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[Blackrising]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Why does everyone think Cullen will be a companion and LI? I understand the want- because I'd love him to be but I'd bet $100 he'll be an agent at most since Gaider has stated his dislike for how a larger part of Cullen's fans have "fetishized" the lovely templar.

Really? Never saw that statement.
I was under the impression that the devs know the Cullen fanbase is a passionate, yet ultimately harmless bunch.

I think he's gonna be a companion and LI because

1) it seems like a natural progression from minor NPC to major NPC to companion
2) he is no doubt an interesting character and he's still got a lot of story left to tell
3) a lot of players love him and that's never bad
4) Cullen is getting old (as in age-wise) and it seems like a bit of a now or never situation

I personally don't really care if he's an LI or not, but I kinda feel like the Cullen fanbase deserves it. They've been foaming at the mouth since DA:O.

[Maria Caliban]

Chari wrote...


The thing is, the straight couple is still more common and preferable by society due to marriage and other traditional reasons. So people from the early age learn that liking the opposite sex is better. Being bi or gay is not bad... but it's weird or at least stops one from forming a family which is not a luxury, but a neccessity.

No, being bisexual or gay does not stop one from forming a family.

Even if it did, you're assuming a nuclear family, not an extended one. In much of Thedas, f I don't get married, that's fine, because I'm probably living in a single dwelling with my parents, uncles, grandparents, siblings, some of their spouses, and their children.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 31 août 2013 - 06:46 .

[Ianamus]

I did think it would be:

Female LI's: Cassandra and female Elf rogue

Male LI's: Unannounced Human male and male Elf mage. 

But with the announcement that not all LI's may be open to both gender (and how they have said before that they like the idea of equal options) I am rethinking it:

Female-only LI's: Unannounced Human male/Varric and female Elf rogue/Vivienne

Open to either: Unannounced male/male Elf Mage and Cassandra

Male-only LI's: Unannounced male/male Elf Mage and unannounced female/ female Elf rogue

Of course, this is assuming no NPC-romances, which may be included. If they are I hope they don't stick the s/s only LI's with the NPC roles again. I didn't mind it Mass Effect 3, but I don't want it to become common. 

Blackrising wrote...

(shh we just now managed to get away from discussing sexuality)

The problem is that with the statement at Pax putting how they will handle the LI's in the next game up in the air that's really the big question with regards to LI's at the moment. 

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 06:51 .

[Blackrising]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Chari wrote...


The thing is, the straight couple is still more common and preferable by society due to marriage and other traditional reasons. So people from the early age learn that liking the opposite sex is better. Being bi or gay is not bad... but it's weird or at least stops one from forming a family which is not a luxury, but a neccessity.

No, being bisexual or gay does not stop one from forming a family.

Even if it did, you're assuming a nuclear family, not an extended one. In much of Thedas, f I don't get married, that's fine, because I'm probably living in a single dwelling with my parents, uncles, grandparents, siblings, some of their spouses, and their children.

(shh we just now managed to get away from discussing sexuality)

[HiddenInWar]

This thread makes me want to puke. For the love of god, where's a mod to lock a thread when you need them.

[Blackrising]

HiddenInWar wrote...

This thread makes me want to puke. For the love of god, where's a mod to lock a thread when you need them.

I don't know, where's a mod to ban a user when you need them?

[Blackrising]

EJ107 wrote...

I did think it would be:

Female LI's: Cassandra and female Elf rogue

Male LI's: Unannounced Human male and male Elf mage. 

But with the announcement that not all LI's may be open to both gender (and how they have said before that they like the idea of equal options) I am rethinking it:

Female-only LI's: Unannounced Human male/Varric and female Elf rogue/Vivienne

Open to either: Unannounced male/male Elf Mage and Cassandra

Male-only LI's: Unannounced male/male Elf Mage and unannounced female/ female Elf rogue

Of course, this is assuming no NPC-romances, which may be included. If they are I hope they don't stick the s/s only LI's with the NPC roles again. I didn't mind it Mass Effect 3, but I don't want it to become common. 

Blackrising wrote...

(shh we just now managed to get away from discussing sexuality)

The problem is that with the statement at Pax putting how they will handle the LI's in the next game up in the air that's really the big question with regards to LI's at the moment. 

I didn't even know there was such a statement. Can you quote it for me or link me to a full quote?
Cause if they explicitely stated that LIs will be gender-restricted again, I will have to go punch something, sob into my pillow, and then re-think my stance on the whole pre-ordering thing.
It's a massive to-do-list, I gotta prepare.

[Chari]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Chari wrote...


The thing is, the straight couple is still more common and preferable by society due to marriage and other traditional reasons. So people from the early age learn that liking the opposite sex is better. Being bi or gay is not bad... but it's weird or at least stops one from forming a family which is not a luxury, but a neccessity.

No, being bisexual or gay does not stop one from forming a family.

Even if it did, you're assuming a nuclear family, not an extended one. In much of Thedas, f I don't get married, that's fine, because I'm probably living in a single dwelling with my parents, uncles, grandparents, siblings, some of their spouses, and their children.

Here we go again...
Cheating on a husband or wife is not accepted. And marriage between same-sex people does not produce offspring
In much of Thedas starting a family is a duty. The dwarves are slowly dying out. The elves as well. Humans are the only progressing race and still bloodline is very important in high society and in the lower classes it is one of the few ways to survive. Interspecies marriage would be a scandal.
Love rarely has anything to do with family. Still, the family is a sacred cell of society and blahblahblah and duty and blahblahblah. To sum it up, the marriage and family are still considered to be very important. Our Wardens and Hawkes were lucky to be powerful enough to choose their own soulmates. Majority of folk though just tries to survive in harsh enviroment

[daveliam]

Re: Cullen. The only evidence that is a companion so far is:

1.) There is a character who looks like him in the concept art (both from the leaked survey and the more recent map stabby picture)
and
2.) Greg Ellis speaking about recording lines.

People are making the assumption that he is a companion because they want him to be or expect him to be based on fan interest. However, the evidence is pretty thin. Scribe Girl is also in the same two pieces of concept art and many people are predicting her to play a supporting Chambers-Traynor style role. And Greg Ellis would have to record lines whether Cullen is a companion or just an "agent".

I also expect him to be a companion, but right now, the evidence is really thin.

[GloriousDame]

Blackrising wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

Why does everyone think Cullen will be a companion and LI? I understand the want- because I'd love him to be but I'd bet $100 he'll be an agent at most since Gaider has stated his dislike for how a larger part of Cullen's fans have "fetishized" the lovely templar.

Really? Never saw that statement.
I was under the impression that the devs know the Cullen fanbase is a passionate, yet ultimately harmless bunch.

I think he's gonna be a companion and LI because

1) it seems like a natural progression from minor NPC to major NPC to companion
2) he is no doubt an interesting character and he's still got a lot of story left to tell
3) a lot of players love him and that's never bad
4) Cullen is getting old (as in age-wise) and it seems like a bit of a now or never situation

I personally don't really care if he's an LI or not, but I kinda feel like the Cullen fanbase deserves it. They've been foaming at the mouth since DA:O.

I'm fairly sure he's said something along that line- I'll have to try to dig it up. 

Cullen's history definitely deserves closure, and I believe one of the devs said that his story will finally get there in DA:I.  Given his back story and the extremes on both sides we have seen him witness and endure, I firmly believe his character would be a great addition as a companion.  I do hope you are right, though.  Maybe I'll stop foaming at the mouth once the companions and LIs are announced!

[Ianamus]

Blackrising wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

(shh we just now managed to get away from discussing sexuality)

The problem is that with the statement at Pax putting how they will handle the LI's in the next game up in the air that's really the big question with regards to LI's at the moment. 

I didn't even know there was such a statement. Can you quote it for me or link me to a full quote?
Cause if they explicitely stated that LIs will be gender-restricted again, I will have to go punch something, sob into my pillow, and then re-think my stance on the whole pre-ordering thing.
It's a massive to-do-list, I gotta prepare.

Well, there is nothing concrete yet. Someobody at pax said that one of Biowares comments was:

"Why Isn’t Everyone Bisexual?
Scope is the hardest part of utilizing bisexual romances. It is the cause of limitations for why some exist, some are straight, and some are gay. Additionally, character is first - if their character seems to not be attracted to a certain sex, the romance will be exempted. While some fans like the idea of being able to romance everyone, sometimes it just doesn’t fit."

Source: http://ladyinsanity....wn-day-1-friday


And in response we have this post here on the BSN:

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Quicksilver26 wrote...

So umm Mr. Schumacher since your here would you mind confirming that not all the romance options will be romancable by either gander for us please.

Can't confirm or deny unfortunately. Though the panel yesterday was interesting for us as people shared what they do/do not like about both methods. patrick was pretty surprised and had some assumptions challenged which was great!

Source: http://social.biowar...82/433#17239263

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 07:07 .

[daveliam]

Blackrising wrote...

I didn't even know there was such a statement. Can you quote it for me or link me to a full quote?
Cause if they explicitely stated that LIs will be gender-restricted again, I will have to go punch something, sob into my pillow, and then re-think my stance on the whole pre-ordering thing.
It's a massive to-do-list, I gotta prepare.

Yeah, I don't remember seeing this before either.  If I'm remembering correctly, I've heard:

1.)  Romances will be more nuanced.
2.)  LI's will not be initiating romances without the Inquisitor making the first move
3.)  There will be roughly the same amount of LI's in this game as the past

But that's about it.  I don't remember seeing that them say anything specifically addressing the gender access for LI's.

[GloriousDame]

daveliam wrote...

Yeah, I don't remember seeing this before either.  If I'm remembering correctly, I've heard:

1.)  Romances will be more nuanced.
2.)  LI's will not be initiating romances without the Inquisitor making the first move
3.)  There will be roughly the same amount of LI's in this game as the past

But that's about it.  I don't remember seeing that them say anything specifically addressing the gender access for LI's.

:lol:Thank goodness for that one!  Now I won't feel as bad as when my Hawke had to shut down Ander's game time after time. 

[daveliam]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

:lol:Thank goodness for that one!  Now I won't feel as bad as when my Hawke had to shut down Ander's game time after time. 

To be fair, I think the statement was more along the lines of "We have had to rethink how romances are initiated based on player feedback from past games".  In was at the Gaymer X panel in response to a question about companions initiating flirting.  I think I captured it fairly, but just want to be clear that there wasn't an official statement saying that it is certainly happening that way.

I don't want to shut your game down after you got so excited!

[Blackrising]

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.
This 'deciding sexuality based on personality' is, I think, difficult when you consider that most people are still stuck in a heteronormative worldview. Straight until proven gay. Not that I don't think the writers are doing their best, but they're human and they're not above heteronormativity.

Which might explain why we ended up with a gazillion LIs for a straight male Shep while FemShep was merely allowed to sniff out the remaining scraps.

Modifié par Blackrising, 31 août 2013 - 07:18 .

[Ianamus]

Blackrising wrote...

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.

Are you responding to their comment about Ashley? If so I agree completely. Kaidan in no way seemed "more bisexual" than she did. 

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 07:17 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

EJ107 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.

Are you responding to their comment about Ashley? If so I agree completely. Kaidan in no way semmed "more bisexual" than she did. 

I thought Kaidan only caught The Gay because people ****ed for two games about not having a Gaidan (oh ho ho ho) romance?

[Ianamus]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.

Are you responding to their comment about Ashley? If so I agree completely. Kaidan in no way semmed "more bisexual" than she did. 

I thought Kaidan only caught The Gay because people ****ed for two games about not having a Gaidan (oh ho ho ho) romance?

"Kaidan and Ashley 
The writers considered how Kaidan and Ashley were approached as love interests. With Kaidan’s character, he seemed more appropriate as a bisexual. It fit with his personality and his demeanor. However, Ashley did not fit the bill of being bisexual. It didn’t fit her character, so the writers opted out."

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 07:21 .

[Chari]

I'm glad they consider this new/old plan.
It's quite a good way to make romance content. First of all they create characters, they analyze them and see which ones will be the best choices as LIs and who they may like based on their personalities and preferences and who just woon'' like the main hero no matter what
Quality-high writing, or at least planning

[GloriousDame]

daveliam wrote...

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

:lol:Thank goodness for that one!  Now I won't feel as bad as when my Hawke had to shut down Ander's game time after time. 

To be fair, I think the statement was more along the lines of "We have had to rethink how romances are initiated based on player feedback from past games".  In was at the Gaymer X panel in response to a question about companions initiating flirting.  I think I captured it fairly, but just want to be clear that there wasn't an official statement saying that it is certainly happening that way.

I don't want to shut your game down after you got so excited!

Damn... Where's a little heartbroken emote when you need it? Hehe.
At any rate, it souds like they are definitely improving from DA2, and ANY improvement on this is better than none. 

[Blackrising]

EJ107 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.

Are you responding to their comment about Ashley? If so I agree completely. Kaidan in no way seemed "more bisexual" than she did. 

Yep yep, sure was.
That statement really irks me. Like they were saying that because Kaidan is a rather sensitive, gentle man, he's more bisexual than Ashley? Like...what?

[Ianamus]

Blackrising wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.

Are you responding to their comment about Ashley? If so I agree completely. Kaidan in no way seemed "more bisexual" than she did. 

Yep yep, sure was.
That statement really irks me. Like they were saying that because Kaidan is a rather sensitive, gentle man, he's more bisexual than Ashley? Like...what?

I have to say, for a company that are generally very good with this kind of thing some of these statements are very... questonable. Apparently if you don't have a certain personality you don't "fit the bill" for being a bisexual. As if personaility has anything to with orientation. 

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 07:22 .

[Eragon-]

Red alert! Red alert! Dead horse incoming!

Ah, what the heck... Making characters playersexual is the best option, as far as I'm concerned. Romance content is optional anyhow. Restricting LI choices based on a choice you make at the chracter creator seems silly. 

Modifié par Eragon-, 31 août 2013 - 07:26 .

[Blackrising]

Eragon- wrote...

Red alert! Red alert! Dead horse incoming!

...the poor horse.

[Chari]

Blackrising wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

I will never get how a certain sexuality can not 'fit' a character.
Like, there are arguments against every LI being available for both genders that I can understand to some extent, even though I may not agree.
But this? This I absolutely don't understand. There are no special personality traits that make someone 'fit' into a certain sexuality bracket or not.

Are you responding to their comment about Ashley? If so I agree completely. Kaidan in no way seemed "more bisexual" than she did. 

Yep yep, sure was.
That statement really irks me. Like they were saying that because Kaidan is a rather sensitive, gentle man, he's more bisexual than Ashley? Like...what?

Maybe... Ashley just doesn't find other girls arousing?.. And Kaidan likes other boys?.. Just, you know, taste. Some like chocolate, some like caramel, some like Mozart, some like Bach...