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Theory: Vivienne is Morrigan's real mother?


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Taleroth wrote...

I've never heard of Morgan le Fay being the daughter of Vivienne.

I've heard of Morgan being named Vivian. And the Lady of the Lake being named Vivian. Never that one was the daughter of the other.


I have to echo this statement. I heard of the Lady of the Lake being named Vivienne or Vivian (along with a host of other names) but never Morgana's mother. They share no connection beyond being key figures in Arthurian legend.

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Of those three, I'm inclined to believe that she has possessed someone.

It's Varric, I just know it.

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Taleroth wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Of those three, I'm inclined to believe that she has possessed someone.

It's Varric, I just know it.


Maybe she was Varric the whole time that Hawke was in Kirkwall. :blink:

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No chance and you don't need to be old to be the First Enchanter, also Morrigan is somewhere in between 33-43+ depending on how old she was in DAO.

Vivienne isn't Flemeth either, exactly how do people come up with things like this.


That's a point how old is morrigan? Gaider describes her as a teenaged girl in the article about her so I am assumuing she was like 18-19? allthough she seemed older to me.  So there is the year with the warden + ten years when we were with hawke or is it nine years because the first year was the same year as in origins? 

Inquisition is meant to take place three years after DA2 which makes her about 31 or 32 so yeah at least 30. 

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XGrlGamerX wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

What if Vivienne is Flemeth?


She is wearing that pointy hat to hide her horns! haha 

What if Flemeth is a qunari? :blink:

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I've got a theory...


...it could be bunnies.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

I've got a theory...


...it could be bunnies.


Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses ... and what's with all the carrots?! Why do they need such good eye-sight for anyway?! Bunnies, bunnies it must be bunnieeeeeees!!!

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The Warden's mabari is actually Morrigan's real mother.

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thats1evildude wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I've never heard of Morgan le Fay being the daughter of Vivienne.

I've heard of Morgan being named Vivian. And the Lady of the Lake being named Vivian. Never that one was the daughter of the other.


I have to echo this statement. I heard of the Lady of the Lake being named Vivienne or Vivian (along with a host of other names) but never Morgana's mother. They share no connection beyond being key figures in Arthurian legend.


The only times I've ever heard of Morgan le Fay's mother, she is named as Ygerna, specifically, Arthur's mother

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phunx wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I've got a theory...


...it could be bunnies.


Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses ... and what's with all the carrots?! Why do they need such good eye-sight for anyway?! Bunnies, bunnies it must be bunnieeeeeees!!!


...:huh:

...it could be midgets.

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Pretty much what Mary said.
"Morgan is said to be the daughter of Arthur's mother, the Lady Igraine, and her first husband, Gorlois, Duke of Cornwall, so that Arthur (son of Igraine and Uther Pendragon) is her half-brother."

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I thought Morrigan´s name inspiration came from a ¿celtic? deity, not Morgana

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mikeymoonshine wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

No chance and you don't need to be old to be the First Enchanter, also Morrigan is somewhere in between 33-43+ depending on how old she was in DAO.

Vivienne isn't Flemeth either, exactly how do people come up with things like this.


That's a point how old is morrigan? Gaider describes her as a teenaged girl in the article about her so I am assumuing she was like 18-19? allthough she seemed older to me.  So there is the year with the warden + ten years when we were with hawke or is it nine years because the first year was the same year as in origins? 

Inquisition is meant to take place three years after DA2 which makes her about 31 or 32 so yeah at least 30. 


She has childish qualities about her and said she was young but that's very vague and i doubt she was younger than 20 and no older than 30 so 21-31 at the end of DAO, DA:I takes place about 13 years after that so 34-44 but this depends on her age.

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What if Flemeth is actually David Gaider?

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I did once hear someone theorize that Flemeth was Alistair's mother, which would basically make an Old God Child fathered by Alistair into Mordred.

It was amusing, if far-fetched.

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Spectre slayer wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

No chance and you don't need to be old to be the First Enchanter, also Morrigan is somewhere in between 33-43+ depending on how old she was in DAO.

Vivienne isn't Flemeth either, exactly how do people come up with things like this.


That's a point how old is morrigan? Gaider describes her as a teenaged girl in the article about her so I am assumuing she was like 18-19? allthough she seemed older to me.  So there is the year with the warden + ten years when we were with hawke or is it nine years because the first year was the same year as in origins? 

Inquisition is meant to take place three years after DA2 which makes her about 31 or 32 so yeah at least 30. 


She has childish qualities about her and said she was young but that's very vague and i doubt she was younger than 20 and no older than 30 so 21-31 at the end of DAO, DA:I takes place about 13 years after that so 34-44 but this depends on her age.


"[I’d] make her a teenage girl who just resents her mother. [She’s] completely blunt because she doesn’t like that her mother talks in circles,” Gaider says."

I guess that could just be metaphorical of her character  I would still she she's at most in her mid twenties in origins. 

but whatever the fact is viv would have to be like 50 or 60 to be her mother.

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Mary Kirby wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I've never heard of Morgan le Fay being the daughter of Vivienne.

I've heard of Morgan being named Vivian. And the Lady of the Lake being named Vivian. Never that one was the daughter of the other.


I have to echo this statement. I heard of the Lady of the Lake being named Vivienne or Vivian (along with a host of other names) but never Morgana's mother. They share no connection beyond being key figures in Arthurian legend.


The only times I've ever heard of Morgan le Fay's mother, she is named as Ygerna, specifically, Arthur's mother


Perhaps I've mixed up the names with the actually mythology? It was awhile that I looked this up, but I do know (even though its a useless point) that in the show "Merlin", Morgana's mother was named Vivienne. 

As I stated, tis a theory and fun to speculate. 

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Yeah, faithful to Arthurian lore "Merlin" was not.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 août 2013 - 08:12 .


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Guys, what if John Hurt is a dragon???

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mikeymoonshine wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

No chance and you don't need to be old to be the First Enchanter, also Morrigan is somewhere in between 33-43+ depending on how old she was in DAO.

Vivienne isn't Flemeth either, exactly how do people come up with things like this.


That's a point how old is morrigan? Gaider describes her as a teenaged girl in the article about her so I am assumuing she was like 18-19? allthough she seemed older to me.  So there is the year with the warden + ten years when we were with hawke or is it nine years because the first year was the same year as in origins? 

Inquisition is meant to take place three years after DA2 which makes her about 31 or 32 so yeah at least 30. 


She has childish qualities about her and said she was young but that's very vague and i doubt she was younger than 20 and no older than 30 so 21-31 at the end of DAO, DA:I takes place about 13 years after that so 34-44 but this depends on her age.


"[I’d] make her a teenage girl who just resents her mother. [She’s] completely blunt because she doesn’t like that her mother talks in circles,” Gaider says."

I guess that could just be metaphorical of her character  I would still she she's at most in her mid twenties in origins. 

but whatever the fact is viv would have to be like 50 or 60 to be her mother.


Well age of Morrigan is hard to define since we don't know how old she was in DAO which is why I put a ten year range+ the 13 years that passed since DAO ended.

DAO took place over the course of a year, DA2 story took place over a 10 year period and DA:I starts 3 years after that so a total of 14 years have gone by in the DA universe 32-45 would be a good age range.
 
I agree with you Viviane would need to be older but it would probably be over 50-65 to work right, and Viviane doesn't look very old so i'm going to estimate that she's probably in between 30-45 which would be about the same age as Morrigan but who knows.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 19 août 2013 - 09:53 .


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syllogi wrote...

Guys, what if John Hurt is a dragon???


I thought he was the Doctor.

Or Professor Bruttenholm.

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thats1evildude wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Guys, what if John Hurt is a dragon???


I thought he was the Doctor.

Or Professor Bruttenholm.


Oh, he's all of those things.  But if Dragon Age was ever to have talking dragons (other than Flemeth), he'd be the man for the job.

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I'm almost certain that Morrigan is based on The Morrígan, a Celtic goddess of war, not necessarily Morgan le Fay (who some have tried to connect with The Morrigan.) When I decided to read up on it, I was taken by some of the information which could be directly applied to Morrigan. Dagda approached The Morrigan and asked for her help. She gave him plan for battle in exchange for a tryst. Bit like Morrigan offering to help The Warden survive dealing the final blow to the Archdemon in exchange for the OGB.

I don't see Viv being her mother, it wouldn't really make any sense to me as she's probably younger than, or the same age as Morri. I'm convinced Morrigan is an offshoot of Flemeth, similar to the amulet malarkey in DA2. That or a child of one of Flemeth's other daughter's.

Modifié par ames4u, 19 août 2013 - 08:21 .


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Morgan le Fey's mother is Lady Igraine.

You may be half-remembering The Mists of Avalon where Viviane was Morgan's aunt and was the one who made her a priestess and got her to sleep with Arthur.

ames4u wrote...

I'm almost certain that Morrigan is based on The Morrígan, a Celtic goddess of war, not necessarily Morgan le Fay...

David has said he took the name from a woman in one of his RPG groups.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 19 août 2013 - 08:40 .


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Didn't David Gaider say there was no significance to Morrigan's name, other than he liked the sound of it?

Vivienne sounds french and pretty. I have a feeling that was the basis of choosing that name for her.