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[The Elder King]

Bioware even said that DA2 shown the worst side of both templars and mages, and that it's not the standard for both.
Everything they said makes me believe that there'll be both good and bad portrayals of templars and mages. Since we can't be sure about it until the game is out, though, it'd be best for those that fear a templar/Cerberus analogy to wait some time before buying the game. This is not a concern that can be denied completely without playing the game.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I don't get why we are assuming thst when it comes to the templars, it'll be just either moderate templars or crazy red templars.

Why can't it be moderate templars, than extreme templars, and than red templar offshoot?

[Sharn01]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that if a Templar is cut off from his supply of lyrium he will become a jibbering idiot or worse. If red lyrium is the only lyrium available, they most certainly will use it, and its not necessarily a well known fact of what the effects of red lyrium are. Only a few witnesses in Kirkwall saw its effects, they do not have first hand knowledge of what exactly caused those effects, and even if they did its not like they can start texting all their Templar buddies about it, news doesn't travel quickly in a setting like Dragon Age.

Modifié par Sharn01, 01 septembre 2013 - 07:25 .

[thats1evildude]

I don't love absolutely everything I've heard about Inquisition, but the idea of "Red Templars" does not seem objectionable to me.

Let's acknowledge that the mages have considerable advantages that the templars do not. Although the mages are fewer in number and templars are trained to resist their abilities, it's harder to do against blood magic, and unlike mages, templars may not summon hordes of demons to defend them or become abominations themselves.

As well, the mages do not have to account for their addiction to lyrium. While the lyrium-smuggling trade can likely provide some of the lyrium they need, no doubt many templars are struggling to cope.

Now consider red lyrium. After DA2, this substance is no longer a secret; perhaps other expeditions could be made to the Primeval Thaig to recover more of the substance.

"But why would anyone be stupid enough to wield it?" Sure, Meredith turned into a statue because she used red lyrium, but she also wielded near-godlike power. She likely could have flattened the city if she had the chance.

Given that they believe service to the Maker will be rewarded in death, I have little trouble believing that more templars would turn to red lyrium to give themselves an advantage against the mages.

It also opens up a possibility for some interesting character development for Varric, since the discovery of red lyrium is at least partially his fault.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 septembre 2013 - 09:34 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ok now i m starting stop be pro-mage and be pro-destroy world it is practically witcher world what tells us "there is no hope no matter what you do"

[Cainhurst Crow]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Ok now i m starting stop be pro-mage and be pro-destroy world it is practically witcher world what tells us "there is no hope no matter what you do"

Your pain, it makes me laugh.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Ok now i m starting stop be pro-mage and be pro-destroy world it is practically witcher world what tells us "there is no hope no matter what you do"

Your pain, it makes me laugh.

pain?

[Ausstig]

Jayne126 wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jayne126 wrote...

Oh god.

Is that a good oh god or a bad one?

For the Reds? A bad one.

This could be Cerberus all over again.

I think we left COULD behind a long time ago. 

And for everyone who is all "they said this exact thing won't happen". Remember ME3! Remember what they said, they "it not just Cerberus is indoctrinated" It was. "you won't get to the end of the game and choose between A, B orC" We got to the end and had to choose between three options, in the same way. 

Biowear lie to us, the consumer, with out shame when they are selling their stuff. 

If this gets up the mods nose, well it's true, people in the company made statements in the past that were entirly false. Don't like me bringing it up here? TO BAD, it establishes character. 

[Renmiri1]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

 Update:  http://www.gameinfor...tion-intel.aspx
Apparently some Templars have resorted to using Red Lyrium, which may drive them crazy/evil.

I gotta say I never posted in this thread because I found your comparrison complete BS

Until this Red Lyrrium thing.. 

It is starting to sound like you were  right and we will have another Indocrination making people cartoonish evil and being evil just for evil sake like ME3.



Insanity as a plot device has to be very well written. As it was done in Anders on DA2 and with Meredith until Act3.

Otherwise it just takes a person completely out of character or doing excedingly dumb things for no reason other than "he / she is insane" and even my cat can cough up hairballs that are better produced than that shiite :sick:

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 septembre 2013 - 10:19 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Red Templars...

yeah...........well, I killed numerous templars throughout Origins, those few in Awakenings, and more than a few in Awakenings

so, dead is dead

[KainD]

Renmiri1 wrote...

It is starting to sound like you were  right and we will have another Indocrination making people cartoonish evil and being evil just for evil sake like ME3.

What the hell are you talking about? Who was evil for evil sake in ME3? 
TIM had a solid cause, Reapers had a solid cause. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I hope they just don't force me to being renegade type who stills care if i want be di*** who doesn't care about anyone except myself it should be option.

[The Elder King]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm glad to see Bioware is also following in Blizzard's footsteps.

Can't write a compelling villain? Use corruption instead

I don't see a problem with a corrupted villain if he's not the only villain in the game. And I highly doubt that the red templars are the main enemy in the game, of even rapresent the whole templars.
And I don't believe that they rapresent all/the majority of templars. All Bioware said in the articles and the interviews is the opposite of what some people are saying. If the latters will be proven to be right, it'd be a very bad move from Bioware, and I'll criticize them. But until then, I don't see why I should believe that the red templars shouldn't rapresent a faction between the templars. As a faction of blood mages that could attack villages or dominate mundanes could exist in the game.

Modifié par hhh89, 01 septembre 2013 - 10:40 .

[Heimdall]

I don't see a problem with Red Templars in principle. From the demo video I watched though, they looked to be in the thrall of that great big mini boss demon/abomination. So I'd say they're simply the Templar equivalent of mages turned abomination, not necessarily in any way representative of the Templars as a whole.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Wouldn't it be lovely to end up finding Cullen as a leader of the Red Templars and then we have to kill him....*Evil cackle*


Come at me fangirls....

[Cheylus]

Maybe, just maybe, they're won't be red templars if Hawke joined the templars in the end of DA2.

[Renmiri1]

KainD wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

It is starting to sound like you were  right and we will have another Indocrination making people cartoonish evil and being evil just for evil sake like ME3.

What the hell are you talking about? Who was evil for evil sake in ME3? 
TIM had a solid cause, Reapers had a solid cause. 

Thanks to you  I dived into that swamp that the ME3 forum turned into -.- To get this summary of how idiotic Cerberus and TIM are im ME3. You owe me brain bleach, gallons of it. 

grey_wind wrote...

What goal was that again? Controlling the Reapers?

What did attacking Eve on Sur'Kesh or attempting to blow up half of Tuchanka have to do with that? This is especially stupid when TIM in ME2 emphasizes that he wants the Genophage cured so the Krogan can be used as shock troops. Weakening the Turians only serves to keep the Reapers less distracted from what Cerberus is up to.

Why were they so idiotically tyrannical in attacking colonies? What gains did they get out of their idiotic and bloody mass enslavement of humans? What was the point of the supersized pseudo-husk army when they're supposed to be trying to keep a low profile?

What is the point of the Citadel coup? Even TIM doesn't seem to care if it's successful or not.

Sanctuary is beyond idiotic in its execution. The amount of resources wasted setting up a refugee centre and then marketing it as the safest place in the galaxy is mind-numbingly stupid when there were plenty of easier ways to secure vast numbers of civilians to experiment on.

Not that any elements of this "ruthless" plan even come together. After spending the entire game sabotaging your efforts to build the Crucible, the plot decides that nothing he's done has brought him any closer to controlling the Reapers and he needs the Crucible to accomplish his goal. Because reasons.

.....
The entire scenario as it plays out in ME3 feels incredibly contrived just so you can get a faux "difficult" choice at the end.

[Reznore57]

Well , we knew that most rebel templars were going to be cut from lyrium and that it would be ugly.
I'm not too fond of the red lyrium and powa ranger templars option , because Meredith flying in the air and insanity was a bit silly.
But at least , we're probably going to have to talk about the Chantry getting its soldiers addicted.
This is interesting.
I'm not really seeing the templars as villain here , but more victims of a long term bad system.

[KainD]

@Renmiri1

TIM was indoctrinated remember? So he did the Reapers job ( Reapers who also had a solid cause ), thinking that what he did would help his cause to control the reapers, when in reality it only helped the reapers.

[Fast Jimmy]

Reznore57 wrote...

Well , we knew that most rebel templars were going to be cut from lyrium and that it would be ugly.
I'm not too fond of the red lyrium and powa ranger templars option , because Meredith flying in the air and insanity was a bit silly.
But at least , we're probably going to have to talk about the Chantry getting its soldiers addicted.
This is interesting.
I'm not really seeing the templars as villain here , but more victims of a long term bad system.

...just like Cerebrus, and its mutant army of mind-controlled shock troops?