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[Wulfram]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

If you want to get into arthurian analogies then:

Maric = Uther
Alistair = Arthur
Morrigan = Morgause
OGB = Mordred, conceived in accidental incest.

Except in some legends he's concieved diliberatly by her tricking Arthur,others made by magic then there's the one where he raped her.

Also in the original legends Morgan and Morgause are different women with Morgan being Arthur's barely mentioned sister and a healer who heals his knights and Morgause as an evil witch who covets the throne...It was only  in later versions that they were combined into Morgan Le Fay along with adding Guinivere and Lancelot's*or Gawain's in some versions* affair.

True, there's a bunch of versions, but I think the mythic resonance is still there.  If you buy the theory that Morrigan is Maric's child, anyway.

Maybe I just want the Dark Ritual to be the sin that brings down "Camelot" because my canon didn't do it.

[leaguer of one]

Wulfram wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

If you want to get into arthurian analogies then:

Maric = Uther
Alistair = Arthur
Morrigan = Morgause
OGB = Mordred, conceived in accidental incest.

Except in some legends he's concieved diliberatly by her tricking Arthur,others made by magic then there's the one where he raped her.

Also in the original legends Morgan and Morgause are different women with Morgan being Arthur's barely mentioned sister and a healer who heals his knights and Morgause as an evil witch who covets the throne...It was only  in later versions that they were combined into Morgan Le Fay along with adding Guinivere and Lancelot's*or Gawain's in some versions* affair.

True, there's a bunch of versions, but I think the mythic resonance is still there.  If you buy the theory that Morrigan is Maric's child, anyway.

Maybe I just want the Dark Ritual to be the sin that brings down "Camelot" because my canon didn't do it.

But there is nothing like Camelot in DA.

[Fast Jimmy]

^

Par Vollen...?

[Wulfram]

leaguer of one wrote...

But there is nothing like Camelot in DA.

Well, in this situation, it would be Fereldan under Alistair.  Probably with a Queen Cousland since that's the best guess for why he ended up doing the ritual.

Which means we need a Lancelot for Queen Cousland to have an affair with.  Lancelot is French, so someone Orlesian - Leliana!

(OK, I'm getting silly.  I'll try to stop hijacking the thread now)

[Shadow Fox]

Wulfram wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

But there is nothing like Camelot in DA.

Well, in this situation, it would be Fereldan under Alistair.  Probably with a Queen Cousland since that's the best guess for why he ended up doing the ritual.

Which means we need a Lancelot for Queen Cousland to have an affair with.  Lancelot is French, so someone Orlesian - Leliana!

(OK, I'm getting silly.  I'll try to stop hijacking the thread now)

Except depending on how you played Cousland can be Alistair's Lancelot herself.:wizard:

[leaguer of one]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

But there is nothing like Camelot in DA.

Well, in this situation, it would be Fereldan under Alistair.  Probably with a Queen Cousland since that's the best guess for why he ended up doing the ritual.

Which means we need a Lancelot for Queen Cousland to have an affair with.  Lancelot is French, so someone Orlesian - Leliana!

(OK, I'm getting silly.  I'll try to stop hijacking the thread now)

Except depending on how you played Cousland can be Alistair's Lancelot herself.:wizard:

Or any Warden Commander. It can even invert and warden Commander has an affair with Alistar.(The female wardens that is.)

[Han Shot First]

I think Morrigan was some poor Chasind (or half Ferelden/Chasind) child abducted from her parents.

[Alikain]

I can see Vivienne been one of the witch of the wild. In other words sister to Morrigan but not her mother.

[Zack_Nero]

no, I don't think so

[Taleroth]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Morrigan was some poor Chasind (or half Ferelden/Chasind) child abducted from her parents.

Then why does she look so much like her sister?

[Ozzy]

Interesting theory but like has been pointed out, you seem to have gotten your Arthurian mythology a bit mixed up. 

Lord Raijin wrote...

What if Flemeth is actually David Gaider?

I know this is a joke but something similar has happened in a series of books albeit not from Bioware. In the final book of a trilogy (that was heavy on mythology, reincarnation etc), the author actually inserted herself into the story as the reincarnation/alternate reality counterpart of the protagonist. Never have I quickly been turned off a series, lol. 

[Direwolf0294]

Morrigan is Flemeth's last horcrux.

[Fredward]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Morrigan is Flemeth's last horcrux.

This analogy is actually pretty apt.

[Mimitochan]

The Morrigan is actually an Irish / Celtic deity that probably influenced Morgan's myth.

Morgan's mother is Ygerna.

[Arakat]

Wulfram wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

But there is nothing like Camelot in DA.

Well, in this situation, it would be Fereldan under Alistair.  Probably with a Queen Cousland since that's the best guess for why he ended up doing the ritual.

Which means we need a Lancelot for Queen Cousland to have an affair with.  Lancelot is French, so someone Orlesian - Leliana!

(OK, I'm getting silly.  I'll try to stop hijacking the thread now)

I know this is not relevant to the discussion at hand, but I'm not sure how the bolded is the most probable reason. Any female Warden who doesn't want anyone to sacrifice themselves has to convince either Alistair or Loghain to do the ritual. I know my Warden only did it to save her own hide

More on-topic (but not much), I actually thought Dragon Age was some kind of adaptation of King Arthur's myth before I played Origins - mostly because I knew it had a sorceress named Morrigan who takes part in some kind of ritual. I'm a huge fan of The Mists of Avalon, so that was one the reasons I even picked up the game in the first place. So yeah, the parallels would be fascinating.

Modifié par arakat, 20 août 2013 - 12:09 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

leaguer of one wrote...

dc_unoxx wrote...

Though if they threw it at us now it would seem forced, Alistair and Morrigan being siblings would actually be amusing. They bicker like siblings already.

If you read stone throne, You find that Alitars father spends a night in Flemith's hut. What they did is never explained but it's stated that Flemith had 2 request the Maric(Alistars' father)Had to do and not talk about it with any one.

Holy ****. I've never, ever put that together before. Even if it's not true the fact that it's even a possibility lends an entirely new context for Alistair and Morrigan's dynamic.

You just blew my mind.

[Mimitochan]

*shudders*
I hope they're not siblings.
I sure hope OGB doesn't end up being incestuous depending on your Warden.

[TK514]

You'd be reaching if Morrigan had anything to do with Morgan la Fay
You'd be reaching if Vivienne was Morgan la Fay's mother

As neither of these things is even remotely true, you are not reaching, you're just wrong by reason of false premise.

Happens to all of us, now and again.

[Angrywolves]

uh no.

[vortex216]

WHO IS VIVIENNE?!

[Eidolion]

Why are people saying Morrigan is in her 40s now? She was a teenage girl in Origins, and Inquisition is like 13 years after Origins. That'd put her at like 29-32-ish. Watch the recent Morrigan video about designing her.

And Alistair and Morrigan can't be siblings, Alistair is older then her and if his promise to Flemeth was to give her a child it'd make her older then what she was in the game. =/

Modifié par Eidolion, 21 août 2013 - 10:54 .

[Maria Caliban]

No, Morrigan was not a teenager in Origins.

vortex216 wrote...

WHO IS VIVIENNE?!

She's a companion in DA:I. A mage who was going to become First Enchanter.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 août 2013 - 11:04 .

[Eidolion]

But, did they not say themselves in the video that she was a teenager?

Gaider wanted players to wonder what she was talking about every time she opened her mouth, but soon decided with the team that the whimsical Morrigan just wasn’t working. Gaider had to completely rewrite her, and he liked the idea of having a character speak obtusely, so he came up with a compromise. “I decided rather than make her like Flemeth, [I’d] make her a teenage girl who just resents her mother. [She’s] completely blunt because she doesn’t like that her mother talks in circles,” Gaider says.

That's from the Game Informer stuff

[Mary Kirby]

Eidolion wrote...

But, did they not say themselves in the video that she was a teenager?

Gaider wanted players to wonder what she was talking about every time she opened her mouth, but soon decided with the team that the whimsical Morrigan just wasn’t working. Gaider had to completely rewrite her, and he liked the idea of having a character speak obtusely, so he came up with a compromise. “I decided rather than make her like Flemeth, [I’d] make her a teenage girl who just resents her mother. [She’s] completely blunt because she doesn’t like that her mother talks in circles,” Gaider says.

That's from the Game Informer stuff

He's talking about her personality. She is not a teenager in Origins.