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Chari wrote...
So far the only reason most of you brought up is fanservice. And that's it. So much for constructive discussion :3


Why is fanservice so bad? Wouldn't it be fanservice directed to you if they ditched the all-bi approach and make them almost all straight because you claim the majority of thedosian are straight?
Can't you see how blindly selfish you are? I hope it's unintentional.

I just express my opinion which is different from yours. And, well, I guess having an opinion makes me a bad person XD


Stating your opinion while insulting others is what makes you sound like a person not worthy to be talked to.
And please, refrain from using the dumb smilies or whatever, they give me the worst headaches.

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WildOrchid wrote...

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So pandering bi and gays is good... pandering straight is bad.
Bad implications here, girl :D Or boy..



Considering how the games always pander straight people, yes pandering only the straights is bad. Sorry. If you were gay or bi, you could feel the same as I do. But you're in a privileged place, so you can't understand. ;)


@Marten. DAO. 3 straight, 2 bi, 0 gays. Do the math. Even if Leliana or Zevran were romanced by the same gender, is only one romance for us. And you had literally 4 LIs available. That's why I consider DA2 the best in romance department.

Don't get me started on ME.

You said pandering straight people. Not pandering only straight people XD
Oh yes, I am a privileged race :D Bow to me, you peasants!
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Damn, this is one pathetic argument XD Just because I am straight, I am eeeeviiiil

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/facepalm

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more sexual philosophy arguments .
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Gotta stop feeding the troll. Gotta stop feeding the troll. Gotta stop... I'm out.

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Let's just get rid of romances. Ultimately, everyone wins.

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Cirram55 wrote...

Chari wrote...
So far the only reason most of you brought up is fanservice. And that's it. So much for constructive discussion :3


Why is fanservice so bad? Wouldn't it be fanservice directed to you if they ditched the all-bi approach and make them almost all straight because you claim the majority of thedosian are straight?
Can't you see how blindly selfish you are? I hope it's unintentional.

I just express my opinion which is different from yours. And, well, I guess having an opinion makes me a bad person XD


Stating your opinion while insulting others is what makes you sound like a person not worthy to be talked to.
And please, refrain from using the dumb smilies or whatever, they give me the worst headaches.

If it influences the storytelling it is bad. The storymaking is an art, it shouldn't be influenced by fans, norms, accepted beliefs or anything
Since the beginning of this dialogue I stated that my ideal LI ratio would be: 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gays. Where did you get an impression that I want everyone to be straight I'll never understand. As I said before, I want diversity

I never insulted you or anyone in this thread :D Well, exept the last phrase, but then I insulted the poor way of debating. 
As for ******-material and lusty teenagers - the first one wasn't even originaly my phrase - sb before me used it, I liked it. And lusty teenagers... ugh, how else can you call people who only want to see naked babes and sexy bishoujo men and characters making out? I thought DA was about the story, not Sim Dating 18+ simulatior

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Chari wrote...


Since the beginning of this dialogue I stated that my ideal LI ratio would be: 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gays.


Finally! We agree on something! Oh my god, i'm going to note that precious moment!

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Yeah. Stop feeding this troll. I tried to reason with him/her yesterday about why having only 1 male LI who constantly flirts only with women while you are romancing him with a gay male Warden is an unsatisfactory option in DA: O and s/he just kept saying, "Well, Zev is flirtatious so what do you expect?" It was maddening and I just gave up. I'm confident that the DA team will have multiple LI options for both same and opposite gender romance in DA: I, so that's all I care about. This Bioware team is one of the (if not the most) GLBT friendly teams in the industry and I have complete faith that they will have an inclusive approach in DA: I. Of course someone will be unhappy because someone is always unhappy, but past experience indicates it won't be the people looking for multiple same sex LI options.

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WildOrchid wrote...

Chari wrote...


Since the beginning of this dialogue I stated that my ideal LI ratio would be: 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gays.


Finally! We agree on something! Oh my god, i'm going to note that precious moment!


Pffft, as if I ever was against bi or gay characters :3 Just not everybody. Like not everybody is straight 

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Marten Stroud wrote...

Let's just get rid of romances. Ultimately, everyone wins.

The fans would burn down the Bioware HQ XD You know. Or send more muffins

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Chari wrote...

That is true. We don't know enough about other cultures to predict how they'll react to such things. Though some things are commonly known. Marriage is still a neccessity, so is making babies. Though the Thedas is quite neutral, it is still quite traditional as well in its beliefs. Majority of people consists of peasants, citizens and travellers who are content with this way of life - the way they're used to. So it is only logical that majoirty of them will likely be more interested in the opposite sex. Even if they aren't there is that marriage one can not cancel and cheating is... well, not the best way to start a family life, right? Life is still hard. 
Thedas may be a better place for people of different sexualities, but it is still not perfect


To take the devil's advocate view what if the traditional view is that marriage is a fine institution for cementing property inheritance, succession of titles and generating heirs, but why would we confuse it with emotional relationships?

And let's say for the moment the peasants think this way. Why would the ruling classes not be adopting the attitude, oh ho ho, they're stout and hardy folk, with simple ideas, and of course we must keep up the right appearances so as not to scare the horses, but these things hardly apply to the likes of us.

Not to mention, I doubt we're collecting a party of peasants, citizens and travellers content with their way of life. I reckon we're getting a self selecting set of people to whom that does not apply, and so by deinition should be exhibiting some behaviours and mores against the norm.

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Narrow Margin wrote...

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That is true. We don't know enough about other cultures to predict how they'll react to such things. Though some things are commonly known. Marriage is still a neccessity, so is making babies. Though the Thedas is quite neutral, it is still quite traditional as well in its beliefs. Majority of people consists of peasants, citizens and travellers who are content with this way of life - the way they're used to. So it is only logical that majoirty of them will likely be more interested in the opposite sex. Even if they aren't there is that marriage one can not cancel and cheating is... well, not the best way to start a family life, right? Life is still hard. 
Thedas may be a better place for people of different sexualities, but it is still not perfect


To take the devil's advocate view what if the traditional view is that marriage is a fine institution for cementing property inheritance, succession of titles and generating heirs, but why would we confuse it with emotional relationships?

And let's say for the moment the peasants think this way. Why would the ruling classes not be adopting the attitude, oh ho ho, they're stout and hardy folk, with simple ideas, and of course we must keep up the right appearances so as not to scare the horses, but these things hardly apply to the likes of us.

Not to mention, I doubt we're collecting a party of peasants, citizens and travellers content with their way of life. I reckon we're getting a self selecting set of people to whom that does not apply, and so by deinition should be exhibiting some behaviours and mores against the norm.

The thing is, the straight couple is still more common and preferable by society due to marriage and other traditional reasons. So people from the early age learn that liking the opposite sex is better. Being bi or gay is not bad... but it's weird or at least stops one from forming a family which is not a luxury, but a neccessity. 
The beliefs that are taught to a person stick to their mind their whole life. They may change them, they may go against them, but during these first 10-20 years of our life the society builds out personality. Even if you're rebel, you still depend on your society because you go against it. Remove it, and you have nothing left. A person does not exist in vacuum
The same goes with every other aspect, to be honest. If you're Fereldian, you likely are a dog person. It doesn't even matter if it's not realy true and you prefer cats. It's just that you're used to be thinking that dogs are awesome because you've been told this the entire life. It doesn't make you a cat hater but cats... they're weird. Dogs are much better

As for the lords and ladies of high class they're technically even more restricted. All this bloodline stuff, when you sometimes have to marry your own distand cousins not like I'd mind because this is the only way to save to strengthen the family. Luckily for them they have enough power to have lots of lovers and stuff.

This is true. But still, making all of them sharing the same sexuality, or religious beliefs, or tastes is weird. Each companions is supposed to represent some nation, some race, some class. Or the opposites of it. Morrigan represent anti-Circle mage. Wynne represent a pro-Circle mage. Lelianna is a bard. Alistair is a fereldanian. Same with Loghain, though they're different types of Fereldenians. Sten and Arishok are qunari. Possible Iron Bull is an opposite of qunari


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Marten Stroud wrote...

Let's just get rid of romances. Ultimately, everyone wins.


Or we can keep romances optional so people who want them can enjoy and people who don't can avoid.

Everyone wins.

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I'm confused by Bioware's supposed announcement at Pax that the LI's will not all be playersexual this time,as that seems to go against what they have previously said and what was said at their GaymerX panel.

I'm conflicted about it, because while I would prefer concrete sexual identities for the companions I liked the choice that DA:2 provided, and don't want that to be removed. I'm also sure that Bioware wouldn't remove it.

I don't know if this means that we will be getting s/s only LI's along with m/f only LI's, but that means more LI's overall, which is also something I think they have said they don't want to do.

There may be NPC LI's, but I'll have to be honest: I won't  be happy if "Heterosexual LI's = companion Homosexual LI's = NPC" becomes a thing in their games. I wouldn't mind seeing some homosexual companions, LI's or not, but this is also something I don't see happening.

Overall I'm uncertain exactly what they are doing, but I do trust them not to disappoint in this regard so I will wait and see.

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Faerunner wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Let's just get rid of romances. Ultimately, everyone wins.


Or we can keep romances optional so people who want them can enjoy and people who don't can avoid.

Everyone wins.


:mellow: I wasn't being serious.

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Chari wrote...

Since the beginning of this dialogue I stated that my ideal LI ratio would be: 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gays. 


I think this would be great as well

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Faerunner wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Let's just get rid of romances. Ultimately, everyone wins.


Or we can keep romances optional so people who want them can enjoy and people who don't can avoid.

Everyone wins.

"Additionally, character is first - if their character seems to not be attracted to a certain sex, the romance will be exempted. While some fans like the idea of being able to romance everyone, sometimes it just doesn’t fit."
I like how it sounds. Otherwise I demand Samantha being interested in my male Shepard XD What, let's make all characters playersexual then. Including qunari <3

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Chari wrote...

Since the beginning of this dialogue I stated that my ideal LI ratio would be: 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gays. 


I think this would be great as well

That would be perfect. The only problem the amount of LIs being 6 is kind of high. I don't know why, but I guess DA-making team can do 4 high quality LIs at best. Sebastian was a nice try buuut... well, he was boring as Pit. Maybe this time they can make 6. Hopefully. Yet unlikely

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Chari wrote...

Since the beginning of this dialogue I stated that my ideal LI ratio would be: 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gays. 


I think this would be great as well


Nope... in the end BSN will be like: I want Cassandra to be bi, I didn't want  "XXX" to be gay 
Varric shouldn't be only for straight romance! bla bla bla.

People will never enough with their option... 

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Chari wrote...


You said pandering straight people. Not pandering only straight people XD
Oh yes, I am a privileged race :D Bow to me, you peasants!
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Damn, this is one pathetic argument XD Just because I am straight, I am eeeeviiiil


Lol. You haven't figure this out yet! If your arent Gay or a Feminist and/or  you dont agree with the veiwpoints of the two culture's then your probably arguing the wrong subject on the wrong forum. I suggest you stop quickly before a Moderator ban's you for your opinion. Im very serious, even though I think it's bs. 

Modifié par FreshIstay, 31 août 2013 - 05:33 .


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Chari wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Chari wrote...

Nyneve wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Nyneve wrote...

How about all gay characters! Then we could have a wide range of personalities that make sense and not everyone would be included and pandered to, right ?


All straight characters would make more sense to me.


Why? Would make the exact same sense to me. I wouldn't actually want it that way, bu I'd like to see how the crowd who says that bi LI's are unnecessary fanservice would react if they don't get their fanservice.

The only fanservice I'd love to see is qunari or kossith fanservice. Won't happen. Ever XD
I'm fine with that


In other words, fanservice is fine as long as it pleases YOU.

Don't put words in my mouth, silly XD I never said that
I said that I'll never get the fanservice I want. And it's okay because it doesn't matter if I get my qunari LI as long as the story is good


The only fanservice I'd love to see is qunari or kossith fanservice.

Yes. I am putting words in your mouth. Clearly you never said anything like that.

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FreshIstay wrote...

Chari wrote...


You said pandering straight people. Not pandering only straight people XD
Oh yes, I am a privileged race :D Bow to me, you peasants!
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Damn, this is one pathetic argument XD Just because I am straight, I am eeeeviiiil


Lol. You haven't figure this out yet! If your arent Gay or a Feminist and/or  you dont agree with the veiwpoints of the two culture's then your probably arguing the wrong subject on the wrong forum. I suggest you stop quickly before a Moderator ban's you for your opinion. Im very serious, even though I think it's bs. 

*you're
I am a feminist. Does it automatically makes me better than non-feminists? Nope. Actions speak more than words
Oh, banning people for their opinions. How... democratic :D

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Marten Stroud wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Let's just get rid of romances. Ultimately, everyone wins.


Or we can keep romances optional so people who want them can enjoy and people who don't can avoid.

Everyone wins.


:mellow: I wasn't being serious.


Oh, sorry! Image IPB

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Chari wrote...

The thing is, the straight couple is still more common and preferable by society due to marriage and other traditional reasons. So people from the early age learn that liking the opposite sex is better. Being bi or gay is not bad... but it's weird or at least stops one from forming a family which is not a luxury, but a neccessity. 
The beliefs that are taught to a person stick to their mind their whole life. They may change them, they may go against them, but during these first 10-20 years of our life the society builds out personality. Even if you're rebel, you still depend on your society because you go against it. Remove it, and you have nothing left. A person does not exist in vacuum
The same goes with every other aspect, to be honest. If you're Fereldian, you likely are a dog person. It doesn't even matter if it's not realy true and you prefer cats. It's just that you're used to be thinking that dogs are awesome because you've been told this the entire life. It doesn't make you a cat hater but cats... they're weird. Dogs are much better

As for the lords and ladies of high class they're technically even more restricted. All this bloodline stuff, when you sometimes have to marry your own distand cousins not like I'd mind because this is the only way to save to strengthen the family. Luckily for them they have enough power to have lots of lovers and stuff.

This is true. But still, making all of them sharing the same sexuality, or religious beliefs, or tastes is weird. Each companions is supposed to represent some nation, some race, some class. Or the opposites of it. Morrigan represent anti-Circle mage. Wynne represent a pro-Circle mage. Lelianna is a bard. Alistair is a fereldanian. Same with Loghain, though they're different types of Fereldenians. Sten and Arishok are qunari. Possible Iron Bull is an opposite of qunari


But is it strange, or is it just part of the one real culture the game really does belong to. Ours. (For the sake of argument, call it early 21st century Bioware RPG players).  It's in the nature of a work of fiction to reflect the interests and concerns of the culture it's produced in. I realise I'm wandering a bit, but I feel we're just delving further and further into possible interpretations of a fictional culture in an unproductive way.

Ultimately the heavy hand of the real world comes into play and you play to your audience. And don't give me the storytelling does not bow to these things malarkey. Great storytelling throughout history pandered to fans, politics and the person paying the rent check - consider the concepts of a patron of the arts, and monarchs who can have you banged up for the rest of your natural if you disparage their ancestors. If they're in a good mood. I bet they're thankful gamers don't have that kind of power.