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[iOnlySignIn]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

So it's okay to screw people over provided their choice was unpopular?

It's called a reasonable marketing decision.

The same reason why Garrus can't die till the end game in ME2/3.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 août 2013 - 01:16 .

[Xilizhra]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm kind of surprised by Jacob. Thane and Miranda were new ME2 romances that had a hint that they could just be temporary (whether it was Thane's illness or some of the presentation in how Miranda comes off like a fling). From what I can tell from Jacob, he seems more serious and longterm, like Jack. So it's weird he didn't get the same treatment as Jack.

Miranda's fanbase was far too large and volatile for that to work, so I'm not surprised they didn't do it there. Jacob, though, doesn't seem to have much of an explanation.

[David7204]

The point of having Jacob leave Shepard was to show that characters aren't hopelessly dependent on her. That they can exist and function and their own. Something that fans supposedly want.

Jacob was the obvious choice.

Modifié par David7204, 20 août 2013 - 01:21 .

[HellbirdIV]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I just realized that Garrus can't die in ME3, other than the beam run.

Pfft, this is the problem with plot-armor.

I don't get this notion, really.

Who cares if characters can't die as part of some random and irrelevant setpiece? It's not like the game forces you to interact with them. Not even Liara aside from ... 2 missions, I think, and post-mission debriefing talk.

I'm honestly quite okay with characters I don't much like being around. That's why I kept Sten and Morrigan on my DA:O run, despite the fact they're about as much fun as hitting myself in the dick with a rock.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm kind of surprised by Jacob. Thane and Miranda were new ME2 romances that had a hint that they could just be temporary (whether it was Thane's illness or some of the presentation in how Miranda comes off like a fling). From what I can tell from Jacob, he seems more serious and longterm, like Jack. So it's weird he didn't get the same treatment as Jack.

Miranda's fanbase was far too large and volatile for that to work, so I'm not surprised they didn't do it there. Jacob, though, doesn't seem to have much of an explanation.

CHud's vision failed to come about because of our dedication

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

The point of having Jacob leave Shepard was to show that characters aren't hopelessly dependent on her. That they can exist and function and their own. Something that fans supposedly want.

Jacob was the obvious choice.

No it was becuase BioWare didn't want to spend resources for it

[Xilizhra]

David7204 wrote...

The point of having Jacob leave Shepard was to show that characters aren't hopeless dependent on her. That they can exist and function and their own. Something that fans supposedly want.

Jacob was the obvious choice.

Independence is generally considered a positive trait, whereas cheating is not, so I'm pretty sure that it could be reasonably surmised that fans were asking for a positive trait that was not a negative one.

CHud's vision failed to come about because of our dedication

Don't be too proud of yourself, you people got the character forum shut down.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 août 2013 - 01:23 .

[David7204]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I just realized that Garrus can't die in ME3, other than the beam run.

Pfft, this is the problem with plot-armor.

Plot armor is not 'any character who can't be killed in a game where some characters can be killed.'

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

The point of having Jacob leave Shepard was to show that characters aren't hopelessly dependent on her. That they can exist and function and their own. Something that fans supposedly want.

Jacob was the obvious choice.

Or it's the fact that Bioware admitted that they dropped the ball on Jacob as a romace 

[Xilizhra]

Preeeeeeetty sure that TMH was joking with the line about Garrus.

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

The point of having Jacob leave Shepard was to show that characters aren't hopeless dependent on her. That they can exist and function and their own. Something that fans supposedly want.

Jacob was the obvious choice.

Which makes sense if he is just a squaddie. Now imagine someone who didn't romance anybody in ME and romanced Jacob in ME2. ME3 must've felt good.
My point is - "independent" characters are good. A romanced Jacob took a responsibility by engaging in a relationship. Instead, he talks about "spilling drinks on the Citadel", "do you feel it?", cheats on your Shepard and knocks up a random NPC. To make this complete they should've made him love Kool-Aid and watermelon and dump his baby momma. 

[iOnlySignIn]

David7204 wrote...

The point of having Jacob leave Shepard was to show that characters aren't hopelessly dependent on her. That they can exist and function and their own. Something that fans supposedly want.

Jacob was the obvious choice.

Miranda, Garrus, Mordin, Liara, Wrex, Javik, Samara, Kasumi, Zaeed already showed that emphatically.

Even Grunt showed that in ME3 (while still being less than two years old) if you did his rite of passage.

The only hopelessly dependent squadmates are:

- VS: Fails on the Citadel and dies without Shepard's intervention

- Tali: Fails at everything and dies without Shepard's help

- Legion: Sold for scrap without Shepard's intervention and/or die in ME3 without Shepard's help

- Jack: Gets captured and brainwashed in ME3 without Shepard's help

- Thane: Dies miserably without Shepard's help. With Shepard's help he dies happily - how different that is is debatable.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 août 2013 - 01:39 .

[CynicalShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

CynicalShep lives up to his name.

I'll take that as a compliment 

[ShepnTali]

Virmire was all the foreshadowing I needed for potential death for anybody.

[devilsgrin]

I guess i'm a heathen then, since i intentionally meta-gamed my latest (and still current) playthrough, to kill off not only Garrus, but Tali too.

There is only one point in ME3 where a current squadmate can die (pro-Geth Tali-death) - except during the beam run (and even then only if you don't have EC, since the Normandy picks them up iirc). Would have been more interesting if they could...

Modifié par devilsgrin, 20 août 2013 - 01:40 .

[David7204]

Virmire gave you a choice. You weren't forced to kill your love interest.

[Steelcan]

David can you say something I will be forced to disagree with so I can get this unpleasant taste out of my mouth.