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[Shadow Fox]

cjones91 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Both sides aren't blameless and frankly it sounds like Justina,Fiona and Adrian escalated the situation for their own reasons.

You forgot to mention Lambert as well,he like Meredith was just looking for a excuse to kill/imprison all the mages.

And like Anders before her Adrian gave it to him.

[The Hierophant]

Indeed hhh89 and, Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 01 septembre 2013 - 11:23 .

[Ausstig]

Adanu wrote...

The Templars brought the circle breaking on themselves when Lambert was an **** with the CIrcle leadership.

The circles didn't declare war, they declared independence and prepared for the inevitable templar army.

Anyone who sees things differently is completely biased towards Templars to be blind to the faults of Lamberts leadership.

But that is the same as the Confederate states. They left the government, something that they may not have had the right too. Of course the gorverment would fight against it, a vote for independence is a vote for war. Everyone knew that. 

dragonflight288 wrote...

No idea. The Dragon Age team isn't the Mass Effect team.

Could have fooled me, enemies with sheilds and now a faction with red eye's. They are reading from the same script.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Again with whitewashing templars and trying to rationalize the behavior of a ****ty man and his crappy overbearing moralism and bias tendencies.

Can't we just agree they both suck? Why all this waifuing over lambert?

[Shadow Fox]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Again with whitewashing templars and trying to rationalize the behavior of a ****ty man and his crappy overbearing moralism and bias tendencies.

Can't we just agree they both suck? Why all this waifuing over lambert?

Elves Will Rise.

[Cainhurst Crow]

All I want is to put an end of zombie lambert and his red lyrium armies, get a god of war-esque finisher or 300 sparta style kick to kill Adrian, and unite the one moderate order and rule over it with an iron fist.

Is that so much to ask?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 02 septembre 2013 - 12:23 .

[MisterJB]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Again with whitewashing templars and trying to rationalize the behavior of a ****ty man and his crappy overbearing moralism and bias tendencies.

Can't we just agree they both suck? Why all this waifuing over lambert?

Elves Will Rise.

...each dawn to prepare the meals for the humans and clean the mansion.

[Shadow Fox]

MisterJB wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Again with whitewashing templars and trying to rationalize the behavior of a ****ty man and his crappy overbearing moralism and bias tendencies.

Can't we just agree they both suck? Why all this waifuing over lambert?

Elves Will Rise.

...each dawn to prepare the meals for the humans and clean the mansion.

Before they burn it down while the humans sleep.

[Ausstig]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Again with whitewashing templars and trying to rationalize the behavior of a ****ty man and his crappy overbearing moralism and bias tendencies.

Can't we just agree they both suck? Why all this waifuing over lambert?

He is not perfect. BUT he does have a good reason for his fear. He was a Templar in Tevinter, where he tried to work the mages (his best mate became the high Magister (is that the right term?) and he became completly corrupt. So he has a reason for not trusting mages.

What about the mages? I know one of them used to be a gray warden (how did she leave? I forget if it was explained?) 

[Renmiri1]

Wow first time I agree with Billy the Squid on this forums, I even had to clean my glasses to make sure I read the name right.

Red Lyrium and Indocrination are very easy to use as plot device, but very difficult to use well. I've hated Meredith's Act3 writing just as much as I hated the reused dungeons. It was not well done.

I won't call it lazy writing because we know the writers were not given proper time to do a decent job there. Act 3 is rushed and it shows.

Me3.. well... I'm glad it is over and I will be able to never buy a game with an ending written by Casey Hudson ever again... It shows that ME4 won't even dare to call itself Mass Effect 4, he completed torched the franchise. Unlucky for him he didn't leave so now he has the unenviable task to fix it, with his well known writing skills. Couldn't have happened to a nicer chap.

PS: I'm a mage supporter and romanced Anders so you know I'm mage side all the way but I don't want my PC enemies to be badly written cartoon villains. I want an antagonist to my Mage lover that makes it hard for me to recruit people for my rebellion because the other side has good people.

I wantr a lot of people in Thedas to side against my side, siding with Templars sincerely, not indoctrinated, lyrium addled or cowered by cheesy villains.

Where's the fun in role playing Snow White against the Evil Witch ? I stopped roleplaying that when I was 6.

[Star fury]

billy the squid wrote...
Lore, my arse. Red Lyrium is the most demonstrably stupid plot mechanic alongside Indoctrination. It was there in ME1, but it was simply used as a hand wave in ME3 to dismiss the arbitrary behaviour, as with Red Lyrium in DA2.

Why's this chap acting crazy? Lyrium/ Indoctrination. It's lazy and bad writing. If people haven't noticed, people have done some horrible things throughout history without the need for magical rocks and space squid control. Although I believe cohesive thought is beyond BioWare at the moment when it comes to writing things unsupported by a crutch. 

Agreed that indoctrination&idol were used too much as a plot device. But I can give examples of bad writing even without indoctrination - I mean look at Udina's coup. Chap wasn't indoctrinated, but still made one of the most stupid decisions in the series.  All was done to have some action scenes on the Citadel.

Then we have Meredith and her idol, cause we need to have end bosses. Who were then dropped altogether from ME3. 

[Star fury]

billy the squid wrote...
The Germans didn't declare war on any of the major powers pre WW2, they just pushed the situation until it became inevitable after the annexing Austria, effectively invading Chezelovakia and then invading Poland. So please don't tell me a party can't bring a situation to an inevitable conflict by antagonising the other faction.

That's exactly what the mage fraternities did, they pushd at the circle until the hardliners in the Templars took the bait and went for the the senior enchanters. They were manipulative and decietful and used the system to precipitate a war of their own design. All the while Justine stood there like a moron, when she knew the faction within the Templars, like Lambert were going to bite sooner or later if the extreamist mages kept antagonising the Templars until the situation was so dire the mages were murdering people.

So it took 45 pages to Godwin's law to work lulz.

[Ausstig]

Star fury wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
Lore, my arse. Red Lyrium is the most demonstrably stupid plot mechanic alongside Indoctrination. It was there in ME1, but it was simply used as a hand wave in ME3 to dismiss the arbitrary behaviour, as with Red Lyrium in DA2.

Why's this chap acting crazy? Lyrium/ Indoctrination. It's lazy and bad writing. If people haven't noticed, people have done some horrible things throughout history without the need for magical rocks and space squid control. Although I believe cohesive thought is beyond BioWare at the moment when it comes to writing things unsupported by a crutch. 

Agreed that indoctrination&idol were used too much as a plot device. But I can give examples of bad writing even without indoctrination - I mean look at Udina's coup. Chap wasn't indoctrinated, but still made one of the most stupid decisions in the series.  All was done to have some action scenes on the Citadel.

Then we have Meredith and her idol, cause we need to have end bosses. Who were then dropped altogether from ME3. 

I thought it was not answered why he did it, he may have been indoctrinated, we don't know. like with Cerberus attacking a planet, we never get an answer. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Didn't Hackett imply they may have gone rouge from Cerberus?

[AresKeith]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Didn't Hackett imply they may have gone rouge from Cerberus?

That was what Cerberus stated, Hackett only told Shepard what he heard

[stormhit]

Star fury wrote...

Agreed that indoctrination&idol were used too much as a plot device. But I can give examples of bad writing even without indoctrination - I mean look at Udina's coup. Chap wasn't indoctrinated, but still made one of the most stupid decisions in the series.  All was done to have some action scenes on the Citadel.

Then we have Meredith and her idol, cause we need to have end bosses. Who were then dropped altogether from ME3. 

That's more an example of something you didn't like, not evidence of "bad writing."  But there's a lot of that going around.

[Dave of Canada]

stormhit13 wrote...

That's more an example of something you didn't like, not evidence of "bad writing."  But there's a lot of that going around.

Udina's coup was beyond stupid, though. At the very least, they should've explained how killing the entire government could've convinced the other species to suddenly abandon their homeworlds to save humanity.

[Savber100]

We need to know more before further developing this concern. In the mean time, someone needs to inform the writers of our concern while also responding (whether through hints etc) that this faction is not the norm at all.

[sandalisthemaker]

Savber100 wrote...

We need to know more before further developing this concern. In the mean time, someone needs to inform the writers of our concern while also responding (whether through hints etc) that this faction is not the norm at all.

Ultimately, if every last Templar is axe crazy and I have to put them all down, then so be it.  I really don't have a problem with it.   Though I would like there to still be moderate Templars around, or at least sane ones that can be reasoned with if I so choose.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:33 .

[Dave of Canada]

The fact that the rock-wraith thing has a templar helmet and skirt doesn't inspire me with confidence.

Will there be harvesters and blood mages roaming around everywhere too?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:36 .

[Star fury]

stormhit13 wrote...

That's more an example of something you didn't like, not evidence of "bad writing."  But there's a lot of that going around.

Care to elaborate? What did you like, Meredith's and Orsino's descent into madness or Udina's coup?

[Renmiri1]

stormhit13 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Agreed that indoctrination&idol were used too much as a plot device. But I can give examples of bad writing even without indoctrination - I mean look at Udina's coup. Chap wasn't indoctrinated, but still made one of the most stupid decisions in the series.  All was done to have some action scenes on the Citadel.

Then we have Meredith and her idol, cause we need to have end bosses. Who were then dropped altogether from ME3. 

That's more an example of something you didn't like, not evidence of "bad writing."  But there's a lot of that going around.

Nah mate. I love DA2 with a passion and defend it daily here but Act 3 Meredith was crap. That act was rushed and it shows. Everywhere.

[Savber100]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

We need to know more before further developing this concern. In the mean time, someone needs to inform the writers of our concern while also responding (whether through hints etc) that this faction is not the norm at all.

Ultimately, if every last Templar is axe crazy and I have to put them all down, then so be it.  I really don't have a problem with it.   Though I would like there to still be moderate Templars around, or at least sane ones that can be reasoned with if I so choose.

Well, if the rumors of Cullen being a companion are true then I'm pretty sure we'll have a group representing the moderate Templars.

[sandalisthemaker]

Dave of Canada wrote...


The fact that the rock-wraith thing has a templar helmet and skirt doesn't inspire me with confidence.

Will there be harvesters and blood mages roaming around everywhere too?

Wow. Interesting.
I just assumed that the rock wratihs had merged with the red lyrium since they had such a strong desire to feed off of it in DA2.

That thing looks like it *was a Templar.*  Perhaps it is the ultimate side effect of red lyrium use and he became a statue like Meredith, but can somehow still move and attack.  A product of the veil tear perhaps?

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:42 .

[Dave of Canada]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Wow. Interesting.
I just assumed that the rock wratihs had merged with the red lyrium since they had such a strong desire to feed off of it in DA2.

That thing looks like it *was a Templar.*  Perhaps it is the ultimate side effect of red lyrium use and he became a statue like Meredith, but can somehow still move and attack.  A product of the veil tear perhaps?

Considering Meredith was basically sniffing her sword and still had moments of lucidity, I really have to wonder what the Templar seeing others turning into rock wraiths would think.