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[leaguer of one]

The Hierophant wrote...

It didn't matter anyway as Cerberus was an army of indoctrinated gun toting mooks who's leader was mind controlled by robo cuttlefish. The conflict of ideologies was rendered moot with that reveal as TIM/Cerberus were brainwashed puppets. What's so engaging about a conflict in which you are in the right by default?

Then how come we found out that we can control the reapers. The only way TIM would be totaly wrong is if we find out it was impossible. We find that it's possible 2 times over. 
Heck, the reaper were so afraid of cerberus accomplisment that they attacked cerberus to try and cover it up.
Cerberus may have been indoctrinated but they were never fully control by the reapers.

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

KainD wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Extremism only hurts a cause.

Only if you care about opinions of other people and want their support. Personally I don't give a damn what others think, I am just doing what I feel like doing, regardless. 

Learn the meaning of every action has a reaction. That only works if you are not going to be part of civilisation.

It works fine, you just have to dominate others. 

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

KainD wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Extremism only hurts a cause.

Only if you care about opinions of other people and want their support. Personally I don't give a damn what others think, I am just doing what I feel like doing, regardless. 

Learn the meaning of every action has a reaction. That only works if you are not going to be part of civilisation.

It works fine, you just have to dominate others. 

If that were true then the treatment of mages is justified. It's not a crime if the dominate do it.
Does that mean rape is legal for the dominate?

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

If that were true then the treatment of mages is justified. It's not a crime if the dominate do it.
Does that mean rape is legal for the dominate?

Of course the treatment of mages is justified. I just like mages more so.. in my playthrough I want mages to dominate instead. 

Yes rape is legal for the dominate. Masters have sex with unwanting slaves all the time. 

PS: I like how rape always finds it's way into most threads.

[leaguer of one]

KainD wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

If that were true then the treatment of mages is justified. It's not a crime if the dominate do it.
Does that mean rape is legal for the dominate?

Of course the treatment of mages is justified. I just like mages more so.. in my playthrough I want mages to dominate instead. 

Yes rape is legal for the dominate. Masters have sex with unwanting slaves all the time. 

PS: I like how rape always finds it's way into most threads.

Wow, it's like you were raised by drow elves, Protheans and sith.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 22 août 2013 - 02:22 .

[KainD]

leaguer of one wrote...

Wow, it's like you were raised by drow elves, Protheans and sith.

It's just how nature works, the strongest survives and does what they like. This philosophy is simple and it works. 

Morals are so grey otherwise, you never know where to draw the line with half-as*ed compromises. Morals vary from society to society, are relative. Moral spreading is often a product of indoctrination. Etc.

Just f*ck it - strongest decides what goes around - simple, convienient, fair.

[The Hierophant]

Oops my bad for just noticing.

leaguer of one wrote...

Then how come we found out that we can control the reapers. The only way TIM would be totaly wrong is if we find out it was impossible. We find that it's possible 2 times over.

Just because it's possible doesn't mean his actions are justified or that it won't backfire later considering that he's already indoctrinated.

Heck, the reaper were so afraid of cerberus accomplisment that they attacked cerberus to try and cover it up.
Cerberus may have been indoctrinated but they were never fully control by the reapers.

Limited control is a risk as the target can try to rebel, but full on mind control severely hampers the puppet's capabilities to the point that it's noticeable, but up until that point Cerberus' actions mostly benefited the Reapers.

So far I'd prefer it that the members of DAI's factions are not dumbed down to an army of zombies, for combat's sake.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

Not saying that you should get the bad "lose the game" ending either, just not the "best" one. Sort of like, tevinter, begins expanding it's borders, annexing territory in fereldan, orlais, nevarran, antiva, and anderfels, and seems to be rising once more to being ruelr of thedas. That way, you can justify them not being in power in the next game, by attaching an expansion of the history which states their invasions were stopped by the other nations pushing back.

On that same token, folks who work to kill all mages should get a similar ending as well, in which orlais officially delcares many areas of thedas as colonies of orlais, the chantry devouted citizens supporting the action while the nationalist are highly opposed, the templar order now able to be utilized as a military order against normal citizens. This can also be explained in the next game with orlais not being powerful as the rise of mage births requiring the majority of them to return to their duties to the circle, but with many people now highly weary and suspicious of the chantry.

That's my two cents anyway. Comparing the templars to cerberus just doesn't seem correct, considering the two are structured, operate, and believe in entirely different sets of principles, motives, and actions.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 22 août 2013 - 04:44 .

[Xilizhra]

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

Do you feel the same about the opposite? If MisterJB kills all the mages and doesn't get their support, should he be able to get the best ending?

I don't believe he should have the option.

[sandalisthemaker]

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

Do you feel the same about the opposite? If MisterJB kills all the mages and doesn't get their support, should he be able to get the best ending?

I don't believe he should have the option.

While I tend to lean slighty pro mage, I don't think that having the option to decimate theTemplars should be provided without also having the option of decimating the mage resistance. 

[Xilizhra]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

Do you feel the same about the opposite? If MisterJB kills all the mages and doesn't get their support, should he be able to get the best ending?

I don't believe he should have the option.

While I tend to lean slighty pro mage, I don't think that having the option to decimate theTemplars should be provided without also having the option of decimating the mage resistance. 

First of all, that's a false equivalence; the mage rebellion is on the same level as Justinia's Chantry. You're looking for Tevinter agents or something.

Second, it's never been an option to massively alter the political face of Thedas, for good reasons; it'd make creating future games hell, or force Bioware to ignore some player choices. As such, it seems most logical to keep one general political future for Thedas with only some details changed. Given that just sticking the mages back into the Circle would render this whole plot pointless and that the templars have well overstayed their welcome as it is, I believe the best option is a future with the mages free and templars either gone or scattered.

You're evading the question, Xil, and if I were given to mere implication I'd say that's answer enough.

See this post.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 22 août 2013 - 03:26 .

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

Do you feel the same about the opposite? If MisterJB kills all the mages and doesn't get their support, should he be able to get the best ending?

I don't believe he should have the option.

But he should have the option to kill all the templars?

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

Do you feel the same about the opposite? If MisterJB kills all the mages and doesn't get their support, should he be able to get the best ending?

I don't believe he should have the option.

But he should have the option to kill all the templars?

Yes. I'd also let him kill all of the Tevinter agents.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 22 août 2013 - 03:27 .

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I hope in the game, if you decide to kill all the templars and don't get their support, than you aren't able to get the best ending.

No.

Do you feel the same about the opposite? If MisterJB kills all the mages and doesn't get their support, should he be able to get the best ending?

I don't believe he should have the option.

But he should have the option to kill all the templars?

Yes. I'd also let him kill all of the Tevinter agents.

Your biasness knows no bounds and I'm glad your nowhere near the Bioware team

[Xilizhra]

You're wrong as of DA I, Xil. We know that the Templars have split from the Chantry. The Chantry is a neutral party in that war. The two sides are mages and Templars.

I'm referring to moderation/extremity.

Your biasness knows no bounds and I'm glad your nowhere near the Bioware team

What? He gets to kill all of the imperialists or whatever he wants.

[sandalisthemaker]

I tend not to be an extremist when it comes to the mage/templar issue. Personally, I am on the fence of whether or not the circle system is a valid one.

But I feel that if you want to play as an extremist, you should have the option to be an extremist on both sides, not just one. It may make things tricky for the next installment, true.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 22 août 2013 - 03:33 .

[Steelcan]

I want my option to bring back Tevinter to its former glory.

MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE!!!!!

[The Hierophant]

lol

[AresKeith]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

I tend not to be an extremist when it comes to the mage/templar issue. Personally, I am on the fence of whether or not the circle system is a valid one.

But I feel that if you want to play as an extremist, you should have the option to be an extremist on both sides, not just one. It may make things tricky for the next installment, true.

Personally I feel the Circle was a good idea for Mages to learn how to use their magic and other skills, but it too strict 

And not all Templars are cruel to the Mages, so a reformed Circle wouldn't be a bad idea