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[sandalisthemaker]

 Update:  http://www.gameinfor...tion-intel.aspx
Apparently some Templars have resorted to using Red Lyrium, which may drive them crazy/evil.

Neat gameplay video that mentions Red Templars.   

The fate of Cerberus is pretty much my impression of where the Templar order is headed in DA:I.
The latest GameInformer article really does nothing to place the Templars in a more favorable light.
They have basically gone rogue from the Chantry and are "hunting mages in the streets." 
Visions of Templars as the bulk of the human enemy mooks are going through my mind.

So what do you guys think?
Do you think the Templars will get the Cerberus treatment in DA:I?


I don't necessarily want this to happen, as I am pretty much neutral towards the Mage/Templar conflict.
This is just a gut feeling I'm currently having.

Here is a new monster, that at first I just thought was a rock wraith that had consumed Red Lyrium (the way they were doing it in the Deep Roads in DA2).  However, it has been brought to my attention that the monster is wearing Templar armor. The insignia is on its chest.  The only conclusion that I can draw from this is that this creature used to be a Templar. 
The ultimate result of Red Lyrium abuse, perhaps?   Or is this just a case of the Templar version of abomination?

Very curious.



Here's  new artwork that shows the Templars in an unfavorable light.  They are about to storm a mage camp. There is a baby in one of the Mage's arms, and the mage in the foreground seems to be resorting to blood magic out of desperation.  

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 septembre 2013 - 09:18 .

[In Exile]

I thought they got the Cerberus treatment in DA:O so... I mean, I'm not seeing where the understandable side of their plight was supposed to be. I guess Gregoire was a perfectly reasonable jailer? But he's about the only one who didn't go full up on the crazy from the get-go. And, I suppose, Cullen, but only in the sense that he just seemed like an unbelievable creeper before going full-on crazy.

[LolaLei]

Don't forget that the templars also split into two camps after Lambert separated them from the Chantry. You've got your rebelled ones who left with Lambert and your Divine loyal ones.

So I guess it just depends on which ones turn out to be the worst, lol.

[Ianamus]

I think the majority of the human enemy forces will be the new faction mentioned in the combat mechanics video "Ventari" or something.

I don't think Templars will be portrayed as bad as a whole, and I'm sure not all will go around killing mages on sight. I do have to wonder how the more extreme ones would react to the mages in our party or a mage inquisitor though. Technically even Vivienne is now an apostate in their eyes, and she is very pro-circle. I can't see the mages randomly attacking the group because of the non-mages in it.

We have yet to see how the veil tear will affect mages though. It's quite possible that while we have templars running around killing mages we also have free mages being possesed in the streets and shooting fireballs at local Chantry's. 

I'm sure they'll play it carefully though. The article said that DA:2 showed us the worst of both sides and implied that this time we would see the better sides of both factions.

Modifié par EJ107, 19 août 2013 - 11:41 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I think the Chantry and the Templars deserve to be portrayed exactly as they have been - which would be overbearing, religiously intolerant, intrusive, and manipulative - with an amazing tendency to overstep their bounds.

[iOnlySignIn]

LolaLei wrote...

Don't forget that the templars also split into two camps after Lambert separated them from the Chantry. You've got your rebelled ones who left with Lambert and your Divine loyal ones.

So, like Cerberus and Ex-Cerberus in ME3?

Perhaps Jennifer Hale will voice an Ex-Templar leading a group of Ex-Templar refugees.

[Plaintiff]

I can taste the rage tears already.

I already know how I feel about the templars, I can't foresee them being depicted in any way that would change my mind.

[LolaLei]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Don't forget that the templars also split into two camps after Lambert separated them from the Chantry. You've got your rebelled ones who left with Lambert and your Divine loyal ones.

So, like Cerberus and Ex-Cerberus in ME3?

Perhaps Jennifer Hale will voice an Ex-Templar leading a group of Ex-Templar refugees.

Lol, that would be pretty awesome! Especially since male and female Hawke's voice actors played ex-Cerberus scientists in ME3.

[In Exile]

I'm just honestly curious what Bioware could do to show them in a worse light.

Planning genocide? Alirk already beat them to that one. Condoning genocide? Cullen's got that one covered. Carrying out a genocide? On so many levels, they've been doing it for two games and a few centuries. Sexual abuse? Alirk goes for two. Psychological abuse? Find me a templar who isn't guilty of this one. 

What have the templars done that isn't as bad as Cerberus? 

Modifié par In Exile, 19 août 2013 - 11:46 .

[Volus Warlord]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

 This is pretty much my impression of where the order is headed in DA:I.
The latest GameInformer article really does nothing to place the Templars in a more favorable light.
They have basically gone rogue from the Chantry and are "hunting mages in the streets." 
Visions of Templars as the bulk of the human enemy mooks are going through my mind.

So what do you guys think?
Do you think the Templars will get the Cerberus treatment in DA:I?

Are you asking if the Templars will become Lolplars? 

Maybe. 

[sandalisthemaker]

In Exile wrote...

I'm just honestly curious what Bioware could do to show them in a worse light.

Planning genocide? Alirk already beat them to that one. Condoning genocide? Cullen's got that one covered. Carrying out a genocide? On so many levels, they've been doing it for two games and a few centuries. Sexual abuse? Alirk goes for two. Psychological abuse? Find me a templar who isn't guilty of this one. 

What have the templars done that isn't as bad as Cerberus? 

What I meant was making them a mostly unredeemable enemy faction. 
They've already got the imagery down:  faceless behind cold steel masks/helmets.  Kind of like Cerberus  
They are also, "enraged that the Chantry doesn't see things their way,"  Their brutality may end up being played up even more.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 19 août 2013 - 11:50 .

[leaguer of one]

No, the concept and ideals of the Templar's and Cerberus is dramatically different outside of the the sin of hubris both factions have. Cerberus is a group that about advancing there own race even if it means then have to drag there race with them kicking and screaming to do it. Their way of doing that throws all ethics out the window. The group may have good people in it but it's superseded by the core of the foundation.

The Templars are about protecting the world from the dangers of magic and ignorance of it. They do this by controlling mages. Add they are also there to protect mages from others and from the mages themselves. The Templar's issue is that they don't agree as a group as which way to do that with each group having there own way to do so from benevolent to extreme. Added, you have the beliefs of the chanrty muddying the concept of the Templar job by spreading the fear of mages to anyone who my want to become a Templar.

In short on group want to advance no matter the cost and one group want to protect no matter the cost. While Cerberus takes a gray area to the extreme, Templar's have a point it how they do it that's the problem

Modifié par leaguer of one, 19 août 2013 - 11:55 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Lolplars is a wonderful, wonderful word.

[Ianamus]

In Exile wrote...

I'm just honestly curious what Bioware could do to show them in a worse light.

Planning genocide? Alirk already beat them to that one. Condoning genocide? Cullen's got that one covered. Carrying out a genocide? On so many levels, they've been doing it for two games and a few centuries. Sexual abuse? Alirk goes for two. Psychological abuse? Find me a templar who isn't guilty of this one. 

What have the templars done that isn't as bad as Cerberus? 

They didn't sacrifice hundreds of slaves in order to physically enter the fade, subsequently creating the darkspawn who would go on to kill untold thousands and almost wipe the dwarves to extinction. 

Mages have that one covered. 

Modifié par EJ107, 19 août 2013 - 11:55 .

[Plaintiff]

EJ107 wrote...

In Exile wrote...

I'm just honestly curious what Bioware could do to show them in a worse light.

Planning genocide? Alirk already beat them to that one. Condoning genocide? Cullen's got that one covered. Carrying out a genocide? On so many levels, they've been doing it for two games and a few centuries. Sexual abuse? Alirk goes for two. Psychological abuse? Find me a templar who isn't guilty of this one. 

What have the templars done that isn't as bad as Cerberus? 

They didn't sacrifice hundreds of slaves in order to physically enter the fade, subsequently creating the darkspawn who would go on to kill untold thousands and almost wipe the dwarves to extinction. 

Mages have that one covered. 

Proof?

Also, where's the logic in imprisoning people for a crime committed by individuals they aren't even related to, who lived thousands of years ago?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 août 2013 - 11:57 .

[devSin]

The templars are not a terrorist organization, no.

But I'd suppose they have become too extreme to plausibly return to any sort of legitimate effectiveness (and I think that's more in line with the actual statements than some cartoonish evil empire).

Modifié par devSin, 19 août 2013 - 11:59 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

You know full well they have no proof sassy ahaa

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Double post

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 19 août 2013 - 11:59 .

[wolfhowwl]

Do you remember Corypheus?

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 19 août 2013 - 11:59 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Do you remember Corypheus?

He SUGGESTED things, but didnt state anything like what EJ107 was saying.

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 20 août 2013 - 12:01 .

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

In Exile wrote...

I'm just honestly curious what Bioware could do to show them in a worse light.

Planning genocide? Alirk already beat them to that one. Condoning genocide? Cullen's got that one covered. Carrying out a genocide? On so many levels, they've been doing it for two games and a few centuries. Sexual abuse? Alirk goes for two. Psychological abuse? Find me a templar who isn't guilty of this one. 

What have the templars done that isn't as bad as Cerberus? 

They didn't sacrifice hundreds of slaves in order to physically enter the fade, subsequently creating the darkspawn who would go on to kill untold thousands and almost wipe the dwarves to extinction. 

Mages have that one covered. 

Proof?

Also, where's the logic in imprisoning people for a crime committed by individuals they aren't even related to, who lived thousands of years ago?

And that were the " how" they deal with mages are the problem not the" they have to deal with mages" is the problem.

Mages need to be taught how to use there powers correctly. So I agree that youth with magic have to go to the circle, but that does not mean they have to say there the rest of there lives. The rule being there is the fault of the chantry not the templar's.

Added, I can easilly see how blood magic can get out of had if the rulers of the land want a cheap an effective weapon. Imagine when the Orliens invades Fereldin they got a mage to make a harvester infest ferelidin land to weaken all resistance.

[leaguer of one]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Do you remember Corypheus?

He SUGGESTED things, but didnt state anything like what EJ107 was saying.

Harvesters...

[Ianamus]

ManchesterUnitedFan1 wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Do you remember Corypheus?

He SUGGESTED things, but didnt state anything like what EJ107 was saying.

Corypheus was one of the magisters who entered the fade at the call of Dumat. He is now a darkspawn, stated to be one of the oldest. And you're trying to tell me that magisters didn't enter the fade and turn into the first darkspawn?

Um... alright...

Plaintiff wrote...

Proof?

Also, where's the logic in imprisoning people for a crime committed by individuals they aren't even related to, who lived thousands of years ago?

See above for proof. It's pretty well-known lore. 

The person I quoted was listing how individual Templars actions make the Templars look bad, so I listed what individual mages have done. It just happens to be far, far worse. 

If the circle had existed in Tevinter at the time of the creation of the Darkspawn they would never have been allowed to carry out that ritual, the Darkspawn would never have been created and all the people killed by Darkspawn or the taint would never have died. If people have the power to cause that much devastation they have to be regulated, or another incident like the creation of the darkspawn could happen again. 

Modifié par EJ107, 20 août 2013 - 12:11 .

[MisterJB]

I hope you're wrong. I read the article and it didn't seem that damning. It didn't single out the templars when it said Inquisition would be about showing people from these factions who believe they're doing what is right.

[Plaintiff]

EJ107 wrote...
Corypheus was one of the magisters who entered the fade at the call of Dumat. He is now a darkspawn, stated to be one of the oldest. And you're trying to tell me that magisters didn't enter the fade and turn into the first darkspawn?

Corypheus is deranged and thus unreliable. Besides that, you inferred a lot of specifics "such as the slaughtering of thousands of slaves" from his extremely vague testimony.

The person I quoted was listing how individual Templars actions make the Templars look bad, so I listed what individual mages have done. It just happens to be far, far worse.

a) It's not proven.

Those mages are long since dead.

If the circle had existed in Tevinter at the time of the creation of the Darkspawn they would never have been allowed to carry out that ritual, the Darkspawn would never have been created and all the people killed by Darkspawn or the taint would never have died.

Pointless speculation.

If people have the power to cause that much devastation they have to be regulated, or another incident like the creation of the darkspawn could happen again.

Pre-emptively punishing people for having the potential to cause harm is never the right answer.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 20 août 2013 - 12:22 .