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[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


And ferelden is not an example of every circle white spire shows there are issues and is closer to kirkwall than ferelden , ferelden is actually said to be as one of best circles for mage but still harsh and sometimes abusive even isolde doesn't want sent him there and arl eamon send connor to tevinter.Cullen said that many templars will glad kill mage so not so respected in ferelden add to this aneirin.   

What we see in the White spire is post Kirkwall up rising so even what we see in the book is not the norm for that place. The character in the story even go as far as to state they had more freedoms before the crack down post -kirkwall. Added, even in teh book we see the the templers are split over how they are currently dealing with the mages and the Divine was try to get the temples to give more freedom to the mages and helped free them.

So no, it's not the norm.

Oh since when divine know what happening in circles or she knew what happened in kirkwall but don't care she even send spy you want to tell me that she didn't know even if the whole city knew?So what you want tell me that kirkwall changed templars in guys who beating mages in a moment?Yes and most of templars go with lambert to kill mages when few stayed with divine but i must say it i damn love lambert he crushed divine like roach and take most peoples on his side i hope he is in game.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 08:09 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


And ferelden is not an example of every circle white spire shows there are issues and is closer to kirkwall than ferelden , ferelden is actually said to be as one of best circles for mage but still harsh and sometimes abusive even isolde doesn't want sent him there and arl eamon send connor to tevinter.Cullen said that many templars will glad kill mage so not so respected in ferelden add to this aneirin.   

What we see in the White spire is post Kirkwall up rising so even what we see in the book is not the norm for that place. The character in the story even go as far as to state they had more freedoms before the crack down post -kirkwall. Added, even in teh book we see the the templers are split over how they are currently dealing with the mages and the Divine was try to get the temples to give more freedom to the mages and helped free them.

So no, it's not the norm.

Oh since when divine know what happening in circles or she knew what happened in kirkwall but don't care she even send spy you want to tell me that she didn't know even if the whole city knew?So what you want tell me that kirkwall changed templars in guys who beating mages in a moment?Yes and most of templars go with lambert to kill mages when few stayed with divine but i must say it i damn love lambert he crushed divine like roach and take most peoples on his side i hope he is in game.

1. The Divine was trying not to take sides so they would not split way for the charnty . Dhe was trying to play both sides. The problem was as iss of the extremeist on both themages and templers sides.

2. Kirkwall did not turn the templers in to mage beaters. They were train by other templers into it. Remeber there are templers who supported the mages and fought with them ageinst Meradith.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


And ferelden is not an example of every circle white spire shows there are issues and is closer to kirkwall than ferelden , ferelden is actually said to be as one of best circles for mage but still harsh and sometimes abusive even isolde doesn't want sent him there and arl eamon send connor to tevinter.Cullen said that many templars will glad kill mage so not so respected in ferelden add to this aneirin.   

What we see in the White spire is post Kirkwall up rising so even what we see in the book is not the norm for that place. The character in the story even go as far as to state they had more freedoms before the crack down post -kirkwall. Added, even in teh book we see the the templers are split over how they are currently dealing with the mages and the Divine was try to get the temples to give more freedom to the mages and helped free them.

So no, it's not the norm.

Oh since when divine know what happening in circles or she knew what happened in kirkwall but don't care she even send spy you want to tell me that she didn't know even if the whole city knew?So what you want tell me that kirkwall changed templars in guys who beating mages in a moment?Yes and most of templars go with lambert to kill mages when few stayed with divine but i must say it i damn love lambert he crushed divine like roach and take most peoples on his side i hope he is in game.

1. The Divine was trying not to take sides so they would not split way for the charnty . Dhe was trying to play both sides. The problem was as iss of the extremeist on both themages and templers sides.

2. Kirkwall did not turn the templers in to mage beaters. They were train by other templers into it. Remeber there are templers who supported the mages and fought with them ageinst Meradith.

So from bi*** divine is idiot better better. Her "duty" as you said was intervention and stop abusive templars and meredith but she didn't she was more concerned with loosing her power than mages fate .

I said that kirkwall incident doesn't turn templars (in white spire) in beating ****s they were them before that and still i dragon age redemtion they torture mages in their prison even in ferelden weasly reacts on that we are apostate in very fanatical way in that samy way as templar from redemption but we don't know if redemption is canonical since few plotholes but devs promoted that on forum so...  

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


And ferelden is not an example of every circle white spire shows there are issues and is closer to kirkwall than ferelden , ferelden is actually said to be as one of best circles for mage but still harsh and sometimes abusive even isolde doesn't want sent him there and arl eamon send connor to tevinter.Cullen said that many templars will glad kill mage so not so respected in ferelden add to this aneirin.   

What we see in the White spire is post Kirkwall up rising so even what we see in the book is not the norm for that place. The character in the story even go as far as to state they had more freedoms before the crack down post -kirkwall. Added, even in teh book we see the the templers are split over how they are currently dealing with the mages and the Divine was try to get the temples to give more freedom to the mages and helped free them.

So no, it's not the norm.

Oh since when divine know what happening in circles or she knew what happened in kirkwall but don't care she even send spy you want to tell me that she didn't know even if the whole city knew?So what you want tell me that kirkwall changed templars in guys who beating mages in a moment?Yes and most of templars go with lambert to kill mages when few stayed with divine but i must say it i damn love lambert he crushed divine like roach and take most peoples on his side i hope he is in game.

1. The Divine was trying not to take sides so they would not split way for the charnty . Dhe was trying to play both sides. The problem was as iss of the extremeist on both themages and templers sides.

2. Kirkwall did not turn the templers in to mage beaters. They were train by other templers into it. Remeber there are templers who supported the mages and fought with them ageinst Meradith.

So from bi*** divine is idiot better better. Her "duty" as you said was intervention and stop abusive templars and meredith but she didn't she was more concerned with loosing her power than mages fate .

I said that kirkwall incident doesn't turn templars (in white spire) in beating ****s they were them before that and still i dragon age redemtion they torture mages in their prison even in ferelden weasly reacts on that we are apostate in very fanatical way in that samy way as templar from redemption but we don't know if redemption is canonical since few plotholes but devs promoted that on forum so...  

1.Doing so would split the templer form the chantry.

2.Their good tempars and bad templars. Just because there bad templars does not mean all templars are bad.

[DKJaigen]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

And why do you think that was?
Fair enough
Meredith's sister and abominations

if you followed the story line you would know. Isolde Send most of the knights on a hunt to recover the the ashes leaving only a few men at arms and some ill trained militia as defense. In my opnion anything at this point could attack redcliff village and take it. Merediths sister only managed to kill 70 people in her village. not that impressive since this is medieval times and this point villages had very little protection aside from ill trained and equiped militia.

[leaguer of one]

DKJaigen wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

You seen this exepct rumors like mages changing people into frogs? If they have such power they could use that on templars in kirkwall...

Connor

Anders blowing up the chantry

They did use it in Kirkwall. Hence why the city was on fire.

Connor destroyed a village that no longer had its defenses.
And kirkwall was for the most part still standing.
To be honest i never seen any piece of lore that suggests that a single mage is capable of nuking entire cities.

And why do you think that was?
Fair enough
Meredith's sister and abominations

if you followed the story line you would know. Isolde Send most of the knights on a hunt to recover the the ashes leaving only a few men at arms and some ill trained militia as defense. In my opnion anything at this point could attack redcliff village and take it. Merediths sister only managed to kill 70 people in her village. not that impressive since this is medieval times and this point villages had very little protection aside from ill trained and equiped militia.

What does that matter? It does not change the point that an untrained mage is dangerious. So what if there were no knight and guard around, that fact remaid a possessed mage will kill alot of people, protection or not.
They need to be train to prevent it as much as possible.

[DKJaigen]

I never said otherwise but the claims of templar supporters then abominations can destroy entire cities is simply not true. its simply chantry propaganda.

[leaguer of one]

DKJaigen wrote...

I never said otherwise but the claims of templar supporters then abominations can destroy entire cities is simply not true. its simply chantry propaganda.

No, it true. This was evident during the post war era of the revolution from teventer. Added, there was a city in anderfall in DA: ASUDER were everyone was killed by an abomination.

It's true.
 Think about it for a moment. Sloth demon who, once they possesse someone, can put masses of people to sleep to feed off them. No extra guard  can deal with that.
Even the dalish say an abomination can kill off cities. The keeper in DA2 tells this to you with Fineral if he is possessed.
This also happen to the town in the black marsh in Awakenings.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 22 août 2013 - 09:00 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't said that they don't need to be trained i said they don't need to be prisoners...

So what she could said **** mages because she want templars remain loyal to chantry sorry guy but if templars would go and leave chantry because divine stoped fanatical as*** they are not better and in itself destroys statement that chantry and templars protect mages.

Yeah but good templars (i guess that mean templar who want protect mage and and treat them well) a large part of templars will kill them because law says that or someone order them combined with hate they will hurt them with law like punishing them something like gregoir doesn't care if mage is good or bad and other group (large) who are corrupted templars who beat mages and do others stuff well first group is to small to stop them or to blind like evangeline second doesn't care so...

About abomination destroying cities it think it is exaggerated why because we have unbound in denerim and he is damn demon elite stronger than highdragon but denerim still stands and also you can free pride demon.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 09:17 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I don't said that they don't need to be trained i said they don't need to be prisoners...

So what she could said **** mages because she want templars remain loyal to chantry sorry guy but if templars would go and leave chantry because divine stoped fanatical as*** they are not better and in itself destroys statement that chantry and templars protect mages.

Yeah but good templars (i guess that mean templar who want protect mage and and treat them well) a large part of templars will kill them because law says that or someone order them combined with hate they will hurt them with law like punishing them something like gregoir doesn't care if mage is good or bad and other group (large) who are corrupted templars who beat mages and do others stuff well first group is to small to stop them or to blind like evangeline second doesn't care so...

About abomination destroying cities it think it is exaggerated why because we have unbound in denerim and he is damn demon elite stronger than highdragon but denerim still stands and also you can free pride demon.

1.About abomination destroying cities... Even the dalish say they can do this. iIt's not a lie.

2. I'm not argueing ageist mages having more freedom. The restrictions on mages is the problem.

[dragonflight288]

I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

[Shadow Fox]

And that knight you meet says he's not sure they'd be much help regardless and considering they were all killed by a small cult I'd say they wouldn't.

70 is a lot of people dude.

[FaWa]

I'm going to go out there and say that every "City-destroying" level mage crises was a direct response to the templar's mistreatment of mages. If the templars were to stop running the circle like a dolled up prison, then maybe mages wouldn't feel inclined to destroy the tower/kirkwall/etc. One demon taking control of a mage is easily manageable. A ****ton of mages conspiring to kill all templars is not.

Its like US foreign policy in the middle east. We are the reason they hate us, and yet we are so scared of what they will do to us that we continue trying to **** up an already extremely ****ed up region, which causes even MORE resentment and desire to kill. Its the same situation.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

And that knight you meet says he's not sure they'd be much help regardless and considering they were all killed by a small cult I'd say they wouldn't.

70 is a lot of people dude.

LoL not all just very very small part of them who managed find haven and i could say something on cultist since there were many of them and they had dragons and power from dragon blood no to easy.

[Shadow Fox]

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

Fine but on the other hand show me hard evidence  they aren't..

[Plaintiff]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

Fine but on the other hand show me hard evidence  they aren't..

The fact that no mage yet has demonstrated that level of power should pretty much cinch it.

[leaguer of one]

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

1. The dalish say Abonination can kill of cities as well.
2. There's a town in Anderfall in DA: asunder that this happen to.

[Shadow Fox]

FaWa wrote...

I'm going to go out there and say that every "City-destroying" level mage crises was a direct response to the templar's mistreatment of mages. If the templars were to stop running the circle like a dolled up prison, then maybe mages wouldn't feel inclined to destroy the tower/kirkwall/etc. One demon taking control of a mage is easily manageable. A ****ton of mages conspiring to kill all templars is not.

Its like US foreign policy in the middle east. We are the reason they hate us, and yet we are so scared of what they will do to us that we continue trying to **** up an already extremely ****ed up region, which causes even MORE resentment and desire to kill. Its the same situation.

Except the Mages aren't blameless there Orsino even admits he covered for a blood mage.

[Dave of Canada]

leaguer of one wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

I never said otherwise but the claims of templar supporters then abominations can destroy entire cities is simply not true. its simply chantry propaganda.

No, it true. This was evident during the post war era of the revolution from teventer. Added, there was a city in anderfall in DA: ASUDER were everyone was killed by an abomination.

It's true.
 Think about it for a moment. Sloth demon who, once they possesse someone, can put masses of people to sleep to feed off them. No extra guard  can deal with that.
Even the dalish say an abomination can kill off cities. The keeper in DA2 tells this to you with Fineral if he is possessed.
This also happen to the town in the black marsh in Awakenings.

There's also the case of the antagonist in the comic wanting to manipulate reality and Dawn of the Seeker potraying them as capable of controlling dragons.

[Beerfish]

FaWa wrote...

I'm going to go out there and say that every "City-destroying" level mage crises was a direct response to the templar's mistreatment of mages. If the templars were to stop running the circle like a dolled up prison, then maybe mages wouldn't feel inclined to destroy the tower/kirkwall/etc. One demon taking control of a mage is easily manageable. A ****ton of mages conspiring to kill all templars is not.

Yeah like Connor in redcliffe....oh wait...or the mage doing experiments on reversing tranquility in the book Asunder.....oh wait....

[TheKomandorShepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

I never said otherwise but the claims of templar supporters then abominations can destroy entire cities is simply not true. its simply chantry propaganda.

No, it true. This was evident during the post war era of the revolution from teventer. Added, there was a city in anderfall in DA: ASUDER were everyone was killed by an abomination.

It's true.
 Think about it for a moment. Sloth demon who, once they possesse someone, can put masses of people to sleep to feed off them. No extra guard  can deal with that.
Even the dalish say an abomination can kill off cities. The keeper in DA2 tells this to you with Fineral if he is possessed.
This also happen to the town in the black marsh in Awakenings.

There's also the case of the antagonist in the comic wanting to manipulate reality and Dawn of the Seeker potraying them as capable of controlling dragons.

First they need maric blood to do that second it is gril who can control dragons which is considered as anomaly.

[Shadow Fox]

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

Fine but on the other hand show me hard evidence  they aren't..

The fact that no mage yet has demonstrated that level of power should pretty much cinch it.

Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 22 août 2013 - 09:45 .