could have been made with the GW without changing that much, but the plot and supporting cast are so disconnected from everything in Origins (unless your GW was dalish) that it doesn´t matter much. But now looks like Morrigan is important again, Leliana is going to be around, and the GW are a bit more significant this time. So if we are getting a new PC yet again, at least I´d like to know how involved the old ones are in issues they´d logically be involved with.

[Plaintiff]

They won't look, sound or act anything like my Warden or my Hawke. Making the attempt will only result in complaints, so it's not worth the effort.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 août 2013 - 12:03 .

[rosalindlutece]

writers made a thing of it to tell me at both the end of awakening and 2 (bringing back leliana to do this) that my warden is missing. its not about "fanservice", I just want to know where she and hawke disappeared to.