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[BlueMagitek]

It takes a few seconds for a mage to pop out a miniature earthquake. Used correctly, this ability could destabilize all the things!

[Plaintiff]

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for that one time an untrained abomination raised the dead and slowly destroyed a village.

Slowly being the keyword. Hardly a "walking nuclear bomb" as people say.

No one said they were walking nuclear bombs.

Oh yes they did, in this thread and others. Pro-Templars trot out the nuclear bomb comparison every time this argument crops up.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 août 2013 - 12:42 .

[MisterJB]

leaguer of one wrote...
No one said they were walking nuclear bombs.

I did. Multiple times. And I mantain they are.

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for that one time an untrained abomination raised the dead and slowly destroyed a village.

Slowly being the keyword. Hardly a "walking nuclear bomb" as people say.

No one said they were walking nuclear bombs.

Oh yes they did, in this thread and others. Pro-Templars trot out the nuclear bomb comparison every time this argument crops up.

They're pro-trmplar. That means ignore.

[MisterJB]

Plaintiff wrote...
It takes who-knows-how-long to prepare, though.

We've yet to see any mage rain hellfire on a city at a whim, as Templars and their supporters are wont to claim. The examples we've seen of the worst mage abuses all required at least one of the following:

a) extensive time to prepare/experiment

secrecy

c) access to rare artefacts and materials

d) multiple mages working together

So yes, the threat mages present is more than a little overblown.

The Baroness. The people storm her castle, she performs a spell, everyone is sent into the Fade, the city is destroyed and the entire area is stil not suitable for habitation hundreds of years after the deed.

No extensive preparation, no secrecy, no acess to rare materials and it was done by one mage. Just "You peasants dare to revolt against me? BAM! Welcome to Hell, hope you'll enjoy eternity being killed by me over and over and over again."

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 août 2013 - 12:50 .

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Pro-Templars trot out the nuclear bomb comparison every time this argument crops up.

Would you say it is as common as pro-magers comparing mages to oppressed minorities or less common?

There is some truth in that.

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...

So what about Connor then?

Connor had infinite time, being protected as he was by his mother, in a fortified castle.

He did not rain destruction over Redclife overnight. We have no idea how long it took: depending on when you choose to visit it, it could've occured over weeks or even months.

Take into account that as far as population centres go, Redcliffe is hardly a metropolis, and on top of that it was inadequately defended. But despite the apparent slaughter, the population at the time of the Warden's visit is still close to the population of other hubs, like Lothering or the Dalish camp.

Of course you and others have already dismissed these factors, because they don't support your argument. Regardless, Connor is not exactly a devourer of worlds.

[Plaintiff]

MisterJB wrote...
The Baroness. The people storm her castle, she performs a spell, everyone is sent into the Fade, the city is destroyed and the entire area is stil not suitable for habitation hundreds of years after the deed.

No extensive preparation

Except for all the people she slaughtered to get that power, and who knows what else besides.

no secrecy,

Except in her fortified mansion.

no acess to rare materials

She's a wealthy baroness.

and it was done by one mage. Just "You peasants dare to revolt against me? BAM! Welcome to Hell, hope you'll enjoy eternity being killed by me over and over and over again."

Anything that happens once they get to the reality-bending dream dimension is rather moot.

Congratulations, you've shown what can happen if one is a mage and has access to all the non-magical perks that come with being wealthy and of status.

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

So what about Connor then?

Connor had infinite time, being protected as he was by his mother, in a fortified castle.

He did not rain destruction over Redclife overnight. We have no idea how long it took: depending on when you choose to visit it, it could've occured over weeks or even months.

Take into account that as far as population centres go, Redcliffe is hardly a metropolis, and on top of that it was inadequately defended. But despite the apparent slaughter, the population at the time of the Warden's visit is still close to the population of other hubs, like Lothering or the Dalish camp.

Of course you and others have already dismissed these factors, because they don't support your argument. Regardless, Connor is not exactly a devourer of worlds.

That does not defur the fact he nearly destoryed red cliff . And what about the abomination in DA:asuder the killed off an entire town in Anderfall.

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
The Baroness. The people storm her castle, she performs a spell, everyone is sent into the Fade, the city is destroyed and the entire area is stil not suitable for habitation hundreds of years after the deed.

No extensive preparation

Except for all the people she slaughtered to get that power, and who knows what else besides.

no secrecy,

Except in her fortified mansion.

no acess to rare materials

She's a wealthy baroness.

and it was done by one mage. Just "You peasants dare to revolt against me? BAM! Welcome to Hell, hope you'll enjoy eternity being killed by me over and over and over again."

Anything that happens once they get to the reality-bending dream dimension is rather moot.

Congratulations, you've shown what can happen if one is a mage and has access to all the non-magical perks that come with being wealthy and of status.

It would not happen is she was regulated. It matter not that she had extra resources.

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Pro-Templars trot out the nuclear bomb comparison every time this argument crops up.

Would you say it is as common as pro-magers comparing mages to oppressed minorities or less common?

Maybe about the same.

But mages are a minority and they are oppressed. We've as yet received no information regarding their capacity for fission.

[Zanallen]

Plaintiff wrote...

Connor had infinite time, being protected as he was by his mother, in a fortified castle.

He did not rain destruction over Redclife overnight. We have no idea how long it took: depending on when you choose to visit it, it could've occured over weeks or even months.

Take into account that as far as population centres go, Redcliffe is hardly a metropolis, and on top of that it was inadequately defended. But despite the apparent slaughter, the population at the time of the Warden's visit is still close to the population of other hubs, like Lothering or the Dalish camp.

Of course you and others have already dismissed these factors, because they don't support your argument. Regardless, Connor is not exactly a devourer of worlds.

Redcliffe is described in the codex as one of the largest and most prosperous towns in Ferelden. Connor decimated it in less than a month.

Modifié par Zanallen, 23 août 2013 - 01:05 .

[leaguer of one]

Plaintiff wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Pro-Templars trot out the nuclear bomb comparison every time this argument crops up.

Would you say it is as common as pro-magers comparing mages to oppressed minorities or less common?

Maybe about the same.

But mages are a minority and they are oppressed. We've as yet received no information regarding their capacity for fission.

Yes we have.

[Plaintiff]

leaguer of one wrote...

It would not happen is she was regulated. It matter not that she had extra resources.

Of course it matters. A noble can slaughter villagers just as easily as a mage can, and her status as a baroness afforded her extra protection. I'd say her status as baroness matters much more than her status as a mage.

For every magical atrocity we've seen, I'd say there's at last one of similar scale committed by non-magical nobility.

[Plaintiff]

Zanallen wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Connor had infinite time, being protected as he was by his mother, in a fortified castle.

He did not rain destruction over Redclife overnight. We have no idea how long it took: depending on when you choose to visit it, it could've occured over weeks or even months.

Take into account that as far as population centres go, Redcliffe is hardly a metropolis, and on top of that it was inadequately defended. But despite the apparent slaughter, the population at the time of the Warden's visit is still close to the population of other hubs, like Lothering or the Dalish camp.

Of course you and others have already dismissed these factors, because they don't support your argument. Regardless, Connor is not exactly a devourer of worlds.

Redcliffe is described in the codex as one of the largest and most prosperous towns in Ferelden. Connor decimated it in less than a month.

If that's what it says in the Codex, then how come the village we actually see is so small?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 août 2013 - 01:08 .

[Zanallen]

Plaintiff wrote...

If that's what it says in the Codex, then how come the village we actually see is so small?

Gameplay/story segregation.

[Plaintiff]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Nobles need people to help them commit their atrocities however.

A mage needs only to cast a few spells or make the wrong choice when dealing with a demon to commit them.

So take their people away.

If you're fine with nobles being unregulated, then you're a hypocrite. The ease with which they commit atrocities is of no consequence. Imprison everyone with the potential to cause harm or let them all go free.

[Plaintiff]

Zanallen wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

If that's what it says in the Codex, then how come the village we actually see is so small?

Gameplay/story segregation.

Speculation, then.

I'm not going to accept anything that isn't shown in-game.

[Zanallen]

Plaintiff wrote...

Speculation, then.

I'm not going to accept anything that isn't shown in-game.

Lol, the lore of the game isn't good enough unless it is shown on screen?

[billy the squid]

Plaintiff wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

If that's what it says in the Codex, then how come the village we actually see is so small?

Gameplay/story segregation.

Speculation, then.

I'm not going to accept anything that isn't shown in-game.

Templars raping mages isn't shown in game, therefore it doesn't happen.