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[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

One thing that inspires confidence is that templars are apparently a recruitable faction.

On what basis?

That the game won't force your character to be one way or the other?I know I plan to recruit the templars and mages if they can get along so that my character can focus of the bigger threat.

[Cainhurst Crow]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

duckley wrote...

Can anyone explain the notion that all Templars are abusive?

The Harrowing is abuse.

Tranquility is abuse.

Taking children away from their families is abuse.

All Templars can be called on at any time to perform these tasks.

So is slavery yet I don't see you arguing all mages are abusive.
Blood magic:bandit:
Except for mages like Wynne then it's a rescue from abuse.:innocent:

And a mage can blow up a city at anytime;)

First mages are not organization like templars we don't scream that humans are guilty for templars actions is tevinter guilty yes humans or mages guilty no.

Blood magic isn't evil just chantry propaganda because they can't control it that same for shapeshifter blood magic is tool if it is evil sword and other magic which can hurt is evil too.

Where mage can blow up city you mean anders he must know formula for this even hawke or merril doesn't know about it and we don't know if magic was used or just magical components to create bomb most mages at best we see can use flamethrower from hands.

Templars in itself are kicking dog organization they even don't care about morals good mage or bad mage most of them doesn't care if someone order them kill they kill.

1. Templars differ from nation to nation, with different means of going about their jobs, different cultural views, different standards. There is no standardized templars as far as I have seen, they all vary, and you can't really treat them as one just because of the title.

2. Blood magic is evil, very evil. It's nature requires you to make some very evil choices to use it, cuasing suffering as a requirement as well as bloodshed. And it is a path to becoming a demon puppet and abomination. You can become good while using blood  magic, but that is very rare, rare enough that you could almost be right to discount it.

3. Just use firestorm or storm of the century continously, you'll leave the town nothing but a smoldering husk by daybreak. And judgeing by the massive glowing red energy, the chantry literally breaking into pieces and floating into the sky, before exploding. Yeah, I'd say magic was involved.

4. You made that entire portion up as a generalization and rationalization for your discriminatory hatred of templars. It's not even worth a response.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

duckley wrote...

Can anyone explain the notion that all Templars are abusive?

The Harrowing is abuse.

Tranquility is abuse.

Taking children away from their families is abuse.

All Templars can be called on at any time to perform these tasks.

So is slavery yet I don't see you arguing all mages are abusive.
Blood magic:bandit:
Except for mages like Wynne then it's a rescue from abuse.:innocent:

And a mage can blow up a city at anytime;)

First mages are not organization like templars we don't scream that humans are guilty for templars actions is tevinter guilty yes humans or mages guilty no.

Blood magic isn't evil just chantry propaganda because they can't control it that same for shapeshifter blood magic is tool if it is evil sword and other magic which can hurt is evil too.

Where mage can blow up city you mean anders he must know formula for this even hawke or merril doesn't know about it and we don't know if magic was used or just magical components to create bomb most mages at best we see can use flamethrower from hands.

Templars in itself are kicking dog organization they even don't care about morals good mage or bad mage most of them doesn't care if someone order them kill they kill.

1. Templars differ from nation to nation, with different means of going about their jobs, different cultural views, different standards. There is no standardized templars as far as I have seen, they all vary, and you can't really treat them as one just because of the title.

2. Blood magic is evil, very evil. It's nature requires you to make some very evil choices to use it, cuasing suffering as a requirement as well as bloodshed. And it is a path to becoming a demon puppet and abomination. You can become good while using blood  magic, but that is very rare, rare enough that you could almost be right to discount it.

3. Just use firestorm or storm of the century continously, you'll leave the town nothing but a smoldering husk by daybreak. And judgeing by the massive glowing red energy, the chantry literally breaking into pieces and floating into the sky, before exploding. Yeah, I'd say magic was involved.

4. You made that entire portion up as a generalization and rationalization for your discriminatory hatred of templars. It's not even worth a response.

LoL templar is order they common goals , methods and religion and they are teached in that same way with very small differences.

evil not make me laugh you can throw fireball and cause painful death you can use own blood so you don't know what you saying.And don't need demon to use blood magic at least from that they show us for example jowan.

Sorry sorry guy gameplay and actuall lore are two separte thing when some things they have common and need be consistent classes skills like disappearing in the middle of the fight or others skills which are practically magic are impossible we never seen that in cutscenes.Magic with mage doesn't have to be involved yes could be and may be but components would be magical like that to create items for example dragon bone. 

Again your blindness about templars yes templars is that type organization they job is imprison mages and kill them if they don't want live like they want to live to bad you will be killed or made zombie (read fate worse than dead) i don't even mention that they make peoples addicted well they are also chantry military force you don't want bow to chantry they find excuse and destroy you i could talk more but waste of time.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 05:37 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Except mages destroying entire cities on accident/purpose is in the lore too.

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall.

Connor was demon and isolde send most of her warriors to search ashes and since when redcliffe is city small village.

Anders need recipe and rare magical components even hawke and merril doesn't know about it and that only blew up one building.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Connor was a demon because he was a mage and even with the knights there they probably would have been slaughtered because a desire demon is actually a pretty damn big deal in lore. And Redcliffe is a pretty sizable village and a bulk of your forces for the final battle come from that area.

And? Anders still managed to destroy a rather large building and cause a lot of collateral damage by destroying it with his magic dirty bomb. Rarity shouldn't matter, especially since any idiot can replicate it if Anders is any indication.

Connor was demon because he read jowan book who himself wasn't to competent redclife is size of lothering not too big and and in lothering are soldiers who arl eamon gathered.  Well you can create home made bomb just read about it in internet maybe even non mage could do that just know alchemy.

[DKJaigen]

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

Modifié par DKJaigen, 22 août 2013 - 06:09 .

[Steelcan]

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

You'd probably have to use some serious blood magic for it, but I don't see it being infeasible.

[Dave of Canada]

DKJaigen wrote...

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.

A little untrained mage boy managed to slaughter an entire castle, guardsmen included. He proceeded to raise them from the dead, used them against the village and would slaughter them all depending on the player's actions. Without the player's amazing combat skills and ability to fight hundreds of people without flinching, Redcliffe would probably still be under Connor's control.

Considering an abomination's strength is proportional to the mage's training and the strength of the demon, one would worry about what would occur if a pride demon possessed a senio- oh wait, we saw that and the entire Circle filled with mages and trained professionals who's entire purpose is to defeat spellcasters was overrun.

Lord knows what would've occured if this were to happen in a cit- oh wait, we've got Kirkwall!

[TheKomandorShepard]

Steelcan wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

You'd probably have to use some serious blood magic for it, but I don't see it being infeasible.

Well if they could do that tevinter would destroy qunari because that would be fight nuke vs cannons.

[leaguer of one]

badboy64 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

duckley wrote...

Can anyone explain the notion that all Templars are abusive?

The Harrowing is abuse.

Tranquility is abuse.

Taking children away from their families is abuse.

All Templars can be called on at any time to perform these tasks.

The harrowing is nessiary to teach mages how to deal with resisting demons.

There mages who ask to be tranquil , so no it's not abuse unless it's forced.

Taking children from their family is also nessissary because they would be worst off ignorant of how to control magic and resist demons.

Please try agein.

I can see that what the harrowing is for them to resist a demon and if they pass it they are still kept in the tower regardless. No wonder some of the mages want to be tranquill because of the abuse from the templars for the last 1000 years. Can you blame them? Taken away from their homes at a young age and never to see their parents again or never being free from the templars grasp period.<_< I bet alot of mages regardless if they go through the harrowing or not never even think of going to blood mage or becoming a abomination if they want to. That is what happens to most when they get pushed a little too far to protect themselves from their abusers.<_<

Taking them from there homes ia nessary to teach them to learn how to deal with a dangerous power. The problem is what happen after they proven themselves.

[leaguer of one]

DKJaigen wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

duckley wrote...

Can anyone explain the notion that all Templars are abusive?

The Harrowing is abuse.

Tranquility is abuse.

Taking children away from their families is abuse.

All Templars can be called on at any time to perform these tasks.

The harrowing is nessiary to teach mages how to deal with resisting demons.

There mages who ask to be tranquil , so no it's not abuse unless it's forced.

Taking children from their family is also nessissary because they would be worst off ignorant of how to control magic and resist demons.

Please try agein.

While i agree that mages need to be tested i find the way they do it crude and unreliable.

It's more reliable then doing nothing. It's not a 100% guarrantee but it better then having a mage get possessed out of ignorance.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



LoL templar is order they common goals , methods and religion and they are teached in that same way with very small differences.

evil not make me laugh you can throw fireball and cause painful death you can use own blood so you don't know what you saying.And don't need demon to use blood magic at least from that they show us for example jowan.

Sorry sorry guy gameplay and actuall lore are two separte thing when some things they have common and need be consistent classes skills like disappearing in the middle of the fight or others skills which are practically magic are impossible we never seen that in cutscenes.Magic with mage doesn't have to be involved yes could be and may be but components would be magical like that to create items for example dragon bone. 

Again your blindness about templars yes templars is that type organization they job is imprison mages and kill them if they don't want live like they want to live to bad you will be killed or made zombie (read fate worse than dead) i don't even mention that they make peoples addicted well they are also chantry military force you don't want bow to chantry they find excuse and destroy you i could talk more but waste of time.

Wrong. The major problem here is people think Templers are anti mage. In the foundation of order it not. They protect the world from magic, not mages. Mages are an avatar of these magic and those have to be overseen by accessory. Templers guard mage from the world, the world from magic, and protect mages from them selves. Different orders of templer work in different way, like the fereldin circle is no were near like Kirk walls circle.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

You'd probably have to use some serious blood magic for it, but I don't see it being infeasible.

Well if they could do that tevinter would destroy qunari because that would be fight nuke vs cannons.

The qunari also uses blood magic.

[Shadow Fox]

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

And why do you think that was?
Fair enough
Meredith's sister and abominations

[leaguer of one]

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

The point still stands. And kirkwall is still standing because someone stopped the abominations.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



LoL templar is order they common goals , methods and religion and they are teached in that same way with very small differences.

evil not make me laugh you can throw fireball and cause painful death you can use own blood so you don't know what you saying.And don't need demon to use blood magic at least from that they show us for example jowan.

Sorry sorry guy gameplay and actuall lore are two separte thing when some things they have common and need be consistent classes skills like disappearing in the middle of the fight or others skills which are practically magic are impossible we never seen that in cutscenes.Magic with mage doesn't have to be involved yes could be and may be but components would be magical like that to create items for example dragon bone. 

Again your blindness about templars yes templars is that type organization they job is imprison mages and kill them if they don't want live like they want to live to bad you will be killed or made zombie (read fate worse than dead) i don't even mention that they make peoples addicted well they are also chantry military force you don't want bow to chantry they find excuse and destroy you i could talk more but waste of time.

Wrong. The major problem here is people think Templers are anti mage. In the foundation of order it not. They protect the world from magic, not mages. Mages are an avatar of these magic and those have to be overseen by accessory. Templers guard mage from the world, the world from magic, and protect mages from them selves. Different orders of templer work in different way, like the fereldin circle is no were near like Kirk walls circle.

white spire?
Not true that they guard mages from the world a great number of templars shares hate or feart towards mages i don't tell that everyone but many many of them.Kirkwall clear shows that they don't care about mages meredith want kill them because peoples would want revenge they don't have problem with it despite they should protect mages.In ferelden situation wasn't uncontrollable they want kill them because that was the easiest way and in end turned out that many mages could be saved how many such situations when you declare that you are someone guard you take risk that you will protect that person even if that cost your life templars doesn't. Templars doesn't want protect mages they want control them well if you don't want live as they want well as i said...

Even in ferelden circle templar word is over mage word and irving know that that you need prove that lily is involved gregoir even want punish you if you helped them prove that.

leaguer of one wrote...
The qunari also uses blood magic.

Maybe perhas i don't know but they still use such weapon if they had such besides that qunari magic backward to tevinter due hate to magic if tevinter could do that thedas could easily defeated by tevinter.
 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 07:45 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



LoL templar is order they common goals , methods and religion and they are teached in that same way with very small differences.

evil not make me laugh you can throw fireball and cause painful death you can use own blood so you don't know what you saying.And don't need demon to use blood magic at least from that they show us for example jowan.

Sorry sorry guy gameplay and actuall lore are two separte thing when some things they have common and need be consistent classes skills like disappearing in the middle of the fight or others skills which are practically magic are impossible we never seen that in cutscenes.Magic with mage doesn't have to be involved yes could be and may be but components would be magical like that to create items for example dragon bone. 

Again your blindness about templars yes templars is that type organization they job is imprison mages and kill them if they don't want live like they want to live to bad you will be killed or made zombie (read fate worse than dead) i don't even mention that they make peoples addicted well they are also chantry military force you don't want bow to chantry they find excuse and destroy you i could talk more but waste of time.

Wrong. The major problem here is people think Templers are anti mage. In the foundation of order it not. They protect the world from magic, not mages. Mages are an avatar of these magic and those have to be overseen by accessory. Templers guard mage from the world, the world from magic, and protect mages from them selves. Different orders of templer work in different way, like the fereldin circle is no were near like Kirk walls circle.

white spire?
Not true that they guard mages from the world a great number of templars shares hate or feart towards mages i don't tell that everyone but many many of them.Kirkwall clear shows that they don't care about mages meredith want kill them because peoples would want revenge they don't have problem with it despite they should protect mages.In ferelden situation wasn't uncontrollable they want kill them because that was the easiest way and in end turned out that many mages could be saved how many such situations when you declare that you are someone guard you take risk that you will protect that person even if that cost your life templars doesn't. Templars doesn't want protect mages they want control them well if you don't want live as they want well as i said...

Even in ferelden circle templar word is over mage word and irving know that that you need prove that lily is involved gregoir even want punish you if you helped them prove that.

 

Kirkwall is not an example of every circle. Kirkwall is a horrible extreme. Yes, the templers in Fereldin had word over the mages in the circle but they still repected the mages there unlike the ones in Kirk wall. And last time I check the templer order is split on the issue on how to control the mages.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 22 août 2013 - 07:54 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...




Maybe perhas i don't know but they still use such weapon if they had such besides that qunari magic backward to tevinter due hate to magic if tevinter could do that thedas could easily defeated by tevinter.
 

The qunari only fear magic. It's an issue of control. Since they find magic to be hard to control they decied on omore then one way to do war.

[The Hierophant]

@leaguer of one - agreed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



LoL templar is order they common goals , methods and religion and they are teached in that same way with very small differences.

evil not make me laugh you can throw fireball and cause painful death you can use own blood so you don't know what you saying.And don't need demon to use blood magic at least from that they show us for example jowan.

Sorry sorry guy gameplay and actuall lore are two separte thing when some things they have common and need be consistent classes skills like disappearing in the middle of the fight or others skills which are practically magic are impossible we never seen that in cutscenes.Magic with mage doesn't have to be involved yes could be and may be but components would be magical like that to create items for example dragon bone. 

Again your blindness about templars yes templars is that type organization they job is imprison mages and kill them if they don't want live like they want to live to bad you will be killed or made zombie (read fate worse than dead) i don't even mention that they make peoples addicted well they are also chantry military force you don't want bow to chantry they find excuse and destroy you i could talk more but waste of time.

Wrong. The major problem here is people think Templers are anti mage. In the foundation of order it not. They protect the world from magic, not mages. Mages are an avatar of these magic and those have to be overseen by accessory. Templers guard mage from the world, the world from magic, and protect mages from them selves. Different orders of templer work in different way, like the fereldin circle is no were near like Kirk walls circle.

white spire?
Not true that they guard mages from the world a great number of templars shares hate or feart towards mages i don't tell that everyone but many many of them.Kirkwall clear shows that they don't care about mages meredith want kill them because peoples would want revenge they don't have problem with it despite they should protect mages.In ferelden situation wasn't uncontrollable they want kill them because that was the easiest way and in end turned out that many mages could be saved how many such situations when you declare that you are someone guard you take risk that you will protect that person even if that cost your life templars doesn't. Templars doesn't want protect mages they want control them well if you don't want live as they want well as i said...

Even in ferelden circle templar word is over mage word and irving know that that you need prove that lily is involved gregoir even want punish you if you helped them prove that.

 

Kirkwall is not an example of every circle. Kirkwall is a horrible extreme. Yes, the templers in Fereldin had word over the mages in teh circle but they still repected the mages there unlike the ones in Kirk wall. And last time I check the templer order is split on the issue on how to control the mages.

And ferelden is not an example of every circle white spire shows there are issues and is closer to kirkwall than ferelden , ferelden is actually said to be as one of best circles for mage but still harsh and sometimes abusive even isolde doesn't want sent him there and arl eamon send connor to tevinter.Cullen said that many templars will glad kill mage so not so respected in ferelden add to this aneirin.   

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 07:56 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


And ferelden is not an example of every circle white spire shows there are issues and is closer to kirkwall than ferelden , ferelden is actually said to be as one of best circles for mage but still harsh and sometimes abusive even isolde doesn't want sent him there and arl eamon send connor to tevinter.Cullen said that many templars will glad kill mage so not so respected in ferelden add to this aneirin.   

What we see in the White spire is post Kirkwall up rising so even what we see in the book is not the norm for that place. The character in the story even go as far as to state they had more freedoms before the crack down post -kirkwall. Added, even in teh book we see the the templers are split over how they are currently dealing with the mages and the Divine was try to get the temples to give more freedom to the mages and helped free them.

So no, it's not the norm.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 22 août 2013 - 08:02 .