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[WildOrchid]

@Chari, you don't seem to understand what i'm saying at all. Miranda, Jack, Sam, Liara etc will the be the exact same person if they had different sexuality.

[Chari]

dragondreamer wrote...

The idea that all people of a certain sexual orientation have the same outlook on romance, sexuality, and people is basically a description of a stereotype.

I never said that. I said that sexuality depends on a character's backstory, beliefs and biological attraction. Not fans' demands

[Cirram55]

Chari wrote...
Their outlook at romance, sexuality and people will be different. A choice of a partner depend on it. One would view opposite or the same sex differently, slightly or majorly. 
These are all small and big aspects of a characters which make a person person. Everything matters, from a good taste to the preferences in sex.

Good lord, Chari, dear you understand that those topics never come up in either Dragon Age games? You talk like our companions were real people. Well they aren't, thery're scripted, and unless one of the possible LIs is a nymphomaniac pervy-perv they won't comment on how fine that passerby's arse is. These kind of topic just won't come up. Ever.

Modifié par Cirram55, 31 août 2013 - 02:00 .

[Blackrising]

WildOrchid wrote...

@Chari, you don't seem to understand what i'm saying at all. Miranda, Jack, Sam, Liara etc will the be the exact same person if they had different sexuality.

I assume she simply has no answer.

[Chari]

WildOrchid wrote...

@Chari, you don't seem to understand what i'm saying at all. Miranda, Jack, Sam, Liara etc will the be the exact same person if they had different sexuality.

Liara would be one weird asari if she cared about gender o_o Other asari would look at her like she was very picky.
A person has a certain taste or beliefs because of the way they were brought up, in which culture and not only their natural preferences.
Sexuality is one of major aspects of our lives. We can't avoid it, or at least thinking about it. Meaning that it does influence our experience in soceity with other people. 
While Thedas is mostly neutral, imagine growing up as a gay in Orlais or Fereldan. Different things, to be honest. Or even in Orzamarr. 
Sexuality will shape your experiene and life no less than religious beliefs. It will shape your personality and you experience will in return shape your tastes and preferences.
That's how a person is formed. Through experience and interactions

[Chari]

Cirram55 wrote...

Chari wrote...
Their outlook at romance, sexuality and people will be different. A choice of a partner depend on it. One would view opposite or the same sex differently, slightly or majorly. 
These are all small and big aspects of a characters which make a person person. Everything matters, from a good taste to the preferences in sex.

Good lord, Chari, dear you understand that those topics never come up in either Dragon Age games? You talk like our companions were real people. Well they aren't, thery're scripted, and unless one of the possible LIs is a nymphomaniac pervy-perv they won't comment on how fine that passerby's arse is. These kind of topic just won't come up. Ever.

They will be in future games and books. 
Bioware is keen on creating LGBT-friendly experience but also on making well-written realistic characters. Meaning that though it will never be the major focus (it's not a romantic novel anyway) it still will be touched from time to time.
Read the wiki or Book of Thedas. 

[dragondreamer]

It's always a joy to read these topics and realize to many people on the BSN I would be considered a poorly written immersion breaking character.

[Cirram55]

Chari wrote...
Read the wiki or Book of Thedas.

I own The World of Thedas, and enjoyed the part on sexuality a great deal.
Now, there's one point that needs to come across: in Thedas bisexuality is a thing, no one cares. You can even see this in the upcoming The Masked Empire, between Celine and Briala where the only surprising thing is that she's her mistress's servant.

As you so obsessively say: sexuality is determined by your cultural background, as well as biological heritage. That's fine and dandy, but can you see where I'm getting at? You can imagine everyone in Thedas has a fluid sexuality, or is pansexual, whatever you wanna call it. So (almost) everyone tends to be bisexual, and not make a big deal out of it.
There is no loss in this charaterization of the world, only gain.

[WildOrchid]

Chari wrote...

Liara would be one weird asari if she cared about gender o_o Other asari would look at her like she was very picky.

Everyone has preferences, even asari. As for the rest of what you said, i disagree completely.

[Chari]

Cirram55 wrote...

Chari wrote...
Read the wiki or Book of Thedas.

I own The World of Thedas, and enjoyed the part on sexuality a great deal.
Now, there's one point that needs to come across: in Thedas bisexuality is a thing, no one cares. You can even see this in the upcoming The Masked Empire, between Celine and Briala where the only surprising thing is that she's her mistress's servant.

As you so obsessively say: sexuality is determined by your cultural background, as well as biological heritage. That's fine and dandy, but can you see where I'm getting at? You can imagine everyone in Thedas has a fluid sexuality, or is pansexual, whatever you wanna call it. So (almost) everyone tends to be bisexual, and not make a big deal out of it.
There is no loss in this charaterization of the world, only gain.

As I said before, in Orais it is a common thing. In Orzammar marriage is a duty, and straight relationship is more common. In Fereldan bi and gays are considered weird, but no bad. 
Straights still are the majority if codex, DA:O and DA:A, books are any indications. 

[Chari]

dragondreamer wrote...

It's always a joy to read these topics and realize to many people on the BSN I would be considered a poorly written immersion breaking character.

If you're gay/bi/straight just for the sake of pandering some lusty fans, then yes, you are a poorly written immersion breaking character XD Or at least the part when the player romances you is

[Chari]

WildOrchid wrote...

Chari wrote...

Liara would be one weird asari if she cared about gender o_o Other asari would look at her like she was very picky.

Everyone has preferences, even asari. As for the rest of what you said, i disagree completely.

YES. Preferences.
That's why some people are straight, some are bi, some are gay. Not all are bi, or gay, or straight. Diversity

[Cirram55]

Chari wrote...
As I said before, in Orais it is a common thing. In Orzammar marriage is a duty, and straight relationship is more common. In Fereldan bi and gays are considered weird, but no bad. 
Straights still are the majority if codex, DA:O and DA:A, books are any indications.

The point. You're missing it.

Thedas has a high mortality rate (as a medieval world without modern machinery would naturally have) so it's obvious that nobles would need to have heirs and farmers some kids to help with their daily work. Also, you know, human survival.
Of course, that does not prevent them from enjoying some little romance with a person of the same sex.
That happens more often than in our world. That's it. It adds originality to their characterization and no one makes a fuss over it.

A random example? My gay Hawke. He was so gay I wanted to use the Faboulous mod to swap his walking animation with the female one. He was openly gay, yet Leandra told him she wanted to introduce him to whatshername, 'cause y'know Hawke is a noble, and Leandra cared about her name.

YES. Preferences.
That's why some people are straight, some are bi, some are gay. Not all are bi, or gay, or straight. Diversity

THEDAS. IS. NOT. THE. REAL. WORLD.

I can see why Blackrising was exhausted.

Modifié par Cirram55, 31 août 2013 - 02:54 .

[Neon Rising Winter]

Chari wrote...

As I said before, in Orais it is a common thing. In Orzammar marriage is a duty, and straight relationship is more common. In Fereldan bi and gays are considered weird, but no bad. 
Straights still are the majority if codex, DA:O and DA:A, books are any indications. 

I think you're confusing legal relationships such as marriage, with emotional ones. In the societies you're using as illustrations marriage would be more to do with inheritance and control of property, political power and social position than an emotional relationship. Looking to marriage as an indicator is deceptive.

[Angrywolves]

All these comments based upon someone's philosophy .
It is just a video game.
Not the protypical young men watching the young women going by and whispering about them.
Such debates in a video game forum are pointless and best reserved for the online sexuality forum if the debators choose to move their discussion.

[Chari]

Cirram55 wrote...

Chari wrote...
As I said before, in Orais it is a common thing. In Orzammar marriage is a duty, and straight relationship is more common. In Fereldan bi and gays are considered weird, but no bad. 
Straights still are the majority if codex, DA:O and DA:A, books are any indications.

The point. You're missing it.

Thedas has a high mortality rate (as a medieval world without modern machinery would naturally have) so it's obvious that nobles would need to have heirs and farmers some kids to help with their daily work. Also, you know, human survival.
Of course, that does not prevent them from enjoying some little romance with a person of the same sex.
That happens more often than in our world. That's it. It adds originality to their characterization and no one makes a fuss over it.

A random example? My gay Hawke. He was so gay I wanted to use the Faboulous mod to swap his walking animation with the female one. He was openly gay, yet Leandra told him she wanted to introduce him to whatshername, 'cause y'know Hawke is a noble, and Leandra cared about her name.

YES. Preferences.
That's why some people are straight, some are bi, some are gay. Not all are bi, or gay, or straight. Diversity

THEDAS. IS. NOT. THE. REAL. WORLD.

I can see why Blackrising was exhausted.

Hawke is such a special case that even the ancient magister falls to him. Joking aside, i didn't say that everyone in Fereldan is straight. Majority - yes, all - no

it is one of the poorest excuses ever made in sexuality-discussing theme. Along with labeling everyone who disagress a homophobe.
It is still a world which is based on the real one. After all we have all types of social drama. This is what makes DA so interesting, it is an illusion of life with all kinds of people - good, bad, complex and simple. all kinds of cultures and nations with different outlooks at mages, races and sexuality.
Fereldan is mostly straight-people-nation. Orlais goes both ways. Qunari prefer platonic relatsionship.

[Blackrising]

*cries silently into her pillow*

[Chari]

Narrow Margin wrote...

Chari wrote...

As I said before, in Orais it is a common thing. In Orzammar marriage is a duty, and straight relationship is more common. In Fereldan bi and gays are considered weird, but no bad. 
Straights still are the majority if codex, DA:O and DA:A, books are any indications. 

I think you're confusing legal relationships such as marriage, with emotional ones. In the societies you're using as illustrations marriage would be more to do with inheritance and control of property, political power and social position than an emotional relationship. Looking to marriage as an indicator is deceptive.

The culture influences a person's tastes and beliefs. If a person is brought up in a country where traditional marriage is valued then they'll carry on these beliefs. Of course people are different, personal experience is also important but some basic things will always be a part of a person's mind. Like a western person will always see black as a "bad" colour and "white" as a colour of life, while a person from Asia may have a totally different outlook since in some cultures white is a colour of death etc.
Of course it doesn't mean that everyone will think like that but... majority prefers to follow the classical and familiar way of life. Not everyone is a rebel at heart 

[Chari]

Blackrising wrote...

*cries silently into her pillow*

That's okay, darling
You'll always meet people who have different opinions from your own, that's the way life is :3

[Eragon-]

Chari wrote...



it is one of the poorest excuses ever made in sexuality-discussing theme. Along with labeling everyone who disagress a homophobe.

Oh the irony.

[Chari]

Eragon- wrote...

Chari wrote...



it is one of the poorest excuses ever made in sexuality-discussing theme. Along with labeling everyone who disagress a homophobe.

Oh the irony.

Have I ever called anyone a homophobe?..

[WildOrchid]

Chari wrote...

YES. Preferences.
That's why some people are straight, some are bi, some are gay. Not all are bi, or gay, or straight. Diversity

We were talking about people being the same if sexuality was different, not preferences. Nobody was saying that people don't have preferences.
My god, you don't even seem to understand so i'm stopping here. No point in arguing.

[WildOrchid]

Narrow Margin wrote...


I think you're confusing legal relationships such as marriage, with emotional ones. In the societies you're using as illustrations marriage would be more to do with inheritance and control of property, political power and social position than an emotional relationship. Looking to marriage as an indicator is deceptive.

So much this.

[Cirram55]

There is no discussion happening here, Chari. You keep repeating your points, while others try to explain theirs, but there is no actual exchange.

So, pretty please, you've made your concerns clear now, could we move on?

[Eragon-]

No. You have just been calling people, who do not want romance content being restricted because of a binary choice at the character creator, lusty teenagers who's only prerogative for demanding such a thing is that they don't have enough ****** material.