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[TheKomandorShepard]

esper wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

I'm the only one that thinks that people worry too much about headcanons? Remember, what goes through our heads and what happens in the game is different. Bioware haves their own writing of the series, and thus the story will continue according to what they write. So, it doesn't matter if their personal stories are over. If Bioware thinks they have relevance to the story, then the Warden and Hawke are likely to appear. To me, I just find it anticlimatic for these characters that have such an relevance to the story to be reduced to simple rumors and gossips.

And again, if they don't act like my Hawke and Warden, then what is the point?

They are just some wannabes I have no connection to at all? I won't regonize them, and whatever happens can only bring apathy at best, if it doesn't just induce rage.

It is far, far better for bioware too keep the their words and let the story be about the world. We have already far to many returnees amongst the companions.

True we have much freedom in creating our warden personality we can be everyone from the messiah through anti-hero to complete di*** who kicks dogs just for fun and we choose our personality , also we would decide whether we want stay with wardens or not so it is impossible that they will create our warden it will end like revan. 

Hawke on other side had much less freedom we could only choose between 3 personalities and characer had own traits that bioware forced .

[esper]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

I'm the only one that thinks that people worry too much about headcanons? Remember, what goes through our heads and what happens in the game is different. Bioware haves their own writing of the series, and thus the story will continue according to what they write. So, it doesn't matter if their personal stories are over. If Bioware thinks they have relevance to the story, then the Warden and Hawke are likely to appear. To me, I just find it anticlimatic for these characters that have such an relevance to the story to be reduced to simple rumors and gossips.

And again, if they don't act like my Hawke and Warden, then what is the point?

They are just some wannabes I have no connection to at all? I won't regonize them, and whatever happens can only bring apathy at best, if it doesn't just induce rage.

It is far, far better for bioware too keep the their words and let the story be about the world. We have already far to many returnees amongst the companions.

True we have much freedom in creating our warden personality we can be everyone from the messiah through anti-hero to complete di*** who kicks dogs just for fun and we choose our personality , also we would decide whether we want stay with wardens or not so it is impossible that they will create our warden it will end like revan. 

Hawke on other side had much less freedom we could only choose between 3 personalities and characer had own traits that bioware forced .

Erhm... No, I have had eight different Hawke with a finished personality (I didn't not finish them all and most of them are deleted now, but I had them) and none of them had the same personality.

Main main Hawke is dominatly diplomatic, but she is a burning promage and will react to anything from templar, to the chantry to the suggestion that she wasn't right about everything with aggression and outright violence. Sometimes if she was relaxed wiht friends she could joke, but she rarely did.

That Hawke was completely different from my other Hawke who was also dominantly diplomatic, but reacted with bad jokes every she got upset as a form of deflection. She rarely got angry or violent (She was a healer to the bone).

Both their personalities were canon, because that was pattern in their behaviour supported by the dialog wheel. Nobody forced Hawke to keep to their dominant tone.

[Scott Sion]

All I want is some explanation of what Hake/The Warden are currently up to. It's not as if they died as soon as their story ended (Unless they did in your play through). I also think, in character or not, they're both going to forced to play a role in this war. It doesn't really seem like the type of war that major players would get to "sit out" on.

Modifié par plnero, 20 août 2013 - 09:50 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

esper wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

I'm the only one that thinks that people worry too much about headcanons? Remember, what goes through our heads and what happens in the game is different. Bioware haves their own writing of the series, and thus the story will continue according to what they write. So, it doesn't matter if their personal stories are over. If Bioware thinks they have relevance to the story, then the Warden and Hawke are likely to appear. To me, I just find it anticlimatic for these characters that have such an relevance to the story to be reduced to simple rumors and gossips.

And again, if they don't act like my Hawke and Warden, then what is the point?

They are just some wannabes I have no connection to at all? I won't regonize them, and whatever happens can only bring apathy at best, if it doesn't just induce rage.

It is far, far better for bioware too keep the their words and let the story be about the world. We have already far to many returnees amongst the companions.

True we have much freedom in creating our warden personality we can be everyone from the messiah through anti-hero to complete di*** who kicks dogs just for fun and we choose our personality , also we would decide whether we want stay with wardens or not so it is impossible that they will create our warden it will end like revan. 

Hawke on other side had much less freedom we could only choose between 3 personalities and characer had own traits that bioware forced .

Erhm... No, I have had eight different Hawke with a finished personality (I didn't not finish them all and most of them are deleted now, but I had them) and none of them had the same personality.

Main main Hawke is dominatly diplomatic, but she is a burning promage and will react to anything from templar, to the chantry to the suggestion that she wasn't right about everything with aggression and outright violence. Sometimes if she was relaxed wiht friends she could joke, but she rarely did.

That Hawke was completely different from my other Hawke who was also dominantly diplomatic, but reacted with bad jokes every she got upset as a form of deflection. She rarely got angry or violent (She was a healer to the bone).

Both their personalities were canon, because that was pattern in their behaviour supported by the dialog wheel. Nobody forced Hawke to keep to their dominant tone.

Problem is in that game threat that if you choose as dominant tone for example diplomatic then hawke is diplomatic like in banters in mota or for example dialogue options that are unlocked when you have for example dominant.

[lobotomy42]

I think it would be impossible to bring the Warden back, but Hawke seems doable. Thanks to the icon dialogue in DA2, they could have 3-4 possible "styles" of dialogue from Hawke based on dominant personality trait. Gender and approximate skin color shouldn't be too hard to import and recreate (I would guess.) As for the head/face model...

Well, sometimes people wear helmets. And you could always get creative with the positioning of the "camera" such that we only see Hawke from behind, maybe from the waste down. (Perhaps Hawke is giving a speech as the Inquisitor walks by, and we hear a few lines and see a glance at his/her....feet)

[esper]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

I'm the only one that thinks that people worry too much about headcanons? Remember, what goes through our heads and what happens in the game is different. Bioware haves their own writing of the series, and thus the story will continue according to what they write. So, it doesn't matter if their personal stories are over. If Bioware thinks they have relevance to the story, then the Warden and Hawke are likely to appear. To me, I just find it anticlimatic for these characters that have such an relevance to the story to be reduced to simple rumors and gossips.

And again, if they don't act like my Hawke and Warden, then what is the point?

They are just some wannabes I have no connection to at all? I won't regonize them, and whatever happens can only bring apathy at best, if it doesn't just induce rage.

It is far, far better for bioware too keep the their words and let the story be about the world. We have already far to many returnees amongst the companions.

True we have much freedom in creating our warden personality we can be everyone from the messiah through anti-hero to complete di*** who kicks dogs just for fun and we choose our personality , also we would decide whether we want stay with wardens or not so it is impossible that they will create our warden it will end like revan. 

Hawke on other side had much less freedom we could only choose between 3 personalities and characer had own traits that bioware forced .

Erhm... No, I have had eight different Hawke with a finished personality (I didn't not finish them all and most of them are deleted now, but I had them) and none of them had the same personality.

Main main Hawke is dominatly diplomatic, but she is a burning promage and will react to anything from templar, to the chantry to the suggestion that she wasn't right about everything with aggression and outright violence. Sometimes if she was relaxed wiht friends she could joke, but she rarely did.

That Hawke was completely different from my other Hawke who was also dominantly diplomatic, but reacted with bad jokes every she got upset as a form of deflection. She rarely got angry or violent (She was a healer to the bone).

Both their personalities were canon, because that was pattern in their behaviour supported by the dialog wheel. Nobody forced Hawke to keep to their dominant tone.

Problem is in that game threat that if you choose as dominant tone for example diplomatic then hawke is diplomatic like in banters in mota or for example dialogue options that are unlocked when you have for example dominant.

And so what? Hawke's interaction in banters are a fairly neutral affair, that does not express opions of any kind. And they certainly don't express all dialog.

Involvement with the Inqusition is all other than neutral.

[esper]

lobotomy42 wrote...

I think it would be impossible to bring the Warden back, but Hawke seems doable. Thanks to the icon dialogue in DA2, they could have 3-4 possible "styles" of dialogue from Hawke based on dominant personality trait. Gender and approximate skin color shouldn't be too hard to import and recreate (I would guess.) As for the head/face model...

Well, sometimes people wear helmets. And you could always get creative with the positioning of the "camera" such that we only see Hawke from behind, maybe from the waste down. (Perhaps Hawke is giving a speech as the Inquisitor walks by, and we hear a few lines and see a glance at his/her....feet)

what would the point be of that?
It would not answer any questions. It would only raise more. And it certainly isn't effective as fanservice.

[Reidbynature]

In Exile wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

I personally don't think there will be even half the fuss that some on the BSN would have you believe if the Warden and Hawke turned up.

They will be the fuss. 

There is always fuss.  Whether it would be anything more substantial than the daily postings of some posters I very much doubt it.  Barring one or two drama queens I don't think you'll see the forum have a meltdown.

[In Exile]

Reidbynature wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

I personally don't think there will be even half the fuss that some on the BSN would have you believe if the Warden and Hawke turned up.

They will be the fuss. 

There is always fuss.  Whether it would be anything more substantial than the daily postings of some posters I very much doubt it.  Barring one or two drama queens I don't think you'll see the forum have a meltdown.

There was a pretty big fuss over the lack of racial choices. Depending on what Bioware does, the rage could be massive. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

esper wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

I'm the only one that thinks that people worry too much about headcanons? Remember, what goes through our heads and what happens in the game is different. Bioware haves their own writing of the series, and thus the story will continue according to what they write. So, it doesn't matter if their personal stories are over. If Bioware thinks they have relevance to the story, then the Warden and Hawke are likely to appear. To me, I just find it anticlimatic for these characters that have such an relevance to the story to be reduced to simple rumors and gossips.

And again, if they don't act like my Hawke and Warden, then what is the point?

They are just some wannabes I have no connection to at all? I won't regonize them, and whatever happens can only bring apathy at best, if it doesn't just induce rage.

It is far, far better for bioware too keep the their words and let the story be about the world. We have already far to many returnees amongst the companions.

True we have much freedom in creating our warden personality we can be everyone from the messiah through anti-hero to complete di*** who kicks dogs just for fun and we choose our personality , also we would decide whether we want stay with wardens or not so it is impossible that they will create our warden it will end like revan. 

Hawke on other side had much less freedom we could only choose between 3 personalities and characer had own traits that bioware forced .

Erhm... No, I have had eight different Hawke with a finished personality (I didn't not finish them all and most of them are deleted now, but I had them) and none of them had the same personality.

Main main Hawke is dominatly diplomatic, but she is a burning promage and will react to anything from templar, to the chantry to the suggestion that she wasn't right about everything with aggression and outright violence. Sometimes if she was relaxed wiht friends she could joke, but she rarely did.

That Hawke was completely different from my other Hawke who was also dominantly diplomatic, but reacted with bad jokes every she got upset as a form of deflection. She rarely got angry or violent (She was a healer to the bone).

Both their personalities were canon, because that was pattern in their behaviour supported by the dialog wheel. Nobody forced Hawke to keep to their dominant tone.

Problem is in that game threat that if you choose as dominant tone for example diplomatic then hawke is diplomatic like in banters in mota or for example dialogue options that are unlocked when you have for example dominant.

And so what? Hawke's interaction in banters are a fairly neutral affair, that does not express opions of any kind. And they certainly don't express all dialog.

Involvement with the Inqusition is all other than neutral.

well they do for example diplomatic hawke will call something murder then sarcastic will joke about it that instead murder this is adventure when agressive hawke will call that thursday suggesting that murder is nothing special for him and see this as normal.

[Reidbynature]

In Exile wrote...

There was a pretty big fuss over the lack of racial choices. Depending on what Bioware does, the rage could be massive. 

And if people can get over that and things like Leiliana's appearance ignoring people's playthroughs then I think people by and large will be able to handle a Warden and/or Hawke appearance just fine.

[Il Divo]

Reidbynature wrote...

In Exile wrote...

There was a pretty big fuss over the lack of racial choices. Depending on what Bioware does, the rage could be massive. 

And if people can get over that and things like Leiliana's appearance ignoring people's playthroughs then I think people by and large will be able to handle a Warden and/or Hawke appearance just fine.

Sure, maybe they'll get over it. But it won't make implementation any better of an idea. People were still able to enjoy TOR, despite Bioware completely destroying Revan as a character.

But the point remains, why bother designing crappy content in the first place?

[In Exile]

Reidbynature wrote...

And if people can get over that and things like Leiliana's appearance ignoring people's playthroughs then I think people by and large will be able to handle a Warden and/or Hawke appearance just fine.

Why do you think people got over either of those things? People complain about that constantly, and we all show the rage over DA2. 

[Sjpelke]

Some (spoken) reference in DAI about their 'archievements' would be more than sufficient for me. Their importance belongs to their part of the story in Thedas. Their role has been played.

[Reidbynature]

Il Divo wrote...

But the point remains, why bother designing crappy content in the first place?

And what's the point in engaging with you when you've already made up your mind it's crappy without seeing or knowing it?

In Exile wrote...

Why do you think people got over either of those things? People complain about that constantly, and we all show the rage over DA2. 

I don't see much rage to be honest. I don't see that many really complaining these days either. Not for the sake it. Many are just offering criticisms because they know Inquisition is being worked on and want to voice what they don't want to see in Inquisition.

Plus I don't put much stock in the posters who type like they froth at the mouth. Nor do I pretend they are representative of the majority. Some may still rage, but most will have moved on.

[Il Divo]

Reidbynature wrote...

And what's the point in engaging with you when you've already made up your mind it's crappy without seeing or knowing it?

Better question: why take the chance? By the time I see it, it will be too late and resources will have been wasted.

Again, Revan was about the worst handling of a Bioware character I've ever seen and he was a PC. Any inclusion of either the Hawke or the Warden will either overshadow the Inquisitor, result in a non-satisfying cameo, or fail in some other way.

[addiction21]

They have both had their time in the spot light. Unless I will be PLAYING as my Wardens or Hawkes I have no interest in them.

[Angrywolves]

I don't think they're coming.
Wouldn't bother me if they came back.
Don't believe Bioware wants them back.
If we learn their fates ee'll be lucky.

[draken-heart]

People do not want their old characters to overshadow their current ones. Easiest way to remedy that:

Either mention them only or disguise them and have Hawke's VA do the voice but do not name them Hawke/Champion of Kirkwall or Hero of Ferelden/The Warden/Commander of the Grey of Ferelden, or some such title.

Modifié par draken-heart, 21 août 2013 - 10:50 .

[Slacker387]

I love how everyone in discussion have valid points and they support those points quite well.
I would like my Warden and Hawke to have some inclusion in the story. Warden is Warden Commander or Hero Of Ferelden and Hawke is the Champion Of Kirkwall. They made decisions that effected their surroundings and beyond. I have faith I will see these decisions play out in Inquisition but I would like my Warden and Hawke to make some form of, "Hey, we are alive and we're in this fight just as much as you are but from our own fronts. Even if you don't see us and hear scarcely about our efforts we are still fighting."
And IMO it would be awesome to have at the end or at some point in the story where there is a important battle that the Inquisitor, Hawke, and The Warden are sending messages to each other asking for assisstance in their plans while they fight on their separate fronts on a coordinated attack by the enemy or their respective enemies. Warden needs some Inquisitors for this flank, Hawke could need Inquisitors to aid in a distraction so that Hawke could sneak by and obtain a plot item that is in enemy hands he/she is working on their end.
If something like this happened I would be overly satisfied. But if I just hear about them I would have no complaints. No need to see them or hear about decisions they made that make me go "My Warden/Hawke would never do that!"

Modifié par Slacker387, 22 août 2013 - 04:03 .

[nolanie911]

 I really want to see Hawke and the Warden return, but it's going to go crazy with the mods I'm using. Especially since the Devs said there won't be a toolset with Frostbite so I'll be unable to fix them.