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[billy the squid]

Steelcan wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

Oh god.

Is that a good oh god or a bad one?

For the Reds? A bad one.

This could be Cerberus all over again.

Not really,I have a feeling the Red Templars are a more extremist splintergroup of the main Templar faction.

So how is that different from Cerberus

Yep, here we go with the bat crap crazy villains again.

[Vit246]

Isn't red lyrium even MORE rare than blue lyrium?

[MisterJB]

Angrywolves wrote...

Doubt the red templars are using red lyrium.
More likely that's just what they call themselves now they've split from the chantry.

No, the article at gameinformer (check the previous page for a link) specifically tells us Red Templars are Templars who are consuming Red Lyrium. Plus, you can see red veins on their bodies in the vide plus the monster covered in red cristals.

Trying to keep a positive tought, if someone had shown us only the missions involving Ser Alrik a year prior to DA2's release, I assume we'd be having the same reactions as we are having now but the game, ultimately, had a more balanced portrayal of both sides (they were both insane but equally so).
Things don't look good now and we Pro-Templars shouldn't pretend what was shown doesn't ring some alarm bells but a few concept arts and half a mission is definitely not sufficent content to determine how DAI will approach the magic dillema.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 septembre 2013 - 12:38 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Vit246 wrote...

Isn't red lyrium even MORE rare than blue lyrium?

Yeah, but remember that there were huge stalks of the stuff that the rock wraiths were feeding off of in the deep roads in DA2.  I'm thinking there is a huge concentration under Orlais. 

[cjones91]

Vit246 wrote...

Isn't red lyrium even MORE rare than blue lyrium?

And more potent/deadly.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Doubt the red templars are using red lyrium.
More likely that's just what they call themselves now they've split from the chantry.

No, the article at gameinformer (check the previous page for a link) specifically tells us Red Templars are Templars who are consuming Red Lyrium. Plus, you can see red veins on their bodies in the vide plus the monster covered in red cristals.

Trying to keep a positive tought, if someone had shown us only the missions involving Ser Alrik a year prior to DA2's release, I assume we'd be having the same reactions as we are having now but the game, ultimately, had a more balanced portrayal of both sides (they were both insane but equally so).
Things don't look good now and we Pro-Templars shouldn't pretend what was shown doesn't ring some alarm bells but a few concept arts and half a mission is definitely not sufficent content to determine how DAI will approach the magic dillema.

I don't know why you're so worried since the game will have a more balanced perspective.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
I don't know why you're so worried since the game will have a more balanced perspective.

We don't know if the game will have a more balanced perspective.  That is why I am worried.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I don't know why you're so worried since the game will have a more balanced perspective.

We don't know if the game will have a more balanced perspective.  That is why I am worried.

David Gaider has said multple times that each side will be shown in good and bad lights,have some patience since I'm sure they will show mages going too far and attacking a town or village for supplies.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I think after DA2 the devs could stand to show more good sides to mages then Templars considering someone on the staff thought it was a good idea to make 99% of all the mages in the game blood mages willing to mass murder everyone.

Its nice to see that Templars are going to have a crazy faction in their midst.

[Dave of Canada]

cjones91 wrote...

David Gaider has said multple times that each side will be shown in good and bad lights,have some patience since I'm sure they will show mages going too far and attacking a town or village for supplies.

There's a huge difference between actual portrayal and what the writers say their portraying, BioWare is terrible at middle-ground and often throws things from one extreme to the other. It's either whitewashing, retconing or not-subtle references to ****s because OH GOSH THEY'RE THE WORST PEOPLE EVER.

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I think after DA2 the devs could stand to show more good sides to mages then Templars considering someone on the staff thought it was a good idea to make 99% of all the mages in the game blood mages willing to mass murder everyone. 

Its nice to see that Templars are going to have a crazy faction in their midst.

Yes, all the Templar in DA2 were the nicest and they weren't portrayed badly at all. It wasn't like DA2 was a huge cluster of stupidity.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 01 septembre 2013 - 02:20 .

[AresKeith]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I think after DA2 the devs could stand to show more good sides to mages then Templars considering someone on the staff thought it was a good idea to make 99% of all the mages in the game blood mages willing to mass murder everyone.

Its nice to see that Templars are going to have a crazy faction in their midst.

Umm, they also said that in DA2 they showed the bad on both sides

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The article says they are a Templar splinter group. I don't really see any need for panic yet. Honestly right after DA 2 came out, my assumption was that both the templars and mage rebellion would both quickly fractionalize various factions based on respective extremism. After I heard about the Orlesian Civil War, I thought maybe they wouldn't be able to fit that many factions into one game's story but maybe they are.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Some Templars went hardcore rogue, I'm fine with that.

[Dave of Canada]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The article says they are a Templar splinter group

Technically, Lambert's faction is a splinter group from the Chantry. They could very well turn them into the Red Templar and make the only "good" Templar being Chantry loyalists.

[Ravensword]

billy the squid wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

Oh god.

Is that a good oh god or a bad one?

For the Reds? A bad one.

This could be Cerberus all over again.

Not really,I have a feeling the Red Templars are a more extremist splintergroup of the main Templar faction.

So how is that different from Cerberus

Yep, here we go with the bat crap crazy villains again.

More Saturday morning cartoon villains?

[cjones91]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The article says they are a Templar splinter group

Technically, Lambert's faction is a splinter group from the Chantry. They could very well turn them into the Red Templar and make the only "good" Templar being Chantry loyalists.

Not all of them want to kill every mage in sight.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

AresKeith wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I think after DA2 the devs could stand to show more good sides to mages then Templars considering someone on the staff thought it was a good idea to make 99% of all the mages in the game blood mages willing to mass murder everyone.

Its nice to see that Templars are going to have a crazy faction in their midst.

Umm, they also said that in DA2 they showed the bad on both sides

The extend that DA2 went to show the bad in mages was far greater then the Templars. There were multiple instances that showed good Templars from Cullen, the Templar that tried to help the mages escape, the Templar recruit that we saved. Ect. There are only two mages in the entire game that didn't end up going nuts: Bethany and that virgin mage in the bar. Even though I romanced here Merril was super nuts.

I remember when the devs were talking about Rise of the Seeker movie and they were talking about the characters and they got to the mage guy (name escapes me) and the dev talking said something along the lines of "I'm sure at this point you might be wondering if there are any good mages out there."

Mages got the short end of the stick in DA2 but I will admit the entire game was a horrible creation.

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
The extend that DA2 went to show the bad in mages was far greater then the Templars. There were multiple instances that showed good Templars from Cullen, the Templar that tried to help the mages escape, the Templar recruit that we saved. Ect. There are only two mages in the entire game that didn't end up going nuts: Bethany and that virgin mage in the bar. Even though I romanced here Merril was super nuts.

Dude, the templars created a lobotimized rape factory, one of them hand something that was pretty much called the final solution, and the game ends with the leader of the templars attempting to orchestrate a genocide - which she eventually pulls off - that all of the templars (Cullen included) gleefully participate in. 

For all the crazy the mages showed, they were still victims. Even if Grace was looney toons, you can at least relate to her experience rummaging through the forest. But the tempalrs just plain abused their power. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
The extend that DA2 went to show the bad in mages was far greater then the Templars. There were multiple instances that showed good Templars from Cullen, the Templar that tried to help the mages escape, the Templar recruit that we saved. Ect. There are only two mages in the entire game that didn't end up going nuts: Bethany and that virgin mage in the bar. Even though I romanced here Merril was super nuts.

Dude, the templars created a lobotimized rape factory, one of them hand something that was pretty much called the final solution, and the game ends with the leader of the templars attempting to orchestrate a genocide - which she eventually pulls off - that all of the templars (Cullen included) gleefully participate in. 

For all the crazy the mages showed, they were still victims. Even if Grace was looney toons, you can at least relate to her experience rummaging through the forest. But the tempalrs just plain abused their power. 

No only two Templars were shown being distinctly monstrous. The rapist and the genocide lover was one guy. While every single mage we see becomes and abomination and even our own mage companions are lunatics. Anders murders possibly hundreds of innocent people in the Chantry. Doing more harm then the rape/genocide Templar ever did.  

That 'genocide' that Cullen is taking part in was an annulment something that although not properly sanctioned by the Chantry is something that isn't considered evil but something that has happened multiple times throughout history. Heck we can even finish one in DA:O and it isn't considered evil at all.

[leaguer of one]

Ravensword wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

Oh god.

Is that a good oh god or a bad one?

For the Reds? A bad one.

This could be Cerberus all over again.

Not really,I have a feeling the Red Templars are a more extremist splintergroup of the main Templar faction.

So how is that different from Cerberus

Yep, here we go with the bat crap crazy villains again.

More Saturday morning cartoon villains?

Cerberus was never like saturday morning cartoons villains.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 01 septembre 2013 - 03:07 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Looking at the Pax Prime footage again, I believe Mike referred to the Red Templars as "long term enemies." Mooks (unknowingly?) working for the big bad, perhaps?

[AresKeith]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Looking at the Pax Prime footage again, I believe Mike referred to the Red Templars as "long term enemies." Mooks (unknowingly?) working for the big bad, perhaps?

So a splinter group addicted to Red Lyrium working for the Big Bad

I'd rather have them tie into the Red Lyrium plot line than the main one

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The article says they are a Templar splinter group

Technically, Lambert's faction is a splinter group from the Chantry. They could very well turn them into the Red Templar and make the only "good" Templar being Chantry loyalists.

Well I suppose it's impossible to say for certain, but I don't know that there's only going to be one group of splinter templars.

Even if that's not the case though, sometimes factions have to be enemies of the PC. Seeing as they are repeatedly refering to in a way that makes them distinct from just "templars" it dosn't seem like the templars in general are going to be treated like Cerberus. And neither that mages automatically the good guys and templars are automatically bad.

I will say that with the world in chaos I never expected to be able to avoid fighting any examples of mages or templars. Sadly some choices are always going to be restricted to a PC for the sake of the story but I cannot imagine they won't let the Inquisitor make a statment about how he or she feels the roles of mages and templars are.

But in either case isn't it still early days?

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 septembre 2013 - 04:33 .

[In Exile]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
No only two Templars were shown being distinctly monstrous. The rapist and the genocide lover was one guy. While every single mage we see becomes and abomination and even our own mage companions are lunatics. Anders murders possibly hundreds of innocent people in the Chantry. Doing more harm then the rape/genocide Templar ever did.  

Karras, if you let him live, raped Alain. Cullen is blatantly pro tranquil solution, and has his whole "mages aren't people like you and me" speech.  And I'm not going to get dragged into whether or not forcible lobotomies and rape is worse than murder. 

That 'genocide' that Cullen is taking part in was an annulment something that although not properly sanctioned by the Chantry is something that isn't considered evil but something that has happened multiple times throughout history. Heck we can even finish one in DA:O and it isn't considered evil at all. 

Okay, I'm not touchign this. If you think annulment isn't evil, good luck with that. 

[Stella-Arc]

In Exile wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
The extend that DA2 went to show the bad in mages was far greater then the Templars. There were multiple instances that showed good Templars from Cullen, the Templar that tried to help the mages escape, the Templar recruit that we saved. Ect. There are only two mages in the entire game that didn't end up going nuts: Bethany and that virgin mage in the bar. Even though I romanced here Merril was super nuts.

Dude, the templars created a lobotimized rape factory, one of them hand something that was pretty much called the final solution, and the game ends with the leader of the templars attempting to orchestrate a genocide - which she eventually pulls off - that all of the templars (Cullen included) gleefully participate in. 

For all the crazy the mages showed, they were still victims. Even if Grace was looney toons, you can at least relate to her experience rummaging through the forest. But the tempalrs just plain abused their power. 

I completely agree however I believe the main problem stems from the fact that we are constantly told about the atrocities of the Templars while with the mages, we are shown their insanity. 

Most are told to us. Yes, I'm sure that they did happen but the reason why the mages are seen as more unstable is because we were shown it...all...the...freaking...time...

Blood mages here, blood mages there, blood mages everywhere.