Chari wrote...
As you said before, characters are not real people. Good creators try to make them as real-life as possible, but for the sake of story-telling lots of aspects have to either be left out or highlighted.
You forget that these are not direct words but rather a review. I believe they worded it more carefully in actual speech.EJ107 wrote...
Chari wrote...
No, no it's not. They technically they meant every sexuality: straight, bi and gay. Some people just don't find the opposite or the same sex appealing. Some characters don't fit to be LIs. Some don't git to be antagonists or protagonists.
It's one of thing only a writer/artist can understand. Sometimes you create a character and feel that yeah, they would be a great protagonist. But an antagonist or a romance interest? No
I don't think you understand my point. I have no problem with the fact that some people are just interested in a particular gender and some aren't, or that Kaiden may just be into guys while Ashley isn't into girls.
The only problem I have is that, from the statement they made, it seemed like the only reason they didn't make Ashley bisexual was her personality. This doesnt make sense to mae, because bisexual people have all sorts of different personality's and you can't judge someones orientation beased solely on their personality.
Blackrising wrote...
Maybe I remember incorrectly, but weren't Ashley and Kaidan meant to be s/s romances at the beginning? Cause I remember people saying that the appropriate dialouge had already been recorded, but they axed it at the last minute.
Might have been just a rumour, though.
Eragon- wrote...
I don't think the DA team would be that cruel. The whole problem with this approach is it perpetuates stereotypes irrespective of the writer's intention. They are humans, they have their own bias and world view which is inevitably gonna drip into the characters they write.
*need type faster*
Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 31 août 2013 - 07:45 .
Remember the part about Samantha? The girl was created not just for the plot but also to represent an interesting female gay character. That's why she is a nerd with an expensive toothbrush. They highlighted her unusual personality to represent that not all lesbians are hot chicks from middle-schooler's wetdreamsVapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
As you said before, characters are not real people. Good creators try to make them as real-life as possible, but for the sake of story-telling lots of aspects have to either be left out or highlighted.
Yup, and sexual orientation is not one of them
hhh89 wrote...
@EJ107: Gaider said once that the way he preferred was making equal but different LI (almost surely the 6 LI already mentioned by someone) but that they'll most likely follow the DA2 approach due of time/budget restraints and that the number of LI would increase the romance content in the game. Maybe the time extension changed their plans.
Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 07:49 .
sandalisthemaker wrote...
Eragon- wrote...
I don't think the DA team would be that cruel. The whole problem with this approach is it perpetuates stereotypes irrespective of the writer's intention. They are humans, they have their own bias and world view which is inevitably gonna drip into the characters they write.
*need type faster
Speaking of stereotypes, I really hope that if we get an openly bisexual companion again, they won't be hyper promiscuous. We already got two of those (3 if you count Leliana) Bioware. Thanks.
Guest_Marten Stroud_*
EJ107 wrote...
Chari wrote...
No, no it's not. They technically they meant every sexuality: straight, bi and gay. Some people just don't find the opposite or the same sex appealing. Some characters don't fit to be LIs. Some don't git to be antagonists or protagonists.
It's one of thing only a writer/artist can understand. Sometimes you create a character and feel that yeah, they would be a great protagonist. But an antagonist or a romance interest? No
I don't think you understand my point. I have no problem with the fact that some people are just interested in a particular gender and some aren't, or that Kaiden may just be into guys while Ashley isn't into girls.
The only problem I have is that, from the statement they made, it seemed like the only reason they didn't make Ashley bisexual was her personality. This doesnt make sense to me, because bisexual people have all sorts of different personality's and you can't judge someones orientation beased solely on their personality.
Chari wrote...
You forget that these are not direct words but rather a review. I believe they worded it more carefully in actual speech.EJ107 wrote...
Chari wrote...
No, no it's not. They technically they meant every sexuality: straight, bi and gay. Some people just don't find the opposite or the same sex appealing. Some characters don't fit to be LIs. Some don't git to be antagonists or protagonists.
It's one of thing only a writer/artist can understand. Sometimes you create a character and feel that yeah, they would be a great protagonist. But an antagonist or a romance interest? No
I don't think you understand my point. I have no problem with the fact that some people are just interested in a particular gender and some aren't, or that Kaiden may just be into guys while Ashley isn't into girls.
The only problem I have is that, from the statement they made, it seemed like the only reason they didn't make Ashley bisexual was her personality. This doesnt make sense to mae, because bisexual people have all sorts of different personality's and you can't judge someones orientation beased solely on their personality.
I guess she meant not only personality but also character. Like Ashley is Christian. Maybe that's the reason.
daveliam wrote...
sandalisthemaker wrote...
Eragon- wrote...
I don't think the DA team would be that cruel. The whole problem with this approach is it perpetuates stereotypes irrespective of the writer's intention. They are humans, they have their own bias and world view which is inevitably gonna drip into the characters they write.
*need type faster
Speaking of stereotypes, I really hope that if we get an openly bisexual companion again, they won't be hyper promiscuous. We already got two of those (3 if you count Leliana) Bioware. Thanks.
See and I would argue that Leliana is an openly bisexual companion who isn't promiscuous. Outside of Marjolaine, did she have any other partners? Now, if you aren't romancing her, her bisexuality isn't really apparent, so maybe that's what you meant, but I don't find her promiscuous at all.
Marten Stroud wrote...
Some people love to judge personality based on orientation, though.
Like assuming that all straight men are homophobic a**holes. <_<
Chari wrote...
Remember the part about Samantha? The girl was created not just for the plot but also to represent an interesting female gay character. That's why she is a nerd with an expensive toothbrush. They highlighted her unusual personality to represent that not all lesbians are hot chicks from middle-schooler's wetdreams
Modifié par Vapaä, 31 août 2013 - 07:54 .
Surely. Though I believe it is also a part of education and culture and stuff and blahblahblah. Anyway, you said it yourself. Even if a christian is gay due to their beliefs they may never admit it. So maybe Ashley is gay... but she'll never romance a girl anyway. Or even realize thatBlackrising wrote...
Chari wrote...
You forget that these are not direct words but rather a review. I believe they worded it more carefully in actual speech.EJ107 wrote...
Chari wrote...
No, no it's not. They technically they meant every sexuality: straight, bi and gay. Some people just don't find the opposite or the same sex appealing. Some characters don't fit to be LIs. Some don't git to be antagonists or protagonists.
It's one of thing only a writer/artist can understand. Sometimes you create a character and feel that yeah, they would be a great protagonist. But an antagonist or a romance interest? No
I don't think you understand my point. I have no problem with the fact that some people are just interested in a particular gender and some aren't, or that Kaiden may just be into guys while Ashley isn't into girls.
The only problem I have is that, from the statement they made, it seemed like the only reason they didn't make Ashley bisexual was her personality. This doesnt make sense to mae, because bisexual people have all sorts of different personality's and you can't judge someones orientation beased solely on their personality.
I guess she meant not only personality but also character. Like Ashley is Christian. Maybe that's the reason.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you can not also be into people of your own gender.
You aren't 'turned' gay, you're born like that. Whether your parents then happen to raise you as a Christian or not doesn't change that fact. Strong religious believes may cause you to hate that part of yourself, they may cause you to not even notice you have these tendencies or they may cause you to simply not act on them, but that doesn't mean it just goes away.
So Ashley being a Christian really is no reason to think she can't be bisexual.
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, BiowareVapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
Remember the part about Samantha? The girl was created not just for the plot but also to represent an interesting female gay character. That's why she is a nerd with an expensive toothbrush. They highlighted her unusual personality to represent that not all lesbians are hot chicks from middle-schooler's wetdreams
Her gayness is the least remarkable trait about her, I rember her as the funny nerdy new recruit, not the token lesbian made to fill the ARID DESERT that was ME's gay characters
Chari wrote...
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware
Vapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware
And as a result, she could've work just as well as a bi LI
Eragon- wrote...
Yeah, even Satan would take pity on the horse by now
Guest_Marten Stroud_*
daveliam wrote...
Marten Stroud wrote...
Some people love to judge personality based on orientation, though.
Like assuming that all straight men are homophobic a**holes. <_<
If you are going to make a statement like this, I'd appreciate it if you could link me to the comment where someone said that. I must have missed it.
Modifié par Marten Stroud, 31 août 2013 - 07:59 .
Vapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware
And as a result, she could've work just as well as a bi LI
Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.Vapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware
And as a result, she could've work just as well as a bi LI
Eragon- wrote...
Yeah, even Satan would take pity on the horse by now
Chari wrote...
Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.Vapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware
And as a result, she could've work just as well as a bi LI
The game lacked true gay characters so they had to make some. Diversity, again
Back on possible LIs if they actually will reveal that we can play as kossiths it would be totally awesome to make some excusive kossithxIron Bull romance
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What am I talking about, we'll never get a qunari LI
Blackrising wrote...
Vapaä wrote...
Chari wrote...
Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware
And as a result, she could've work just as well as a bi LI
Just like the straight LIs that aren't defined by their sexuality. So, you know, every single one.
Marten Stroud wrote...
daveliam wrote...
Marten Stroud wrote...
Some people love to judge personality based on orientation, though.
Like assuming that all straight men are homophobic a**holes. <_<
If you are going to make a statement like this, I'd appreciate it if you could link me to the comment where someone said that. I must have missed it.
Sure thing, buddy.
http://social.biowar...694/32#17240646
http://social.biowar...694/33#17240796
Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 08:03 .
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