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[Chari]

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

This is nor a Sim Dating game and Bioware are not Gods who can do anything. Resources are the problem. Making 11 characters instead of 9 just for LI is bothersome even for plot
Cassandra has shown that she is interested in men. Canon, no matter how much you hate/love anime DotS. Bi or straight
Making all bi is simply cheap writing and unrealstic. 
You make every romance and it's content unique meaning that sexuality isn't there for being there. It is a result of biological attraction, personality, backstory, values and norms one believes in. It is not a colourful dress which you can change every day depending on your mood
Lelianna and Zevran are perfet examples of bi/gay characters. They're from Antiva and Orlais, one bard, another a Crow. Such thing is almost a norm there. Alister and Garrus are perfect examples od straight characters. They don't mind bi and gays but they are simply not interested in it.
So, quality >quanity

Personally I want to flirt with Varrik and Iron Bull. Just for fun or lolz XD

I agree that this is not a dating sim, but as someone who wants to engage in the romance subplots, you should understand why it is important to other players as well.  Here's the issue with only 2 straight and 2 bi LI's:

1.)  That means that there are only 2 of each gender
2.)  That means that there is only 1 option for each gender for same sex romance
3.)  That means that I don't get any choice in the romance and either have to romance someone who I'm not interested in or not enjoy a romance, which I do
4.)  That also means that "straight" romancers get an option, which seems unfair to me.  Why give "straight" options but not "gay" options?

For me, it's about equity.  I don't have a problem with the way that they did it in ME3.  I actually think it was a great way to implement it.  Multiple male and female romances for both "straight" and "gay" characters.  Were some of them more well developed?  Yes, but that's not as much of an issue for me.  I want a choice, the same way that other players get one.  That's really all I'm asking for. 

The "all bi" thing doesn't bother me as much because I don't view the character as existing outside of that particular playthrough.  So to me, Anders isn't "bi" except in a male Hawke playthrough.  In a female Hawke playthrough, he's straight.  Same with Fenris.  Same with Merrill (except reversed).  The only true "bi" characters were Leliana, Zevran, and Isabela (and Anders in a male Hawke game).

I do, however, agree that characters shouldn't be added in just to be a romance option.  Traynor and Chambers had roles that made sense to me, so I didn't mind them.  Steve was a bit more questionable.  He does feel like he's just there to be a gay romance option.  Now I think that he fills an important role in that way, but it did feel a bit tacked on.

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is. And since DA is not some fanservice anime or visual novel but a an alive world full of quite alive and realistic people, characters there are not for fanservice but for the lore and plot. Meaning that it won't please everyone. It is too resourceful. Adding two gay Lis would be perfect but then they'd either have to choose from the rest of the group (An Iron Bull, everyone XD?) or make characters solely for LI purpose. Wanna 11 companions? Nice, but damn hard to make. 

Headcanons are trash anyway... no offense, but some things are canon no matter what the player does. Anders is bi, Merril is bi, Isabella is bi and so is Fenris. It is canon (retcon, retcon everywhere). Meaning that gay and straight LIs suddenly don't exist anymore. And that's no less offensive than making all characters straight or gay. Not to mention this is simply cheap. Instead of making all romances significant and quality-high they make them all repetative and crude.
Romance Lelianna as a girl, romance her as a man. Two different romances, almost. Same with Zevran.
Romance anybody from DA2 as either gender and you even get the same frigging animation
Yes, you can't romance Alistair as a man or Morrigan... but please, respect the characters as you do real people. They are simply not bi or gay and this is their way of life. Just like Samantha and Cortez are gay and they are not interested in the opposite gender. They are not Chobits, they're... well, pixel versions of real people, not made for sex fantasies
This is why ME handled it much better. Not perfectly, mind you (two m!gays and two straight LIs for girls in ME3???). They gave an impression of real people. Some are nice, some are dumb, some are clever, some are stupid, some are sweet, some are rude, some are straight, some are bi or gay

[daveliam]

Yikes. This thread is getting waaaay off topic. Can we not discuss the statistics of sexuality? I'm not sure it's relevant to the love interest conversation. It's starting to get a bit pointed in tone right now.

[coldSnap]

As much as I like Zevran, I didn't like think his being bisexual was legitimate. From his backstory it just seemed he was with men for his job and nothing more. Like it was something he was taught to like. And if ask anyone in the LGBT community, they will say that their sexuality is something that they're just born with, not taught.

I romance him regardless, but the reason for his sexual fluidity was always bothersome.

Leliana and Izzy we're believable enough though.

Point being is if they decide to not do the playersexual thing, and go the more defined sexuality route then make them more believable please

[billy the squid]

Blackrising wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Homosexuals only make up 5% of the population (at most) it's only natural there would be an unequal distribution.

Sure if you count the ones that are in the closet. LOL @ the number.
We've discussed so many times to why this % is flawed but whatever, believe what you want. If you think sexuality is only black and white.

Of course, using what? The kinsley reports? Pffffft. What a joke. Statistically they are massively flawed and so are the revisions. It's a good example of statistics being meaningless numbers when the underlying data corrupts the result.

Most modern census reports carried out globally by each country, which are confidential in many cases, not suffering from self selection bias, rarely exceed 5% on average of the total population in major metropolitan areas, although it can increase slightly above 10% in particular cities.

So if you're going to use the equal representation argument, it's rather flawed and a moot point.

Actually, I think it's based on experience.
Sexuality isn't all black and white, and someone identifying as one thing often doesn't mean they won't go for the other from time to time.
When people ask me about my sexuality, I say that I am a lesbian. Does that mean I have never felt attracted to a guy before? No. Does that mean there is no chance at all that I might end up marrying a guy? No.
I simply don't bother explaining myself because most people aren't gonna understand anyway, not to mention that it's none of their business.

I'd also like to point out that this is a discussion we've had many times before and experience tells me this topic will be shut down before long if we continue down this path.

Your experience isn't statistical data. And most statistic data is rarely as clear cut as you suggest, and given the variations between the decision even asking have they been attracted or experienced an event. Even if they don't identify themselves as such, the data of millions of people collated still rarely exceeds 5% on average across a population sample.

[daveliam]

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is. And since DA is not some fanservice anime or visual novel but a an alive world full of quite alive and realistic people, characters there are not for fanservice but for the lore and plot. Meaning that it won't please everyone. It is too resourceful. Adding two gay Lis would be perfect but then they'd either have to choose from the rest of the group (An Iron Bull, everyone XD?) or make characters solely for LI purpose. Wanna 11 companions? Nice, but damn hard to make. 

Headcanons are trash anyway... no offense, but some things are canon no matter what the player does. Anders is bi, Merril is bi, Isabella is bi and so is Fenris. It is canon (retcon, retcon everywhere). Meaning that gay and straight LIs suddenly don't exist anymore. And that's no less offensive than making all characters straight or gay. Not to mention this is simply cheap. Instead of making all romances significant and quality-high they make them all repetative and crude.
Romance Lelianna as a girl, romance her as a man. Two different romances, almost. Same with Zevran.
Romance anybody from DA2 as either gender and you even get the same frigging animation
Yes, you can't romance Alistair as a man or Morrigan... but please, respect the characters as you do real people. They are simply not bi or gay and this is their way of life. Just like Samantha and Cortez are gay and they are not interested in the opposite gender. They are not Chobits, they're... well, pixel versions of real people, not made for sex fantasies
This is why ME handled it much better. Not perfectly, mind you (two m!gays and two straight LIs for girls in ME3???). They gave an impression of real people. Some are nice, some are dumb, some are clever, some are stupid, some are sweet, some are rude, some are straight, some are bi or gay

So why can't there be two options for gay Inquisitors?  They don't need to be "gay" (as opposed to "bi").  I think it was done well in ME3.  Kaidan is bi and Steve is gay.  I get a choice and I don't see how that's a problem at all.  Why couldn't there be two male (we only have ONE confirmed male party member at this point) companions available to male characters?  Why is that an issue?

Also, can you please point me to the retcon that indicates that Anders, Merrill, and Fenris are bi?  I'm not being shady; I'm actually asking because I haven't seen any other source material that indicates that they are interested in other characters (outside of Hawke) of the same gender.  If I see that, then clearly, it's a different story.

Either way, however, I don't see a problem with giving all four options (same sex and opposite sex for both genders) choice in the romances.  It doesn't have to limit any other person's gaming in any way, so why is it an issue?

Modifié par daveliam, 30 août 2013 - 04:38 .

[Chari]

Nyneve wrote...

Lelianna and Zevran are perfet examples of bi/gay characters. They're from Antiva and Orlais, one bard, another a Crow. Such thing is almost a norm there. Alister and Garrus are perfect examples od straight characters. They don't mind bi and gays but they are simply not interested in it.

You realize that bi people don't behave in one single stereotypical way, right? Just as straight people don't. There aren't personalities that "fit" a certain sexuality better.

I didn't say a thing about their personality types. I said that their sexuality was influenced not by fanservice alone but also their backstories, life choices, biological attraction and culture of their homelands. Just like in real life
They're good characters, feel alive and their LI and sexuality doesn't seem to be forced by pure fanservice. 

On the theme, I guess that Vivienne will be Bi for sure. Orlesian and stuff... Dorian - likely. If they ever return to people being straight or gay then I'd guess that Cassandra and Cullen will be straight... for gay... it's hard to say since we know only about three companions for sure. I'd guess Sera and eh... that guy with moustache. I don't know. Varrik has Bianca and Iron Bull... I don't wanna imagine that :.D

[Vapaa]

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is.

You're hiding behind how "it's like how life" is to justify why LI should have gender restrictions, but then why don't we have other restrictions ? Does Morrigan not have any kind of beauty standards, or don't mind going out with a Templar ?

Gender restriction as the ONLY restriction is double standards

[billy the squid]

KaidanLover wrote...

As much as I like Zevran, I didn't like think his being bisexual was legitimate. From his backstory it just seemed he was with men for his job and nothing more. Like it was something he was taught to like. And if ask anyone in the LGBT community, they will say that their sexuality is something that they're just born with, not taught.

I romance him regardless, but the reason for his sexual fluidity was always bothersome.

Leliana and Izzy we're believable enough though.

Point being is if they decide to not do the playersexual thing, and go the more defined sexuality route then make them more believable please

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

[daveliam]

billy the squid wrote...

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

I always perceived him as being bi, but clearly preferring females.  It's actually a bit of an issue for me that he constantly flirts with female characters DURING his same sex romance.  

[billy the squid]

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is.

You're hiding behind how "it's like how life" is to justify why LI should have gender restrictions, but then why don't we have other restrictions ? Does Morrigan not have any kind of beauty standards, or don't mind going out with a Templar ?

Gender restriction as the ONLY restriction is double standards

Gender restriction is fine if done properly. I also think a major flaw in things like the Anders Romance is the disconect between character responses and player action, that world actions and charcter decisions are utterly ignored. "support the Templars at every opportunity, be a huge jerk to Anders and he'll still jump in the sack with you"

That's why I view romances in DA2 and childish fetish and mental ****** material. My decisions were irrelevant, it could stand as anathema to everything an NPC holds dear, and I could still bang them.

[WildOrchid]

MisterJB wrote...


So there is another way of interpreting "Having characters that are available to straights too it's annoying." beyond "I don't want the character I want to romance to also be attracted to those of the opposite gender."?

No. Stop putting words i didn't say. Do you know many gay characters that have been in a bioware game? So far we only had many straight and bi. In dao were Morrigan, Alistair and Leliana. The straights could romance all of them. Bisexuals could romance Morrigan, Leliana and Alistair. But gays only had Leliana, who was bisexual and while I love bisexuals, i want gays too so i can feel closer to my own identity.
What i meant is, we want gay characters as well. Not only bisexual/straight. Clear now? I personally loved Isabela and Leliana and Liara but please, can we at least have some gays?

MisterJB wrote...

Because, bottom line, the number of companion plus Cassandra's popularity plus inclusiveness plus resources will dictate more what type of Inquisitors can romance Cassandra than anything else.

And many enough gay people want to romance Cassandra. So if she's a romanceable char, then i'm hoping for them to make her available to females as well. We rarely get types like Cassandra to romance, so please?

GodWood wrote...

Again. No we have not.

Perhaps you are thinking of someone else.

Wut? I didn't mean you and me. I meant in other threads, people were talking about why it's flawed in oh so many levels.

Modifié par WildOrchid, 30 août 2013 - 04:50 .

[Chari]

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is. And since DA is not some fanservice anime or visual novel but a an alive world full of quite alive and realistic people, characters there are not for fanservice but for the lore and plot. Meaning that it won't please everyone. It is too resourceful. Adding two gay Lis would be perfect but then they'd either have to choose from the rest of the group (An Iron Bull, everyone XD?) or make characters solely for LI purpose. Wanna 11 companions? Nice, but damn hard to make. 

Headcanons are trash anyway... no offense, but some things are canon no matter what the player does. Anders is bi, Merril is bi, Isabella is bi and so is Fenris. It is canon (retcon, retcon everywhere). Meaning that gay and straight LIs suddenly don't exist anymore. And that's no less offensive than making all characters straight or gay. Not to mention this is simply cheap. Instead of making all romances significant and quality-high they make them all repetative and crude.
Romance Lelianna as a girl, romance her as a man. Two different romances, almost. Same with Zevran.
Romance anybody from DA2 as either gender and you even get the same frigging animation
Yes, you can't romance Alistair as a man or Morrigan... but please, respect the characters as you do real people. They are simply not bi or gay and this is their way of life. Just like Samantha and Cortez are gay and they are not interested in the opposite gender. They are not Chobits, they're... well, pixel versions of real people, not made for sex fantasies
This is why ME handled it much better. Not perfectly, mind you (two m!gays and two straight LIs for girls in ME3???). They gave an impression of real people. Some are nice, some are dumb, some are clever, some are stupid, some are sweet, some are rude, some are straight, some are bi or gay

So why can't there be two options for gay Inquisitors?  They don't need to be "gay" (as opposed to "bi").  I think it was done well in ME3.  Kaidan is bi and Steve is gay.  I get a choice and I don't see how that's a problem at all.  Why couldn't there be two male (we only have ONE confirmed male party member at this point) companions available to male characters?  Why is that an issue?

Also, can you please point me to the retcon that indicates that Anders, Merrill, and Fenris are bi?  I'm not being shady; I'm actually asking because I haven't seen any other source material that indicates that they are interested in other characters (outside of Hawke) of the same gender.  If I see that, then clearly, it's a different story.

Either way, however, I don't see a problem with giving all four options (same sex and opposite sex for both genders) choice in the romances.  It doesn't have to limit any other person's gaming in any way, so why is it an issue?

Give two purely gay options for the Inquisitor. I'm all for it. I just can't see how the may manage it. It gives an implication that everyone is bi. No straight, no gays. Just bi. 
It also feels forced based on Lore. Gays and bis are okay, but still rare

I was talking about Anders. He and Anders from DA:A are likey two opposite characters. DA:A Anders hit on the girls all the time, ignored the guys. DA2 Anders is more interested in m!Hawke than in f!Hawke plus that guy Carl who appeared out of nowhere... unless they imply that m!Warden is ugly as a darkspawn o_o

We need quality-high LIs. Meaning that using  the same plan/cope/paste for every LI is a bad idea. It's cheap. At least give different animations and dialogues for both genders. Not like DA2 when even the mage f!Hawke could lift Isabella.
If you want to please everyone then give us some qunari Or dwarves. 

Modifié par Chari, 30 août 2013 - 04:56 .

[coldSnap]

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

I always perceived him as being bi, but clearly preferring females.  It's actually a bit of an issue for me that he constantly flirts with female characters DURING his same sex romance.  

Yeah, that was annoying as hell. And since the warden is silent you couldn't tell/ask him to stop. oh well

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...

Gender restriction is fine if done properly.

Gender restriction is fine, if it's not the only restriction, because if we're going with the "it's like real life" excuse, then we must acknwolege that people have more criteria that just "same sex/different sex" when it comes to romance

[Cainhurst Crow]

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is.

You're hiding behind how "it's like how life" is to justify why LI should have gender restrictions, but then why don't we have other restrictions ? Does Morrigan not have any kind of beauty standards, or don't mind going out with a Templar ?

Gender restriction as the ONLY restriction is double standards

That sounds better for roleplaying actually. Have class and race play a role as well and make it more challenging to romance someone if you pick a certain choice.

[billy the squid]

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

I always perceived him as being bi, but clearly preferring females.  It's actually a bit of an issue for me that he constantly flirts with female characters DURING his same sex romance.  

Isn't that because of his background shaping his character, rather than his orientation? Maybe he does like women more than men, but that shouldn't change the fact that he would be open to a same sex relationship either.

Maybe I'm seeing it differently, but he is a flirt and he is sexually promiscious, so shouldn't that show when he does have a romance, regardless of gender, as he's bi sexual not straight up gay?

[Chari]

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is.

You're hiding behind how "it's like how life" is to justify why LI should have gender restrictions, but then why don't we have other restrictions ? Does Morrigan not have any kind of beauty standards, or don't mind going out with a Templar ?

Gender restriction as the ONLY restriction is double standards

Give more restrictions! Make Merril hate Hawke who killed her clan (even in self-defense), make Anders hate pro-Templar Hawke, make Lelianna turn away from the Warden who destroyed Andraste's ashes. Make them alive and real-life-like, like real people who don't always do what we want them to do
It is dark fantasy based on the medieval times. We have slavery, sexism, racism, corruption, slughter. religion wars... but everyone is LGBT-tolerant. It's like one of those Batman comics where Joker is anti-****. It's understandble but there is nothing funnier than a murderiour serial killer, psycho who somewhy cares about ****s. Man, you are psycho who enjoys torturing people. But you hate racism. Pfft

[billy the squid]

Vapaä wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Gender restriction is fine if done properly.

Gender restriction is fine, if it's not the only restriction, because if we're going with the "it's like real life" excuse, then we must acknwolege that people have more criteria that just "same sex/different sex" when it comes to romance

There's another 2 paragraphs which come with the quote and cover that you know.

[billy the squid]

KaidanLover wrote...

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

I always perceived him as being bi, but clearly preferring females.  It's actually a bit of an issue for me that he constantly flirts with female characters DURING his same sex romance.  

Yeah, that was annoying as hell. And since the warden is silent you couldn't tell/ask him to stop. oh well

And there in lies the mental ****** fetish material I was talking about. Zev's character is flirtatious and sexually promiscious, as far as I remember, what you want is to re write his character. His character is independent of his orientation. If you find one facet of the charcter annoying then that's understandable, but it's part of Zev's character.

Although that is also a larger problem with Hawke and a lesser extent the Warden, everyone bending to his will, as the NPCs have the fortitude and conviction in their beliefs of a chocolate tea cup. Something I hope is addressed, because it's crap. 

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...

There's another 2 paragraphs which come with the quote and cover that you know.

The first one talks about how Anders is avalible no matter what and the other is just random complaint about DA2 romances (fetish, childish, blah blah), None of them adress my point which is NOT that gender restriction must be done fine, my point is that there should not be the only restriction, if you assume the restriction route. No matter how well though the restriction is made, it's just jarring if it's the only restriction

I support bisexual LIs: simple, neat, equal

Modifié par Vapaä, 30 août 2013 - 05:04 .

[Chari]

Equal: two bi, two straight, two gays
I wonder why they never tried it in DA. ME have more LIs than that. Why can't they make six LIs? It's a shame

Modifié par Chari, 30 août 2013 - 05:09 .

[billy the squid]

Vapaä wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

There's another 2 paragraphs which come with the quote and cover that you know.

The first one talks about how Anders is avalible no matter what and the other is just random complaint about DA2 romances (fetish, childish, blah blah), None of them adress my point which is NOT that gender restriction must be done fine, my point is that there should not be the only restriction, if you assume the restriction route. No matter how well though the restriction is made, it's just jarring if it's the only restriction

I support bisexual LIs: simple, neat, equal

And what was the content of it? I can bang Anders regardless of anything I do. So, if it was restricted and reactive based on player action and events, it would address many issues with the entire romance system. Don't make me point out the obvious.

[Chari]

billy the squid wrote...

KaidanLover wrote...

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

I always perceived him as being bi, but clearly preferring females.  It's actually a bit of an issue for me that he constantly flirts with female characters DURING his same sex romance.  

Yeah, that was annoying as hell. And since the warden is silent you couldn't tell/ask him to stop. oh well

And there in lies the mental ****** fetish material I was talking about. Zev's character is flirtatious and sexually promiscious, as far as I remember, what you want is to re write his character. His character is independent of his orientation. If you find one facet of the charcter annoying then that's understandable, but it's part of Zev's character.

Although that is also a larger problem with Hawke and a lesser extent the Warden, everyone bending to his will, as the NPCs have the fortitude and conviction in their beliefs of a chocolate tea cup. Something I hope is addressed, because it's crap. 

Wise words

[daveliam]

billy the squid wrote...

And there in lies the mental ****** fetish material I was talking about. Zev's character is flirtatious and sexually promiscious, as far as I remember, what you want is to re write his character. His character is independent of his orientation. If you find one facet of the charcter annoying then that's understandable, but it's part of Zev's character.

Although that is also a larger problem with Hawke and a lesser extent the Warden, everyone bending to his will, as the NPCs have the fortitude and conviction in their beliefs of a chocolate tea cup. Something I hope is addressed, because it's crap. 

I understand what you are saying about Zev's character being flirtatious.  I get it.  So, unless I'm misremembering, why aren't there any examples of him flirting with the male companions?  Or random male PCs?  I do understand that he is flirtatious by design and, I think, more interested in females.  It just sucks that he's the only male same sex romance option and he flirts numerous times with females right in front of the Warden.

I have no idea of your gender or sexuality, but maybe it will make more sense this way:

Imagine if in DA: I, Vivienne is the only romance option for straight male characters.  She's also available to lesbian characters, who can also romance Sera.  Vivienne, however, is clearly more interested in female characters and flirts with Sera and Cassandra and numerous female characters in front of the Inquisitor.

That seems ridiculous, right?  But that's exactly what happened to gay male Wardens in DA:  O and I think it's the flaw with having not having options for all genders/sexualities.  I'm convinced that it won't be a problem in DA: I.  I also think that having 4 LI's all available to both genders is the most simple way to handle it but that opened up a completely different can of worms.

Ideally, they will have something similar to ME3.  That's my whole point.