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[Beerfish]

So it's okay for one measly mage to raze a village of 100 people because they are not heavily armed and or trained. Right, got it.

Connor is the perfect example and this is one of a purely benevolent young mage being corrupted, not looking at the many assistance of crazy or corrupt mages running around.

[leaguer of one]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

Fine but on the other hand show me hard evidence  they aren't..

The fact that no mage yet has demonstrated that level of power should pretty much cinch it.

Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

And let's not for get that they can make havesters.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I fail to see how it being a rare and difficult to thing to do discounts that mages are very dangerous people even if they don't want to be.

this is not just rare and difficult this is yeti levl so now you seek if superman can fly lets punish all earth because he is dangerous.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I fail to see how it being a rare and difficult to thing to do discounts that mages are very dangerous people even if they don't want to be.

this is not just rare and difficult this is yeti levl so now you seek if superman can fly lets punish all earth because he is dangerous.

Superman is not always dealing with something trying to control and used his powers to consume others.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 22 août 2013 - 09:50 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

So it's okay for one measly mage to raze a village of 100 people because they are not heavily armed and or trained. Right, got it.

I guess so

Who said thats ok but accidents are happens you don't have right to hurt mage as they don't have right to hurt you thas same as weaker aliens whp outnumber humans starts capture humans and making them prisoners on this rules.

[leaguer of one]

Morocco Mole wrote...

It's more like if there was a sizable population of Supermans that Darkseid could corrupt at any time.

Or some turning into someone like superboy prime.

[Shadow Fox]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I fail to see how it being a rare and difficult to thing to do discounts that mages are very dangerous people even if they don't want to be.

this is not just rare and difficult this is yeti levl so now you seek if superman can fly lets punish all earth because he is dangerous.

<_

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

So it's okay for one measly mage to raze a village of 100 people because they are not heavily armed and or trained. Right, got it.

I guess so

Who said thats ok but accidents are happens you don't have right to hurt mage as they don't have right to hurt you thas same as weaker aliens whp outnumber humans starts capture humans and making them prisoners on this rules.

Hurting is wrong.  Trapping them in the circle is also wrong. Capturing them to teach them how to deal with there powers, completly right.

[Shadow Fox]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

So it's okay for one measly mage to raze a village of 100 people because they are not heavily armed and or trained. Right, got it.

I guess so

Who said thats ok but accidents are happens you don't have right to hurt mage as they don't have right to hurt you thas same as weaker aliens whp outnumber humans starts capture humans and making them prisoners on this rules.

By that logic guns shouldn't be regulated because "accidents" happen.<_<

[Plaintiff]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

So it's okay for one measly mage to raze a village of 100 people because they are not heavily armed and or trained. Right, got it.

I guess so

Who said thats ok but accidents are happens you don't have right to hurt mage as they don't have right to hurt you thas same as weaker aliens whp outnumber humans starts capture humans and making them prisoners on this rules.

By that logic guns shouldn't be regulated because "accidents" happen.<_<

lol so now you compare peoples to gun nice you have influence on that and that cost nothing no one suffers when you do that.When they put you in towher ruled by fanatics who hate you and your word mean nothing is hurts you.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 09:59 .

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

So it's okay for one measly mage to raze a village of 100 people because they are not heavily armed and or trained. Right, got it.

I guess so

Who said thats ok but accidents are happens you don't have right to hurt mage as they don't have right to hurt you thas same as weaker aliens whp outnumber humans starts capture humans and making them prisoners on this rules.

By that logic guns shouldn't be regulated because "accidents" happen.<_<

lol so now you compare peoples to gun nice you have influence on that and that cost nothing no one suffers when you do that.When they put you in towher ruled by fanatics who hate you and you word mean nothing is hurts you.

Mages can kill people with there minds. Of course it's a solid comparison. Even biotics in ME are regulated.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

And i guess you blame mages for that?

leaguer of one wrote...

Mages can kill people with there minds. Of course it's a solid comparison. Even biotics in ME are regulated.

eee nice maybe they can kill you blinking
nice very nice but still they are destroyed by bunch of templars
despite they have power who can destroy world when they sneeze.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 10:02 .

[badboy64]

leaguer of one wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

Fine but on the other hand show me hard evidence  they aren't..

The fact that no mage yet has demonstrated that level of power should pretty much cinch it.

Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

And let's not for get that they can make havesters.

And why do mages do this because they are pushed a liitle too far or abused in some way and they have defend themselves some how by going down that path. And who is the cause of this desperation or making them do this? I think you know them answers already.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

And i guess you blame mages for that?

More of the case of magic but a non-mage can't do that. The point is magic can be that destuctive.

[leaguer of one]

badboy64 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...



I'm busy in real life for a few days and we've gone up nearly 10 pages since I've been on.

Wow.

I'm not surprised, but I have a lot of debate to catch up on.

Okay, quick reality check here, in the lore vs gameplay regarding how powerful an abomination or a rogue mage is.

To the templar supporters, don't give me rumors. I would ask you to point it, whether through codex, lore, books or World of Thedas, where there is a single confirmed case, just one, of a single mage being able to destroy an entire city like a nuclear bomb, and you can even use abominations if that helps. And don't point out Connor because there were so many things going on there (Loghain hired Jowan to poison Eamon, Isolde sent almost every Knight away, leaving only a small force and an untrained militia, Jowan left books around for Connor to read because he was arrested for the poisoning of Eamon.)

Point out a single instance, where a fully trained mage is able to prove himself as dangerous as the Chantry preaches. Just one confirmed instance that a skilled team of adventurers themselves cannot do. And then properly cite the source.

If you can do that, then you will have evidence to support what the Chantry preaches. If you cannot show a single moment in the entire history of Thedas from the lore, codex entries, the novels etc....then the entire argument would rely on propaganda and hearsay, which is not admissable in any court of law, and therefore is not compelling evidence.

Fine but on the other hand show me hard evidence  they aren't..

The fact that no mage yet has demonstrated that level of power should pretty much cinch it.

Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

And let's not for get that they can make havesters.

And why do mages do this because they are pushed a liitle too far or abused in some way and they have defend themselves some how by going down that path. And who is the cause of this desperation or making them do this? I think you know them answers already.

Please, that's not even the only case and you know this. Heck, a mage can make one to fight wars. Don't try to make sound that all mages are innocent.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

And i guess you blame mages for that?

More of the case of magic but a non-mage can't do that. The point is magic can be that destuctive.

Non mage can do that many templars did that killing mages in towers but they weakened veil war and suffering opens veil.

[badboy64]

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

The video says a single villan(not mages) did open the veil or didn't you watch the the new video Bioware put out?

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

And i guess you blame mages for that?

More of the case of magic but a non-mage can't do that. The point is magic can be that destuctive.

Non mage can do that many templars did that killing mages in towers but they weakened veil war and suffering opens veil.

Nope, it 's nothing near that. A non mage can't make a country side to nothing.

[leaguer of one]

badboy64 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Avernus managed to tear the veil,Quentin made a Lady Frankenstein,Orsino made a Harvester on his FIRST try, and the Baroness enslaved an ENTIRE town even in death.

None of that comes even close to the level of devestation caused by nuclear power, which is what you and others insist on claiming.

Except when the veil  ripes open in da:I  and starts to slowly destory the world.

The video says a single villan(not mages) did open the veil or didn't you watch the the new video Bioware put out?

My arguement is magic can be that dangerious not that mages did it.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



eee nice maybe they can kill you blinking
nice very nice but still they are destroyed by bunch of templars
despite they have power who can destroy world when they sneeze.

Those templar are trian to combat and resist magic. Mages are far from helpless.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



eee nice maybe they can kill you blinking
nice very nice but still they are destroyed by bunch of templars
despite they have power who can destroy world when they sneeze.

Those templar are trian to combat and resist magic. Mages are far from helpless.

Whow but what with their death laser which can destroy single planet or creating volcano with staring at rock oh it seems that templars can't stop power of deadly mage mind blinking what kills peoples.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 août 2013 - 10:11 .