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[daveliam]

Chari wrote...

Equal: two bi, two straight, two gays
I wonder why they never tried it in DA. ME have more LIs than that. Why can't they make six LIs? It's a shame

This would be ideal.  I hope that this is what they do as well.

[Chari]

Faerunner wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is.

You're hiding behind how "it's like how life" is to justify why LI should have gender restrictions, but then why don't we have other restrictions ? Does Morrigan not have any kind of beauty standards, or don't mind going out with a Templar ?

Gender restriction as the ONLY restriction is double standards

No kidding. Not trying to generalize, but I tend to notice the same people that cry "unrealistic" about all-available romances tend to praise the Rivalry system because it lets them romance whoever they want, without having to worry about little things like compatibility and preference. 

Apparently, being able to insult, belittle, demean, mistreat, and undercut companions as often as you want without ever having to worry about them getting morally repulsed is a wonderful way to "realistically" romance whoever you want (because why let little things like common interests, shared morals, beliefs and life goals, mutual respect and trust, etc. get in the way of shagging whoever you feel like?), but happening to have at least four companions who are at least open to a romantic relationship with a same-sex protagonist (either because they're bisexual, demisexual, pansexual, whatever) is omg so unrealistic!

Before anyone jumps to its defense, I'm not saying the Rivalry system itself is terrible. I'm just saying I felt it was poorly handled in DA2 and allowed for too much freedom for the protagonist.

If it was a stab in my direction, then you should know that I hate Rivalry system. And thanks for generalizing people who want divercity in LIs and not pure fanservice-let-have-sex-with-who-ever-we-like
Everyone is Hawkesexual no matter what Hawke does. It sucks, no realism

Modifié par Chari, 30 août 2013 - 05:16 .

[coldSnap]

Chari wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

KaidanLover wrote...

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Really? I thought he was more of a flirtatious character by virtue of his past possibly. So it was more openly apparant that he was bi sexual, rather than being "taught" to like it, and used it to his advantange as an assassin. 

I always perceived him as being bi, but clearly preferring females.  It's actually a bit of an issue for me that he constantly flirts with female characters DURING his same sex romance.  

Yeah, that was annoying as hell. And since the warden is silent you couldn't tell/ask him to stop. oh well

And there in lies the mental ****** fetish material I was talking about. Zev's character is flirtatious and sexually promiscious, as far as I remember, what you want is to re write his character. His character is independent of his orientation. If you find one facet of the charcter annoying then that's understandable, but it's part of Zev's character.

Although that is also a larger problem with Hawke and a lesser extent the Warden, everyone bending to his will, as the NPCs have the fortitude and conviction in their beliefs of a chocolate tea cup. Something I hope is addressed, because it's crap. 

Wise words

I don't want his character rewritten, I like the majority of what and who he is. I just found that one thing annoying. Its annoying but it doesn't need to be changed. The only thing I really wanted was the chance to express myself to him on the issue of his flirting just the way he confronts me if im seeing someone on the side.

[Chari]

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

Equal: two bi, two straight, two gays
I wonder why they never tried it in DA. ME have more LIs than that. Why can't they make six LIs? It's a shame

This would be ideal.  I hope that this is what they do as well.

No chance. Everyone will be bi. And Sebastian
In ME they could do it, in DA they for some reason can't.
Ah, resources, I guess

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...


And what was the content of it? I can bang Anders regardless of anything I do. So, if it was restricted and reactive based on player action and events, it would address many issues with the entire romance system. Don't make me point out the obvious.

Yes the romance should be more reactive

Chari wrote...

Equal: two bi, two straight, two gays
I wonder why they never tried it in DA. ME have more LIs than that. Why can't they make six LIs? It's a shame

ME's LIs were a scattered mess

[Sylvianus]

Faerunner wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

In real life we're not lucky enough to romance everyone. Some people are not interested in us and we have to deal with it. I adore Sten, Carver, Justice but they are simply not into the Warden or Hawke (ahah, incest, I see you squick, I chuckle ). That's how life is.

You're hiding behind how "it's like how life" is to justify why LI should have gender restrictions, but then why don't we have other restrictions ? Does Morrigan not have any kind of beauty standards, or don't mind going out with a Templar ?

Gender restriction as the ONLY restriction is double standards

No kidding. Not trying to generalize, but I tend to notice the same people that cry "unrealistic" about all-available romances tend to praise the Rivalry system because it lets them romance whoever they want, without having to worry about little things like compatibility and preference. 

Apparently, being able to insult, belittle, demean, mistreat, and undercut companions as often as you want without ever having to worry about them getting morally repulsed is a wonderful way to "realistically" romance whoever you want (because why let little things like common interests, shared morals, beliefs and life goals, mutual respect and trust, etc. get in the way of shagging whoever you feel like?), but happening to have at least four companions who are at least open to a romantic relationship with a same-sex protagonist (either because they're bisexual, demisexual, pansexual, whatever) is omg so unrealistic!

Before anyone jumps to its defense, I'm not saying the Rivalry system itself is terrible. I'm just saying I felt it was poorly handled in DA2 and allowed for too much freedom for the protagonist.

Which rivalry romance did that so strongly ? ( I don't remember at all something that extreme with Merril and Isabela, while we could disagree on many things )

The rivalry system is more about choosing a path that companions could disagree with. That sounds like hyperbole. Rivalry Hawk cares about Merril ( rivalry romance ) even if he's trying to stop her with her agenda ( for her own good ) for example.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 août 2013 - 05:29 .

[Chari]

Vapaä wrote...

billy the squid wrote...


And what was the content of it? I can bang Anders regardless of anything I do. So, if it was restricted and reactive based on player action and events, it would address many issues with the entire romance system. Don't make me point out the obvious.

Yes the romance should be more reactive

Chari wrote...

Equal: two bi, two straight, two gays
I wonder why they never tried it in DA. ME have more LIs than that. Why can't they make six LIs? It's a shame

ME's LIs were a scattered mess

A diverse scattered mess
Still better. Though lack of LIs for male gays and straight females sucked

[billy the squid]

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

And there in lies the mental ****** fetish material I was talking about. Zev's character is flirtatious and sexually promiscious, as far as I remember, what you want is to re write his character. His character is independent of his orientation. If you find one facet of the charcter annoying then that's understandable, but it's part of Zev's character.

Although that is also a larger problem with Hawke and a lesser extent the Warden, everyone bending to his will, as the NPCs have the fortitude and conviction in their beliefs of a chocolate tea cup. Something I hope is addressed, because it's crap. 

I understand what you are saying about Zev's character being flirtatious.  I get it.  So, unless I'm misremembering, why aren't there any examples of him flirting with the male companions?  Or random male PCs?  I do understand that he is flirtatious by design and, I think, more interested in females.  It just sucks that he's the only male same sex romance option and he flirts numerous times with females right in front of the Warden.

I have no idea of your gender or sexuality, but maybe it will make more sense this way:

Imagine if in DA: I, Vivienne is the only romance option for straight male characters.  She's also available to lesbian characters, who can also romance Sera.  Vivienne, however, is clearly more interested in female characters and flirts with Sera and Cassandra and numerous female characters in front of the Inquisitor.

That seems ridiculous, right?  But that's exactly what happened to gay male Wardens in DA:  O and I think it's the flaw with having not having options for all genders/sexualities.  I'm convinced that it won't be a problem in DA: I.  I also think that having 4 LI's all available to both genders is the most simple way to handle it but that opened up a completely different can of worms.

Ideally, they will have something similar to ME3.  That's my whole point.

It's been so long since I played DAO, but considering apart from Morrigan, no one flirts with Sten and that's only one, Morrigan and Alisatir loath eachother, Leliana doesn't flirt with anyone either apart from you, possibly Zev but that's Zev's initiation. But I can't remember, and everyone seems to consider Ogren a drunk. While Zev teases Alistair as he knows he's shy and insecure. 

So really, who is really showing any interest or is at least open to the possibility? None of the men. Sten is like a stone, Ogren is always drunk and Alistair is shy (although Zev could, I can't remember.) Not exactly a laundry list of potential options to flirt with is it? How do you convey Zevs promiscious character through conversations ather than the conversations with the warden, mentioning the Warden and Zev with other charcters, there's not a lot of options.

Zev: "Sten you're a big.." Sten: "No"

DA2's issue was the implementation was crap, not the system itself. 

ME3 you've still got people bitching about a lack of equal representation, and I thought they were a mess really. Your issue is context and how to convey the orrientation, in conversations by making the relationship seem "alive". Not what DA2 did, which was in effect ****** options, where any romance existed in a vaccum. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 30 août 2013 - 05:31 .

[MisterJB]

WildOrchid wrote...
No. Stop putting words i didn't say. Do you know many gay characters that have been in a bioware game? So far we only had many straight and bi. In dao were Morrigan, Alistair and Leliana. The straights could romance all of them. Bisexuals could romance Morrigan, Leliana and Alistair. But gays only had Leliana, who was bisexual and while I love bisexuals, i want gays too so i can feel closer to my own identity.
What i meant is, we want gay characters as well. Not only bisexual/straight. Clear now? I personally loved Isabela and Leliana and Liara but please, can we at least have some gays?

I am not putting words into your mouth. You said, and I quote,  "Having characters that are available to straights too it's annoying."
What you said right now confirms what you previously said. You want gay characters and, by gay, you are specifically referring to characters that won't be attracted to the opposite gender in any way. Thereofe, my previous interpretation was correct.
In DA2, Bioware already presented an equal number of options for heterossexual and homossexual players. But this begs the question, what difference does it make if Isabela or Leliana could be romanced by male characters so long as they were also available to female characters?

Also, Bissexuals could romance everyone and gays could romance Leliana and Zevran.

And many enough gay people want to romance Cassandra. So if she's a romanceable char, then i'm hoping for them to make her available to females as well. We rarely get types like Cassandra to romance, so please?

I've got nothing against Cassandra being open for both genders. Only against her being reserved for females which it seemed to me was what you were suggesting.

[Sylvianus]

Blackrising wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Homosexuals only make up 5% of the population (at most) it's only natural there would be an unequal distribution.

Sure if you count the ones that are in the closet. LOL @ the number.
We've discussed so many times to why this % is flawed but whatever, believe what you want. If you think sexuality is only black and white.

Of course, using what? The kinsley reports? Pffffft. What a joke. Statistically they are massively flawed and so are the revisions. It's a good example of statistics being meaningless numbers when the underlying data corrupts the result.

Most modern census reports carried out globally by each country, which are confidential in many cases, not suffering from self selection bias, rarely exceed 5% on average of the total population in major metropolitan areas, although it can increase slightly above 10% in particular cities.

So if you're going to use the equal representation argument, it's rather flawed and a moot point.

Actually, I think it's based on experience.
Sexuality isn't all black and white, and someone identifying as one thing often doesn't mean they won't go for the other from time to time.
When people ask me about my sexuality, I say that I am a lesbian. Does that mean I have never felt attracted to a guy before? No. Does that mean there is no chance at all that I might end up marrying a guy? No.
I simply don't bother explaining myself because most people aren't gonna understand anyway, not to mention that it's none of their business.

If you can be attracted to men, why do you say or think you are lesbian then ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 août 2013 - 05:37 .

[daveliam]

billy the squid wrote...

It's been so long since I played DAO, but considering apart from Morrigan, no one flirts with Sten and that's only one, Morrigan and Alisatir loath eachother, Leliana doesn't flirt with anyone either apart from you, possibly Zev but that's Zev's initiation. But I can't remember, and everyone seems to consider Ogren a drunk. While Zev teases Alistair as he knows he's shy and insecure. 

So really, who is really showing any interest or is at least open to the possibility? None of the men. Sten is like a stone, Ogren is always drunk and Alistair is shy (although Zev could, I can't remember.) Not exactly a laundry list of potential options to flirt with is it? How do you convey Zevs promiscious character through conversations ather than the conversations with the warden, mentioning the Warden and Zev with other charcters, there's not a lot of options.

Zev: "Sten you're a big.." Sten: "No"

DA2's issue was the implementation was crap, not the system itself. 

ME3 you've still got people bitching about a lack of equal representation, and I thought they were a mess really. Your issue is context and how to convey the orrientation, in conversations by making the relationship seem "alive". Not what DA2 did, which was in effect ****** options, where any romance existed in a vaccum. 

Why couldn't Zev flirt with male NPCs?  That could have done the exact thing you referencing:  establishing Zev as a flirtatious individual.

I am not one of the people ****ing about ME3's "lack of equal representation".  In that game, there were multiple options for each gender/sexuality.  That's all I'm asking for.  You will never please everyone completely.  I expect that unless there is a perfectly even mixture of LI's across all options, that it will skew towards female LI's because the majority of the players are straight males.  I get that and I have no problem with that.  I just want to have multiple male LI's to avoid running into the "Zev issue" where the only option for gay males is a character who is clearly more interested in females.

[Chari]

daveliam wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

It's been so long since I played DAO, but considering apart from Morrigan, no one flirts with Sten and that's only one, Morrigan and Alisatir loath eachother, Leliana doesn't flirt with anyone either apart from you, possibly Zev but that's Zev's initiation. But I can't remember, and everyone seems to consider Ogren a drunk. While Zev teases Alistair as he knows he's shy and insecure. 

So really, who is really showing any interest or is at least open to the possibility? None of the men. Sten is like a stone, Ogren is always drunk and Alistair is shy (although Zev could, I can't remember.) Not exactly a laundry list of potential options to flirt with is it? How do you convey Zevs promiscious character through conversations ather than the conversations with the warden, mentioning the Warden and Zev with other charcters, there's not a lot of options.

Zev: "Sten you're a big.." Sten: "No"

DA2's issue was the implementation was crap, not the system itself. 

ME3 you've still got people bitching about a lack of equal representation, and I thought they were a mess really. Your issue is context and how to convey the orrientation, in conversations by making the relationship seem "alive". Not what DA2 did, which was in effect ****** options, where any romance existed in a vaccum. 

Why couldn't Zev flirt with male NPCs?  That could have done the exact thing you referencing:  establishing Zev as a flirtatious individual.

I am not one of the people ****ing about ME3's "lack of equal representation".  In that game, there were multiple options for each gender/sexuality.  That's all I'm asking for.  You will never please everyone completely.  I expect that unless there is a perfectly even mixture of LI's across all options, that it will skew towards female LI's because the majority of the players are straight males.  I get that and I have no problem with that.  I just want to have multiple male LI's to avoid running into the "Zev issue" where the only option for gay males is a character who is clearly more interested in females.

Can Lelianna flirt with other NPCs? Morrigan? Alistair? 
DA:O simply didn't have companion and NPCs conversations

[daveliam]

Chari wrote...

Can Lelianna flirt with other NPCs? Morrigan? Alistair? 
DA:O simply didn't have companion and NPCs conversations

Huh?  Except for Zev, then?  He did flirt with Morrigan and Leliana AND Wynne.  That's exactly my point.

[Chari]

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

Can Lelianna flirt with other NPCs? Morrigan? Alistair? 
DA:O simply didn't have companion and NPCs conversations

Huh?  Except for Zev, then?  He did flirt with Morrigan and Leliana AND Wynne.  That's exactly my point.

Do you want him to flirt with Sten, Alistair or Oghren? I guess Alistair is simply shy and stuff. Oghren would chop his head off if he tried XD And he actually joked about it to him... Sten... is Sten. Only I can hit on Sten okay  >? jk
Maybe he simply didn't find any of them attractive enough? Only Alistair seems like a pretty choice

[Vapaa]

Chari wrote...

A diverse scattered mess
Still better. Though lack of LIs for male gays and straight females sucked

I put having choice as more important matter as a vague "diverse" (diverse by what ?)

[Chari]

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

A diverse scattered mess
Still better. Though lack of LIs for male gays and straight females sucked

I put having choice as more important matter as a vague "diverse" (diverse by what ?)

Diverse sexualities, personalities,. races, genders, ages...
Meaning that we won't get the same ****y or sweet girls, hot elf or i-am-so-sad human guy all bi every DA game
It's getting boring...
At least give us some qunari then

Modifié par Chari, 30 août 2013 - 05:54 .

[daveliam]

Chari wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

Can Lelianna flirt with other NPCs? Morrigan? Alistair? 
DA:O simply didn't have companion and NPCs conversations

Huh?  Except for Zev, then?  He did flirt with Morrigan and Leliana AND Wynne.  That's exactly my point.

Do you want him to flirt with Sten, Alistair or Oghren? I guess Alistair is simply shy and stuff. Oghren would chop his head off if he tried XD And he actually joked about it to him... Sten... is Sten. Only I can hit on Sten okay  >? jk
Maybe he simply didn't find any of them attractive enough? Only Alistair seems like a pretty choice

Why not any of the hundreds of male NPC's in the game?  And why not Alistair?  And why not Oghren?  Saying he's not "attracted" to them is a weak argument because:  1.)  he's clearly willing to flirt with numerous women in front of the Warden; and 2.)  He's not real.  He's a fictional character, whose defining character trait is "promiscuous".  There's no reason to not have him do it, yet they didn't. 

[Chari]

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Chari wrote...

Can Lelianna flirt with other NPCs? Morrigan? Alistair? 
DA:O simply didn't have companion and NPCs conversations

Huh?  Except for Zev, then?  He did flirt with Morrigan and Leliana AND Wynne.  That's exactly my point.

Do you want him to flirt with Sten, Alistair or Oghren? I guess Alistair is simply shy and stuff. Oghren would chop his head off if he tried XD And he actually joked about it to him... Sten... is Sten. Only I can hit on Sten okay  >? jk
Maybe he simply didn't find any of them attractive enough? Only Alistair seems like a pretty choice

Why not any of the hundreds of male NPC's in the game?  And why not Alistair?  And why not Oghren?  Saying he's not "attracted" to them is a weak argument because:  1.)  he's clearly willing to flirt with numerous women in front of the Warden; and 2.)  He's not real.  He's a fictional character, whose defining character trait is "promiscuous".  There's no reason to not have him do it, yet they didn't. 

Because he can't? Companions and NPCs in DA:O just can't have conversations. He can say a word or two sometimes, but I don't recall Lelianna or Alistair flirting with NPCs while we talk to those NPCs. Technical boundaries
1) Because Lelianna is pretty, Morrigan is "hot", Wynne is old, but has "a great bossom" and he mostly flirts with her to annoy the poor mage :3
2) Just because he is not "real" doesn't mean he has no taste or preferencies. And yes, it is an argument because Bioware stated often that they do not make cliche carboard Sim Characters. They make complex real-life people 

[WildOrchid]

Vapaä wrote...


ME's LIs were a scattered mess

A total mess. More male fanservice-y than fair romances. The proof is the female straight romances being horrible. Males could practically have every single one woman in the ship (laughing at 'realism' there, for people who say having too many gays isn't realistic), gay woman only gets 2 (the second came later and Kelly - Allers aren't romances), gay men only get 2 LI and later, not in early ME games.



And people still say it was better? Of course it was better, if you are a straight male.

Modifié par WildOrchid, 30 août 2013 - 06:00 .

[Chari]

WildOrchid wrote...

Vapaä wrote...


ME's LIs were a scattered mess

A total mess. More male fanservice-y than fair romances. The proof is the female straight romances being horrible. Males could practically have every single one woman in the ship (laughing at 'realism' there, for people who say having too many gays isn't realistic), gay woman only gets 2 (the second came later and Kelly - Allers aren't romances), gay men only get 2 LI and later, not in early ME games.



And people still say it was better? Of course it was better, if you are a straight male.

I am a straight female, and while it sucked that I had only Garrus (sorry, Kaidan) and boys only had Kaidan and Cortez it was still sth. And some diversity, even if it mostly consisted of hot lesbians and hot straight females for fanboys.
It was more real and alive than all DA2 romances ever could be

[Sylvianus]

It was a mess in Mass effect because of bad decisions, that has little to do with the concept people are talking about....

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 août 2013 - 06:04 .

[WildOrchid]

MisterJB wrote...

I am not putting words into your mouth. You said, and I quote,  "Having characters that are available to straights too it's annoying."
What you said right now confirms what you previously said. You want gay characters and, by gay, you are specifically referring to characters that won't be attracted to the opposite gender in any way. Thereofe, my previous interpretation was correct.
In DA2, Bioware already presented an equal number of options for heterossexual and homossexual players. But this begs the question, what difference does it make if Isabela or Leliana could be romanced by male characters so long as they were also available to female characters?

Also, Bissexuals could romance everyone and gays could romance Leliana and Zevran.

Maybe i said in a wrong way and you think I'm bashing bisexuals. It's not that.
The problem is, there are no gay characters and with bi, straight people have even more romances. You say " what difference does it make if Isabela or Leliana could be romanced by
male characters so long as they were also available to female
characters?''.... you can ask the same question about straight only characters (ie Morrigan and Alistair). If straight people can have straight only chars, we should have gay only chars too.

Chari wrote...


I am a straight female, and while it
sucked that I had only Garrus (sorry, Kaidan) and boys only had Kaidan
and Cortez it was still sth. And some diversity, even if it mostly
consisted of hot lesbians and hot straight females for fanboys.
It was more real and alive than all DA2 romances ever could be

No it wasn't. And if you think it was real, then the dragons and reapers were real too.
Excuse me if i totally disagree with you.

Modifié par WildOrchid, 30 août 2013 - 06:11 .

[mupp3tz]

Sylvianus wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Actually, I think it's based on experience.
Sexuality isn't all black and white, and someone identifying as one thing often doesn't mean they won't go for the other from time to time.
When people ask me about my sexuality, I say that I am a lesbian. Does that mean I have never felt attracted to a guy before? No. Does that mean there is no chance at all that I might end up marrying a guy? No.
I simply don't bother explaining myself because most people aren't gonna understand anyway, not to mention that it's none of their business.

If you can be attracted to men, why do you say or think you are lesbian then ?

Because people don't neatly fit into label A, B, or C. Attraction is attraction. You can identify as lesbian who tends to find herself attracted to other women, yet have the odd man or two or three that you also like in that way. The labels only exist to make it easier for people to categorize you when, in reality, it's more complex than that.

One thing I really liked about ME3 was Samantha Trayner. A character who was lesbian, had a personality that didn't just revolve around that, and who wasn't compromised as being bi despite many wanting to romance her on a male Shepard.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 30 août 2013 - 06:15 .

[Chari]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
If you can be attracted to men, why do you say or think you are lesbian then ?

Because some people don't define themselves solely as label A, B, or C. Attraction is attraction. You can identify as lesbian who tends to find herself attracted to other women, yet have the odd man or two or three that you also like in that way. The labels only exist to make it easier for people to categorize you when, in reality, it's more complex than that.

These are not labels, these are word definitions.
It's like when people can't differ envy and jealousy, purple and violet, or, in this case it's like saying that a watermelon is a fruit. It's a berry, people. A berry

Modifié par Chari, 30 août 2013 - 06:15 .

[daveliam]

Chari wrote...

Because he can't? Companions and NPCs in DA:O just can't have conversations. He can say a word or two sometimes, but I don't recall Lelianna or Alistair flirting with NPCs while we talk to those NPCs. Technical boundaries
1) Because Lelianna is pretty, Morrigan is "hot", Wynne is old, but has "a great bossom" and he mostly flirts with her to annoy the poor mage :3
2) Just because he is not "real" doesn't mean he has no taste or preferencies. And yes, it is an argument because Bioware stated often that they do not make cliche carboard Sim Characters. They make complex real-life people 

We are never going to understand each other.  My point is that:

1.)  They made Zevran the only option for gay males
2.)  They made him flirt often with the female party members but not the males in front of the Warden while in a relationship with him
3.)  I don't like the fact that the only choice for a gay male Warden is a male character who flirts shamelessly with women in front of him, but I had no other choice to romance
4.)  Therefore, I like the idea that there could be multiple male options for male Inquisitors (similar to how it was done in either DA 2 or ME 3).

It has nothing to do with whether or not Leliana could flirt with other men/women.  It has to do with the experience of a male Warden in a relationship with Zevran.  I'm just happy that it appears that this won't happen again.