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[In Exile]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Wouldn't mind pragmatic Templar turning to red lyrium if they needed help to fight blood mages, I do mind that red lyrium turns them into gibbering idiots and monsters. Insanity can be done well, look at Anders and how his "whatever it takes" attitude was done, I disliked the character but applauded the approach.  

Maybe turning into a profane is the equivalent of mages turning into abominations? It's basically what happened to the dwarves in DA2, which the game really hit you over the head with. 

[Ausstig]

In Exile wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Wouldn't mind pragmatic Templar turning to red lyrium if they needed help to fight blood mages, I do mind that red lyrium turns them into gibbering idiots and monsters. Insanity can be done well, look at Anders and how his "whatever it takes" attitude was done, I disliked the character but applauded the approach.  

Maybe turning into a profane is the equivalent of mages turning into abominations? It's basically what happened to the dwarves in DA2, which the game really hit you over the head with. 

Wait does that mean Meridith will return  

Edit: I can see the End boss is Meridith returned from the Stone. Queen of Dawaves and Red Templars

Modifié par Ausstig, 02 septembre 2013 - 09:18 .

[Adanu]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Adanu wrote...

The Templars brought the circle breaking on themselves when Lambert was an **** with the CIrcle leadership.

The circles didn't declare war, they declared independence and prepared for the inevitable templar army.

Anyone who sees things differently is completely biased towards Templars to be blind to the faults of Lamberts leadership.

Adrian and Fiona played a part in that too you know.

Adrian is the only one who honestly provoked Lambert, but Lambert is the one who gave the order to press the mages instead of appealing for calm. Fiona did nothing wrong.

[anmale89]

Separatists always declare war, when the separate, Americans did that. Rebellions aren't tp calm but to crush.

[anmale89]

thats1evildude, you're not only one.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Red Lyrium everywhere?
A qunari inquisitor?
Templar demons?


Bloody hell BioWare....

[anmale89]

I fight against the mages and I no longer care what others think about that. I have enough of mage fanatics' porpaganda of joining them and fighting for their cause. I don't care about anyone's cause. Or maybe I'm just seek of supporting separatists?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Red Lyrium everywhere?
A qunari inquisitor?
Templar demons?


Bloody hell BioWare....

Forget the lame parts and focus on the awesome parts. At least the graphic is much better.

[DKJaigen]

anmale89 wrote...

I fight against the mages and I no longer care what others think about that. I have enough of mage fanatics' porpaganda of joining them and fighting for their cause. I don't care about anyone's cause. Or maybe I'm just seek of supporting separatists?

I assume you mean the templar seperatists. You forget that the mage-templar conflict is no longer relevant . you are tasked with uncovering the ones who are reponsible for the mess. You will likely not be able to join the red templars because they are part of the problem.

[DKJaigen]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Filament wrote...

Who says 'whatever it takes' doesn't include making your own 'golems'?

Wouldn't mind pragmatic Templar turning to red lyrium if they needed help to fight blood mages, I do mind that red lyrium turns them into gibbering idiots and monsters. Insanity can be done well, look at Anders and how his "whatever it takes" attitude was done, I disliked the character but applauded the approach.

When a mage turns to blood magic or extreme methods, they're at risk of succumbing to demons but they're themselves every step of the way until then. Dragon Age 2 handled this terribly but least the entire message that they were "pushed to it" was always present.

When Templar start sniffing red lyrium, their entire being is gone and any reason is instantly wiped out. Rather than seeing how Templar deal with a mass hunt of mages across Thedas, lyrium addiction, scorn from the people, etc. We're just seeing them turn evil and serve as filler mooks, the whole Red Templar serve no purpose.

You are suprised that templars are bumbeling into stuff they cannot control.  I have been telling for years that the templar order are no better then slaves. they are simply slaves to another power now.

[MisterJB]

Savber100 wrote...

We need to know more before further developing this concern. In the mean time, someone needs to inform the writers of our concern while also responding (whether through hints etc) that this faction is not the norm at all.

I'm sure they have noticed. Multiple threads about this issue have been created and you did ask one mod yesterday. That particular mod just skipped over that question and answered another.
Just to clarify, I'm not particularly blaming them for not saying anything. I suspect either calming our fears would involve too many spoilers or there's no way of doing that and they can't just say "yes, your worst fears are true. You're welcome to not buy the game".

Then again, they have said in those interviews that you can be "immensely pro-mage". It shouln't be that much of a spoiler to say the same for the Templars if that is an option in the game.

[Captain Obvious]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Red Lyrium everywhere?
A qunari inquisitor?
Templar demons?


Bloody hell BioWare....

A Qunari Inquisitor is one of the best things about this game.

[dragonflight288]

DKJaigen wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Filament wrote...

Who says 'whatever it takes' doesn't include making your own 'golems'?

Wouldn't mind pragmatic Templar turning to red lyrium if they needed help to fight blood mages, I do mind that red lyrium turns them into gibbering idiots and monsters. Insanity can be done well, look at Anders and how his "whatever it takes" attitude was done, I disliked the character but applauded the approach.

When a mage turns to blood magic or extreme methods, they're at risk of succumbing to demons but they're themselves every step of the way until then. Dragon Age 2 handled this terribly but least the entire message that they were "pushed to it" was always present.

When Templar start sniffing red lyrium, their entire being is gone and any reason is instantly wiped out. Rather than seeing how Templar deal with a mass hunt of mages across Thedas, lyrium addiction, scorn from the people, etc. We're just seeing them turn evil and serve as filler mooks, the whole Red Templar serve no purpose.

You are suprised that templars are bumbeling into stuff they cannot control.  I have been telling for years that the templar order are no better then slaves. they are simply slaves to another power now.

You and I both have been saying that.

[anmale89]

DKJaigen, the thing is nobody cares about the demon invasion, most of people here are still mage fanatics, who want nothing but destruction of the templars and the chantry. I'm sick of hearing their repetetive propaganda and I'm done with helping mages. I killed Anders, I rejected all he believed in and I no longer care about mages and their cause. I also think mage-templar war no longer matters because the demons started invasion on Thedas, I simply pretend to not care about that like those fanatics do, I want them to know that there are those, who don't want to support mages.

[leaguer of one]

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Red Lyrium everywhere?
A qunari inquisitor?
Templar demons?


Bloody hell BioWare....

A Qunari Inquisitor is one of the best things about this game.

Nobody expect the Qunari Inquisition.

[The Elder King]

@MisterJB: I think that they said that you can be pro-mage in the first videos because of the fear that the Inquisition would've been forced to have a pro-Chantry stance. In the later interviews and videos the aknowledged that the mage-templar debate is important to people on both sides, and that they wanted to maintain neutral, and that is about to RL stance on the freedom vs security topic.
I doubt that they'll railroad the entire Order in the red templars. It's more likely that there'll be two templar faction not related to Chantry, plus the Seekers and the mages to complete the factions in this plot (and those factions are indicated all in the rings shown in the first concept arts.

[anmale89]

In earlier article Lidlaw (or however Mark's name is spelled) claimed that in DA2 were shown worst traits of both mages and templars and in DAI best traits of them will be shown. Red templars contradicts this claimings. Bioware's last products are not to make players think about freedom and control, but to propagade antireligious rebellions. Qun is an equivalent of Islam and the Chantry is equivalent of Christianity. Truth is atheists are no better, they see every religious fallower as a heretic. Communist goverments have own deathsquads, they stalked and opressed those, who questioned philosophy of the communist rulers,. Communist Special FOrces replaced Spanish Inquisition.

[The Elder King]

You defeat the qunari invasion no matter what (you can even to against them before) and you can side with the templars in DA2. Your argoment is invalid.
And red templars don't contradict what Laidlaw said, because there is no sign they'll rapresent the majority of the templars. It's simply the most extreme and cruel part of the templars, as mages that will destroy/enslave villages will rapresent the extreme and cruel part of the mages.
edit: and please don't talk about RL religions or politics. It isn't allowed and it doesn't end we'll.

Modifié par hhh89, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:36 .

[DKJaigen]

anmale89 wrote...

DKJaigen, the thing is nobody cares about the demon invasion, most of people here are still mage fanatics, who want nothing but destruction of the templars and the chantry. I'm sick of hearing their repetetive propaganda and I'm done with helping mages. I killed Anders, I rejected all he believed in and I no longer care about mages and their cause. I also think mage-templar war no longer matters because the demons started invasion on Thedas, I simply pretend to not care about that like those fanatics do, I want them to know that there are those, who don't want to support mages.

Thats your choice. But i suspect the only thing you can do is side with the blue templars that are still loyal to the divine
and her reformation policies. I myself am not pro mage. but im sincerly anti templar because i and dragonflight predicted that this would happen as far back as DAO.

The reason misterJB ignores me is because i force him into dialogue where i force him to acknowledge the many flaws of the templar order to the point he outright lies.. i love that kind of templar supporter. But that the templar maybe a greater threat then the mages is something i saw coming miles away. this system doesnt work. if your a cop and you use any form of drugs you booted because you have become a liability.

[Dean_the_Young]

cjones91 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I've read Asunder three times and no where in the book did the mages declare war.You're letting your bias cloud the events of the book in order to paint Justinia and the mages as the bad guys.

The epilogue, Rhys was the final vote.

That was after the Mages were attacked and most of the First Enchanters were killed,the templars drew first blood at that point.

Is this before or after Templar guards were killed to further mage rebellion?

Remember that senior enchanter who was struck down by a guilt ridden templar?Because that was the match that lit the volatile powder keg.

And here I thought the spark had something to do with an abomination, a chantry, and a big explosion.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

the way I see it, Red Templars are probably the most militant of the organization and will go to any length to bring the mages to heel. There's a kind of irony to that, considering mages who will go to any length to protect themselves. Like resort to demons, possession, abominable.. abominability? They become creepy looking skin suits for demons. Then there's blood magic, of course.

Whatever the reason for this off-shoot of the Templar Order, I'll hopefully still be able to put it down and be back at the keep in time for another witch burning.

Modifié par OLDIRTYBARON, 02 septembre 2013 - 04:39 .

[dragonflight288]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I've read Asunder three times and no where in the book did the mages declare war.You're letting your bias cloud the events of the book in order to paint Justinia and the mages as the bad guys.

The epilogue, Rhys was the final vote.

That was after the Mages were attacked and most of the First Enchanters were killed,the templars drew first blood at that point.

Is this before or after Templar guards were killed to further mage rebellion?

Remember that senior enchanter who was struck down by a guilt ridden templar?Because that was the match that lit the volatile powder keg.

And here I thought the spark had something to do with an abomination, a chantry, and a big explosion.

Nope. The spark wasn't what happened in Kirkwall. That only brought the tension straight to the surface. The events of Asunder are what sparked the war.

[Dean_the_Young]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

I've read Asunder three times and no where in the book did the mages declare war.You're letting your bias cloud the events of the book in order to paint Justinia and the mages as the bad guys.

The epilogue, Rhys was the final vote.

That was after the Mages were attacked and most of the First Enchanters were killed,the templars drew first blood at that point.

Is this before or after Templar guards were killed to further mage rebellion?

Remember that senior enchanter who was struck down by a guilt ridden templar?Because that was the match that lit the volatile powder keg.

And here I thought the spark had something to do with an abomination, a chantry, and a big explosion.

Nope. The spark wasn't what happened in Kirkwall. That only brought the tension straight to the surface. The events of Asunder are what sparked the war.

If you take an arbitrary restriction of timeframe, sure. Or we could argue that the events of Asunder are dependent on events of DA2, and so place the responsibility there.

Past trying to set the blame one one faction or the other for ideological reasons, there's no functional difference when dealing with a series of consecutively dependent events between the last event in the chain and the first.

[sandalisthemaker]

Updated the OP with a pic of the red rock wraith creature that appears to be wearing Templar armor. This may be the ultimate result of Red Lyrium abuse. The Inquisitor and co had just finished killing a few Red Templars in the cave, during the demo, before the creature showed up.

[MisterJB]

POSSIBLY SPOILERS

Some leaks have surfaced that date back to February and, despite this, use the name "Red Templars" which lends them crediblity.
According to these leaks, Red Templars will serve as the main enemy for most of the game and the person controlling them will be trying to reach the Black City. So, their goals don't even seem to be related to mages that much which means that making them Templars serves little purpose beyond alienating their supporters.
My only hope now is that they use the name "Red" in order to differentiate between them and the real Templars.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 septembre 2013 - 09:18 .