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[canarius]

If Morrigan is a huge part of DA:I, so should my Warden. My Warden romanced Morrigan and he would never leave her. Besides they have a baby. If they won't include The Warden in the Inquisition then they better have a very good explanation why my Warden is not with Morrigan. I will be very upset if Bioware just says The Warden is dead or they broke up or something stupid like that.

[Plaintiff]

"The minute my warden stuck his penis in Morrigan, she ceased to be her own person! She has no right to break up with him or spend any time away from him without my explicit permission!"

[In Exile]

Plaintiff wrote...

"The minute my warden stuck his penis in Morrigan, she ceased to be her own person! She has no right to break up with him or spend any time away from him without my explicit permission!"

Which, one imagines, is exactly the sort of attitude that would make any sane person leave. Fast. 

[AstraDrakkar]

Here's the deal for me. Any Warden or Hawke they might show in DAI would probably not be the way I envisioned them. Since everyone has their own idea of what they should be, it would be impossible for Bioware to satisfy everyone. If I was Bioware i wouldn't want to open that can of worms.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 19 août 2013 - 02:32 .

[MaraGriffyn]

I'm totally okay with references being made, a la some of the DA2 cameos/side quests, based on individual choices of the player - so my assumption would be that if the warden romanced Morrigan in DAO, she will probably make some mention of him or some allusion to the relationship. That's the kind of thing that I'm fine with. Or your Hawke's LI (if any) from DA2 showing up for a conversation or side quest, and making reference to that. I don't want or need anything else.

[mikeymoonshine]

The idea of Bioware taking control of a character you created and another character you at least partially created is a little problematic for me.

Imagine if that character said or did something that your warden/hawke would never say or do.

I'm not saying it should never happen but I just don't see it working.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Ailith430 wrote...

Did you see Revan's cameo in SWTOR? That's why I'm worried.

SWTOR is why I'm excited about this cameo to be perfectly frank. Time to bury the past.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

cjones91 wrote...

Why do some people go into a fury if someone suggests the Warden/Hawke make a appearance in DA:I even if you don't see how they look?Is it because they can't separate themselves from their characters for just one moment and therefore they feel that in order to protect their head canon the Warden/Hawke should'nt appear at all?Personally I treat my Wardens and Female Mage Hawke as their own characters so if they made a appearance in DA:Inquistion I would'nt flip out about it like some people would.

A lot of people consider Hawke and the Warden to be their own characters, especially now that the the games they were in are over. Apparently David Gaider thinks otherwise, so I can imagine a certain amount of wariness. Even though I'm sure Bioware will do their best to be respectful of characters, the fact is that for everyone who wants to see their old PCs in a cameo there's someone else who wants to see their characters left alone. 

I don't care for the cameo idea, but mainly because my opinion is the opposite from Gaider's, that once DA:O ended the Warden ceased being Bioware's character. Wasn't there a big song and dance about how the Dragon Age series would not be following any single PC? Eh.

As for the fury you noted, it's the same for just about every single topic on this forum. Some people take their passion for certain game elements to extremes, and ranting on an internet forum is a minor extreme in the scheme of things.

[Maconbar]

Who knows maybe we are just leasing the rights to the warden and Hawke while we are actively playing.

[Dabrikishaw]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have no attachment to my Warden or Hawkes. I simply see no reason for their inclusion in the game. What purpose does it serve other than fan service? If the Warden or Hawke have no meaningful part in the story it is just like Alistair showing up for his cameo which also does not appear in all playthroughs of DA2. It simply wasted resources as far as I am concerned that can be put to better use like making a better story for the Inquisitor.

[Nefla]

I'm not "furious" at people wanting this, I just think it's a bad idea and makes for poor storytelling. What would be the point of a quick random cameo and how could they account for all the looks, choices, relationships, etc...without wasting an insane amount of resources on fan service that only appeals to a select group? Do I want my wardens and Hawke mentioned? Yes. Do I want them in the game? No. Like I said before it would be pointless and they would totally overshadow the new PC. Not to mention their personality would probably do a Merril/Anders and their looks at best would do a Zevran/Alistair and at worst they'd come up with a random canon (like horrible SWtOR Revan) which would undoubtedly be a straight, white, male with short dark hair and stubble or a short beard.

Excessive cameos and overlaps also makes the world seem very small especially since the characters are not related in any way. (That stuff would make more sense if the first game was about a hero, the second was about their child or protege, etc...) It's one of the reasons I'm not happy about all the returning characters as companions.

Really though I think it's a pointless debate because I seriously doubt they will do it.

[fiveforchaos]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Here's the deal for me. Any Warden or Hawke they might show in DAI would probably not be the way I envisioned them. Since everyone has their own idea of what they should be, it would be impossible for Bioware to satisfy everyone. If I was Bioware i wouldn't want to open that can of worms.

Too true, both my Hawke and Warden had very complicated motivations that Bioware couldn't possible simulate in an appearance. My Snarky!Hawke was hardly pro-mage, she was anti-idiot, and Orsino was looking the saner of the bunch prior the the whole "becoming a giant abomination" thing, but how would the game make that distinction? And how would it know that my Dwarf Nobel Warden was in no way betraying Alistair for more man-power when he spared Logain? He had simply become too weary of vengeful acts after having to kill his last brother to allow another to happen right before his eyes. 

[Twisted Path]

The one way I could see the Warden Commander appearing that would satisfy (most,) people would be if there were a segment of the game where you play as the Warden sprinkled with dialogue choices that establish that character's personality. Seems like kind of a waste of resources for a character who could possibly be dead though.

I've also got to admit that if the Warden Commander showed up in a cameo where he or she just casually obliterates an army of darkspawn and walks off without saying a word I wouldn't be disappointing. Casually obliterating tons of darkspawn seems pretty in character no matter how you played.

Like I said before I worry that if Hawke shows up they'll just use the dominant tone thing to determine their personality. In my two playthroughs of Dragon Age 2 Hawke was an aggressive person with a heart of gold and a sarcastic person who happened to be a psychopath. I just can't imagine the save import system picking up on that.

[mikeymoonshine]

fiveforchaos wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Here's the deal for me. Any Warden or Hawke they might show in DAI would probably not be the way I envisioned them. Since everyone has their own idea of what they should be, it would be impossible for Bioware to satisfy everyone. If I was Bioware i wouldn't want to open that can of worms.

Too true, both my Hawke and Warden had very complicated motivations that Bioware couldn't possible simulate in an appearance. My Snarky!Hawke was hardly pro-mage, she was anti-idiot, and Orsino was looking the saner of the bunch prior the the whole "becoming a giant abomination" thing, but how would the game make that distinction? And how would it know that my Dwarf Nobel Warden was in no way betraying Alistair for more man-power when he spared Logain? He had simply become too weary of vengeful acts after having to kill his last brother to allow another to happen right before his eyes. 

yeah my Elven mage didn't save the circle because he is pro circle he saved them because he hates the templars and wasn't interested in their help and he wanted to stick it to people like cullen who would just kill any mage who had involvements with deamons.

And my human noble warden saved the circle because despite believing that mages are dangerous she just couldn't bring herself to kill them all and wynn who did nothing wrong. She certainly wouldn't have freed them though or spared a bloodmage. 

[Erhank]

Seeing old characters is very good if scene made good.(ME:Orion hole Jack, Jacob mission last section etc.). For warden and hawk's status. I think it could be about some request or support. And In some time if we choose their support. We can control them.(Their dialogs.). It could be work. Actualy I want see old face and MY characters in some way even cameo. Always felt good.

[PJRobinson]

Even if they are brought back there would be a problem in why they have returned. Does no-one remember the anger on this forum when awakening was announced and we learnt that we had to stick with the wardens?
It's all well and good saying that it could be a cameo or you can control the character but not many people have even suggested a scenario that would fit every wardens personalities and epilogues

[mikeymoonshine]

krul2k wrote...

honestly i couldnt care, the minute i finished all the dlc the character was back in Biowares hands, was nice having a few play throughs with them but the minute i stopped having my fun was the minute they went into biocare.

I'd honestly find it more strange if there was a huge tear in the fade an demons where pouring out all over the place and the warden-commander of ferelden did nothing about it, ohh wait

Wardens fight Darkspawn not Demons, i'm not saying he or she wouldn't do anything about it but it is not necceserily his/her duty. Plus that's probably why both the warden and hawke have vannished. Everything is going to **** and only the inquisition can fix it. 

But seriously as far as I am concerned my Warden is running a bar in antiva with Zevran and bioware can go hang for all I care. 

[Toasted Llama]

There's issues on both sides of the discussion:

Reasons to add the Warden/Hawke:
- They "disappeared", people want closure. As well as the Hero of Ferelden and the possible Viscount of Kirkwall don't "just disappear"
- Male Warden romanced Morrigan and had an OGB with her
- Male Warden married Anora and became king/Female Warden married Alistair and became queen. IF the ruler of Ferelden is involved in the storyline, the King/Queen-Warden should be around. Disappearing is barely plausible for a King or Queen.
- Warden-Commander could have ties with the rumored Grey Warden companion
- I've read rumors about another Blight. If it happens, the Warden is obliged to do something about it
And as I haven't finished DA2, I can't find any reasons for Hawke other than him/her royally pissing off either Templars or Mages and thus being hunted down.

However, before people throw sticks and stones at me for being "pro Warden/Hawke reappearance" I'm very well aware that there are also plenty of (important) reasons to NOT make the Warden/Hawke reappear.
- Bioware could NEVER EVER properly capture the headcanon of most people
- Bioware could most likely never ever re-produce the proper face and hair of the Warden or Hawke
- Bioware could NEVER EVER properly capture the personality of the Warden. Hawke is plausible, but extremely difficult.
- Bioware would have to waste a sh*t load of resources to provide for ALL the variables that are plausible
- I am personally still sceptical about savegames being imported to the next gen consoles. Especially if we're talking about people moving from Xbox 360 to PS4 and PS3 to Xbox One, I highly doubt if it's even plausible
- Look at what happened to Alistair and Zevran in DA2, as well as what happened to Revan in SW:TOR (haven't played SW:KOTOR or SW:TOR, but I've heard enough to trust it's disastrous)

So this is a discussion that's never going to be solved and there are, without a doubt, going to be upset, angry and disappointed people.

[Miltialdes]

At the main question, if it is doable to reapparance the two previous charachter in the story I let that to the appreciation of Bioware.

I can understand the both side only if that doesn't interfere the will of the other side. They don't want the reapparance of the two previous hero, let's that optional.
I am very favorable for their return but first I want life a great story where I can find fun. If there are some real explanation to their non intervention, it is ok then.

[mikeymoonshine]

Toasted Llama wrote...

There's issues on both sides of the discussion:

Reasons to add the Warden/Hawke:
- They "disappeared", people want closure. As well as the Hero of Ferelden and the possible Viscount of Kirkwall don't "just disappear"
- Male Warden romanced Morrigan and had an OGB with her
- Male Warden married Anora and became king/Female Warden married Alistair and became queen. IF the ruler of Ferelden is involved in the storyline, the King/Queen-Warden should be around. Disappearing is barely plausible for a King or Queen.
- Warden-Commander could have ties with the rumored Grey Warden companion
- I've read rumors about another Blight. If it happens, the Warden is obliged to do something about it
And as I haven't finished DA2, I can't find any reasons for Hawke other than him/her royally pissing off either Templars or Mages and thus being hunted down.

However, before people throw sticks and stones at me for being "pro Warden/Hawke reappearance" I'm very well aware that there are also plenty of (important) reasons to NOT make the Warden/Hawke reappear.
- Bioware could NEVER EVER properly capture the headcanon of most people
- Bioware could most likely never ever re-produce the proper face and hair of the Warden or Hawke
- Bioware could NEVER EVER properly capture the personality of the Warden. Hawke is plausible, but extremely difficult.
- Bioware would have to waste a sh*t load of resources to provide for ALL the variables that are plausible
- I am personally still sceptical about savegames being imported to the next gen consoles. Especially if we're talking about people moving from Xbox 360 to PS4 and PS3 to Xbox One, I highly doubt if it's even plausible
- Look at what happened to Alistair and Zevran in DA2, as well as what happened to Revan in SW:TOR (haven't played SW:KOTOR or SW:TOR, but I've heard enough to trust it's disastrous)

So this is a discussion that's never going to be solved and there are, without a doubt, going to be upset, angry and disappointed people.

I feel sorry for Bioware, they are going to ****** off tuns of people whatever they do. 

[Toasted Llama]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

I feel sorry for Bioware, they are going to ****** off tuns of people whatever they do. 

Aye they are... I wish people would just trust Bioware and let it be. I personally have ideas and things I'd like to see, but I'm not going to expect anything and I'll be fine with whatever Bioware throws at me.

[Aaleel]

I just see too many problems with it. If they're not going to be characters that are needed for the story than leave them out. Cameos would just be a waste of everyone's time. If Bioware mentions them in passing it would probably give every Warden and eery Hawke the same fate regardless of what characters chose for them at the end of their respective games.

But if actually put them in the game as characters what do you make them look like, are you just going to have them walking around with helmets on the whole time they're in the game.

The only way I could see it working would be to have the inquisitor ask questions of people and the questions would set the story of what happened to them.

Is it true that the Warden "Insert different options" you pick the one you want, those branch off into other things. Players get to somewhat decide what happened to their characters not solely Bioware.