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[daveliam]

Marten Stroud wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Some people love to judge personality based on orientation, though.

Like assuming that all straight men are homophobic a**holes. <_<

If you are going to make a statement like this, I'd appreciate it if you could link me to the comment where someone said that.  I must have missed it.

Sure thing, buddy. 

http://social.biowar...694/32#17240646

http://social.biowar...694/33#17240796

Nope.  Those quotes were asking for more diversity in the writing staff.  No where did s/he say "all straight men are homophobic ****s".  Was in in another one?

[Chari]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

Chari wrote...

Which means that they successeded. They wanted to create an interesting non-stereotypic gay character who will be appreciated for their personality and actions and not judged by their sexuality, and they did it. Great job, Bioware 

And as a result, she could've work just as well as a bi LI

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.
The game lacked true gay characters so they had to make some. Diversity, again

Back on possible LIs if they actually will reveal that we can play as kossiths it would be totally awesome to make some excusive kossithxIron Bull romance
...
What am I talking about, we'll never get a qunari LI 

Eh, I wouldn't take what Gaider said about Qunari love interests as gospel. He has a boss, and if that boss says "why not?" or thinks it'd be interesting to explore, then that's what they'll do. I think there are quite a few angles they could tackle with a Qunari love interest. Something that would be unique to Qunari. If I've thought of them, I won't insult the BioWare bullpen by suggesting they haven't thought of them as well.

My guess is, if anything, it's a matter of timing. Has the right character come along yet? I don't think so, but maybe Dragon Age 3 will change that.

The most intriguing part about qunari LI is not just qunari themselves (Qun is both terrifying and intriguing) but also that the relationship in their community seems to be purey platonic. If they try sex, they get punished.
How would a qunari react to sexually driven Hero? Would they freak out? Maybe get excited sexfinallysex? Then there is that size difference XD I just can't imagine a dwarven or even elven girl and kossith man having sex. It's just... I need a breain bleach right now

[dragondreamer]

Chari wrote...

Surely. Though I believe it is also a part of education and culture and stuff and blahblahblah. Anyway, you said it yourself. Even if a christian is gay due to their beliefs they may never admit it. So maybe Ashley is gay... but she'll never romance a girl anyway. Or even realize that

Yeah, here we go with the stereotypes again.  

[Vapaa]

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

Modifié par Vapaä, 31 août 2013 - 08:05 .

[Blackrising]

Marten Stroud wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Marten Stroud wrote...

Some people love to judge personality based on orientation, though.

Like assuming that all straight men are homophobic a**holes. <_<

If you are going to make a statement like this, I'd appreciate it if you could link me to the comment where someone said that.  I must have missed it.

Sure thing, buddy. 

http://social.biowar...694/32#17240646

http://social.biowar...694/33#17240796

Wait, are you referring to my post?
If so, you must have misunderstood. Nowhere did I imply that all men were homophobic. Why would I?
My point is simply that a large part of the population is stuck in a heteronormative worldview. That has nothing to do with homophobia and everything to do with upbringing and the way society is built. It's also not restricted to men.
Heteronormativity is a problem, yes, but more often than not, the reinforcement of such stereotypes is unintentional. Which is why I said that a few LGBTQ views on certain topics would balance it out.

[Cirram55]

daveliam wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Speaking of stereotypes, I really hope that if we get an openly bisexual companion again, they won't be hyper promiscuous. We already got two of those (3 if you count Leliana) Bioware. Thanks.

See and I would argue that Leliana is an openly bisexual companion who isn't promiscuous.  Outside of Marjolaine, did she have any other partners?  Now, if you aren't romancing her, her bisexuality isn't really apparent, so maybe that's what you meant, but I don't find her promiscuous at all.

Well, she did seduce lots of men and women as a bard, but I guess that would count as... work?

[Chari]

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

[Chari]

dragondreamer wrote...

Chari wrote...

Surely. Though I believe it is also a part of education and culture and stuff and blahblahblah. Anyway, you said it yourself. Even if a christian is gay due to their beliefs they may never admit it. So maybe Ashley is gay... but she'll never romance a girl anyway. Or even realize that

Yeah, here we go with the stereotypes again.  

No stereotyping. It's just the psychology works. You grow up with some beliefs and one day find out that they don't match the life anymore. Or that you're suddenly different. Some people accept it, some freak out, some try to pretend nothing happened

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

That poster could have a point. I mean, I'd totally give up the ass for Varric.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Right, I've got a van here for the remains of a dead horse, I think I can get a good price for it from Tesco - value mince anyone?

And Iron Bull. I cannot get to grips with that name, it still sounds like a blend of two soft drinks. Is he bright orange with lots of caffeine?

I don't think I'd play it, but Qunari love interest doesn't seem a horrible idea. In fact I'd hope it could enhance the friendship side of the content. Someone would have to think about how that character could be a love interest, which I can imagine throwing up more details on Qunari society.

[Chari]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

That poster could have a point. I mean, I'd totally give up the ass for Varric.

It doesn't mean he would give up the ass for you ;3
Then again, he has Bianca who is not quite dead...

[Blackrising]

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

If that is offensive, so is implying that there are no gray areas between these three sexualities.

[WildOrchid]

Chari wrote...


That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

Player sexuals. Not bi. Huge difference.

[Chari]

Narrow Margin wrote...

Right, I've got a van here for the remains of a dead horse, I think I can get a good price for it from Tesco - value mince anyone?

And Iron Bull. I cannot get to grips with that name, it still sounds like a blend of two soft drinks. Is he bright orange with lots of caffeine?

I don't think I'd play it, but Qunari love interest doesn't seem a horrible idea. In fact I'd hope it could enhance the friendship side of the content. Someone would have to think about how that character could be a love interest, which I can imagine throwing up more details on Qunari society.

I'm afraid one of the reasons he won't be LI is his appearance. 
He is not some pretty boy with perfect body. Not everyone will enjoy such a company 

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Chari wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

That poster could have a point. I mean, I'd totally give up the ass for Varric.

It doesn't mean he would give up the ass for you ;3
Then again, he has Bianca who is not quite dead...

That'd be quite the love triangle. Would it be too much to ask for Bianca to be romanceable? 

[Chari]

Blackrising wrote...

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

If that is offensive, so is implying that there are no gray areas between these three sexualities.

Bioware don't make life-challenging games and they definitelly aren't professional psychologists who research sexuality. They use commonly known and used terms and concepts. And that's ok, otherwise people would simply get confused

[Chari]

WildOrchid wrote...

Chari wrote...


That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

Player sexuals. Not bi. Huge difference.

No such thing as Playersexual. And don't go about pansexuals. This is one tricky concept that I do not want to discuss, the horse is dead already

[Ianamus]

Blackrising wrote...

Wait, are you referring to my post?
If so, you must have misunderstood. Nowhere did I imply that all men were homophobic. Why would I?
My point is simply that a large part of the population is stuck in a heteronormative worldview. That has nothing to do with homophobia and everything to do with upbringing and the way society is built. It's also not restricted to men.
Heteronormativity is a problem, yes, but more often than not, the reinforcement of such stereotypes is unintentional. Which is why I said that a few LGBTQ views on certain topics would balance it out.

The Dragon Age writing team does have LGBTQ members already, I think. 

I'm not going to say any more on that though, because I don't think it's appropriate to discuss here. 

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 08:17 .

[Chari]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Chari wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

That poster could have a point. I mean, I'd totally give up the ass for Varric.

It doesn't mean he would give up the ass for you ;3
Then again, he has Bianca who is not quite dead...

That'd be quite the love triangle. Would it be too much to ask for Bianca to be romanceable? 

If she was in party - maybe XD
Yeah, love triangles, I definitelly wouldn't mind one

[daveliam]

Chari wrote...

Vapaä wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Or a straight LI. Straight/bi/gay women like Traynor exist. That's why I'm saying that sexuality does not define a person's personality.

Yup, exactly because her sexual orientation isn't talked about, I actually forgot about it

Chari wrote...

Tell my poor Shepard about it XD Then again, he's one lucky bastard.

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked
with little to no reason

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

What about this then:

Scenario 1: 
Male Inquisitor romances Lady X.  She expresses that she has been in relationships with women in the past but is attracted to the Male Inq because of [blank].  (Indicating some level of bi-sexuality)
OR
Male Inquisitor romances Lady Y.  She expresses that all of her past relationships were with men.

Scenario 2:
Female Inquisitor romances Lady X.  She expresses that she has be in relationships with women in the past.
OR
Female Inquisitor romances Lady Y.  She expresses that all of her past relationships were with men but she is attracted to the Female Inq because of [blank].  (Indicating some level of bi-sexuality).

The character has not been changed in any way except for the gender of the person that she is romancing so there would not be any devaluing of her character, but would allow each playthrough to establish a "canon" sexuality for the character. 

I really do see this as the way it is for Merrill and Fenris.  Neither of them show any same sex attraction unless Hawke initiates a flirt with them.  For me, Merrill's sexuality is not defined because I've never explored that with the character.  And I'm okay with that.

It's similar to how, in my main playthrough, The Warden didn't make the ultimate sacrifice OR do the black ritual with Morrigan, but in other people's s/he did those things.  It doesn't cheapen my experience to know that other players' experiences are different than mine.

[Blackrising]

Narrow Margin wrote...

Right, I've got a van here for the remains of a dead horse, I think I can get a good price for it from Tesco - value mince anyone?

And Iron Bull. I cannot get to grips with that name, it still sounds like a blend of two soft drinks. Is he bright orange with lots of caffeine?

I don't think I'd play it, but Qunari love interest doesn't seem a horrible idea. In fact I'd hope it could enhance the friendship side of the content. Someone would have to think about how that character could be a love interest, which I can imagine throwing up more details on Qunari society.

I agree. That's something I find really interesting about Qunari society. They don't view intimacy the same way humans, elves and dwarves do.
Sex is for procreation.
So what happens when a Qunari is suddenly confronted with someone who likes them in a romantic way and, more importantly, what happens if that Qunari finds they might be returning those feelings?
Is the Qunari's view on romance brought on by their culture, or are they maybe biologically different?
What would happen to a Qunari who decides to act on these feelings? How would the rest of them react?
A romantic entanglement would challenge the Qunari's belief of their own culture, as well as other people's believes of Qunari culture, and I will probably never understand why Gaider & co haven't jumped on that opportunity yet.

Oh well, I'm certain a a Qunari companion that fits the bill will come along sooner or later.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

**** all this this noise.

Qunari players, mother****ers. I wonder how this will affect love interests in dragon age 3?

[Ianamus]

Vapaä wrote...

Sam should've been open to both genders...just like every LI in the 3 ME games should, and it's not even the most jarring exemple of a character being locked with little to no reason

I disagree here. I thought that Samantha was handled really well. I really liked, more than a lot of the female LI's that were open to my male Shepard, but I wouldn't have changed her, because that was part of who she was and it was brought up.

The only issue I have are with unequal number of options or all s/s only Li's being given NPC roles (Mass Effect 3 I can forgive as it was the first time including them at all).

Narrow Margin wrote...

Right, I've got a van here for the remains of a dead horse, I think I can get a good price for it from Tesco - value mince anyone?

And Iron Bull. I cannot get to grips with that name, it still sounds like a blend of two soft drinks. Is he bright orange with lots of caffeine? 

I don't think I'd play it, but Qunari love interest doesn't seem a horrible idea. In fact I'd hope it could enhance the friendship side of the content. Someone would have to think about how that character could be a love interest, which I can imagine throwing up more details on Qunari society.

I don't know. It would be an intersting to explore, but I'm not sure the idea of a chaste romance with someone who has little self-worth outside of their role in society appeals to me. 

Modifié par EJ107, 31 août 2013 - 08:20 .

[Chari]

AAAH! THE INQUISITOR CAN BE A KOSSTH!
Now the only thing we need is Iron Bull firting. Even if not romance (not my type) but at least flirting!

[Vapaa]

Chari wrote...

That would imply that everyone is bi. No straights, no gays. That's simply offensive

I'm fine with everyone being bi