Darth Brotarian wrote...
@dragonflight288
1. You say that like rape doesn;t happen in tevinter, or that magisters wouldn't be allowed to rape.
2. I don't hate them because of them being mages. I hate them because they enslave people from across thedas to be used as walking batteries for their power, and engage in horrible practices like wiping out peoples memories to make them more docile. So that even the slim chance they might have escaped or been rescued, is not a completely moot point. Though I do suppose that would fall under the blanket term of "abuse".
3. I find the fact that the scale of lives lost in tevinter compared to orlais to make any sort of argument that they are both the same in levels of horribleness nothing more than false equivalency.
Tevinter is worse, empirically, it is worse. It's not hundreds of miles worse than orlais, nor is orlais a perfect or good system by that exchange, they both suck. But, the fact remains that the scale and scope of the slavery in tevinter, and the fact that their practice doesn't just ruin the lives of the domestic citizens there, but the lives of the countless citizens of thedas whose family members have been whisked away to forever rot in their service, makes them worse.
1. Of course it happens in Tevinter. But we have quite a few explicit examples of Orlais from the games and the books, whereas we do not have those same examples when it comes to Tevinter, so it's easier to talk about it when it comes to Orlais. By that same virtue, when talking about blood magic and such, It'll be much easier to talk about Tevinter, or slavery goes hand in hand with Tevinter. I make my arguments based on in-game lore and from the books. Since Orlais has more examples that we are made aware of of the sort of abuse, it's easier to associate them with it, even if, when you think about it, it's natural to believe that sort of abuse may also happen in Tevinter. Nothing more or less than that.
2. I agree. Tevinter really sucks when it comes to that.
3. Oh? Tevinter uses slaves and blood magic. Orlais' nobles are always one-upping each other, encouraged to betray alliances, as part of their culture. They practice slavery as well, but will not call it that, thus making them hypocrites. Drakon the first makes it clear in the History of the Chantry codexes that he mainly joined up with an Andrastian Cult just so he could conquer everyone else, and the one he chose became the Chantry....which then usesd its authority to aid Orlais throughout history over issues that had nothing to do with religion at all. Orlais was built on Exalted Marches, so whenever we think of Orlais, the Chantry is usually, not always, involved with that same corruption.
Then you had the splitting of the Chantry in Tevinter and the rise of the Black Chantry, so Tevinter gained abuse of religious authority there just like Orlais has now.
But in my mind, and you're free to disagree, corruption begets more corruption. Orlais has built its culture for the nobility around corruption, and actively encourage it. Tevinter can't function without slaves, and Fenris makes it clear that the one time an Archon tried outlawing it, he was swiftly assassinated since they don't know how to function without slaves. Since no steps are made to stop corruption in Orlais or Tevinter, even if the methods are different, then the corruption will get worse, and worse.
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