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[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
But the Rivaini mages were harming no one and did'nt go on killing rampages,the only they were killed was because some Seeker did'nt like them seeing their family members and snitched to the Chantry.

According to World of Thedas, the Seers rule Rivain's communities. "Magic must serve man and never rule over him."

I interpret that as mages should not let their power consume them and use it to hurt others.There is nothing that states mages can't be rulers or people would have objected to a Mage Warden being Arl/Arlessa of Amaranthine.

[AresKeith]

MisterJB wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

What if the Red Templars is the Templard Order from Tevinter and is being used by the Magisters and the Black Divine?

That...would fix almost everything, actually.

So far we don't really know anything about them except for the leak, them using Red Lyrium, being "long term enemies", and some turning into Rock Wraiths

But there's only a few instances that would make me ok with them

We know that in Tevinter, the Templar Order only has the power the mages allow them to have, the Magisters wouldn't think twice about force feeding them Red Lyrium and setting them loose on the South; those fans who support the Templar Order wouldn't feel abandoned by Bioware and the Red Templars would be no more insane mooks than the Nilfgaardian soldiers from The Witcher 2 are or Loghain's troops in DAO were.
I still wouldn't wish for them to make up the majority of gameplay but I think it would be an elegant solution.

That's one of the instances I would be atleast content with

Along with them being a mirror to Bloodmages/Abominations of desperate Templars but no longer in the Order in the War, or being tied into the Red Lyrium plot line where we can atleast deminish their numbers after that part

[Eternal Phoenix]

They can be no worst than the mages who were kidnapping people, using necromancy, entering deals with demons and slaughtering everyone including innocent mages and blowing up churches with orphans in them...

[Vit246]

nevermind.

Modifié par Vit246, 02 septembre 2013 - 11:08 .

[Steelcan]

I like how the apostates with no exposure to the Circle Morrigan and the Hawkes never succumbed to demonic possession.

Its almost like the ones who were being ruled by Templars were the only ones to do it....

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Except for Connor and Meredith's sister.

[Steelcan]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Except for Connor and Meredith's sister.

Connor, the child who was taught by a moronic maleficar, and a second hand account from someone who can't tell the difference between a blood mage and a templar.

[EmperorSahlertz]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Here's  new artwork that shows the Templars in an unfavorable light.  They are about to storm a mage camp. There is a baby in one of the Mage's arms, and the mage in the foreground seems to be resorting to blood magic out of desperation.  

Actually, in that picture the Templars are marching under the rays of the sun, which commonly means they are shown in a positive light. A painter usually paints the "good" guys in the light, while the "bad" guys are in the dark. However in this particular picture, it also goes to great lengths in showing the mages' situation, which is obviously a lot more desperate than a lot of people previously thought. This picture actually does a great job of representing both sides, in a rather even perspective.

[Steelcan]

The Templars in that picture are masked and uniform. The mages have visible emotions and even a baby.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Steelcan wrote...

I like how the apostates with no exposure to the Circle Morrigan and the Hawkes never succumbed to demonic possession.

Its almost like the ones who were being ruled by Templars were the only ones to do it....

Every single abomination you encounter outside of the Circle in DA:O is the result of an apostate. However, most of the actually named characters who have fallen to demonic influences, have indeed been Circle characters. However, given that the vast majority of all named mages in the game, have also been Circle mages, renders the comparison rather unfair.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 02 septembre 2013 - 11:18 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

MisterJB wrote...

What if the Red Templars is the Templar Order from Tevinter and is being used by the Magisters and the Black Divine?

That...would fix almost everything, actually.

That would also be a complete asspull to make the templars do no wrong. I know you hate mages, but making mages in charge of extremist templars who rape and pillage just seems like whitewashing templars more than most mage supporters whitewash anders.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 02 septembre 2013 - 11:20 .

[Steelcan]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I like how the apostates with no exposure to the Circle Morrigan and the Hawkes never succumbed to demonic possession.

Its almost like the ones who were being ruled by Templars were the only ones to do it....

Every single abomination you encounter outside of the Circle in DA:O is the result of an apostate. However, most of the actually named characters who have fallen to demonic influences, have indeed been Circle characters. However, given that the vast majority of all named mages in the game, have also been Circle mages, renders the comparison is rather unfair.

Like the ones accompanied by arcane hororrs and legions of skeletons?

That's called a gameplay/story segregation

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 septembre 2013 - 11:19 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Steelcan wrote...

The Templars in that picture are masked and uniform. The mages have visible emotions and even a baby.

Indeed. That is what helps the mages in this case. As I said, it does a good job of representing both sides. The Templars approach in uniform, as symbols of duty and order. While the mages symbolizes the chaos and freedom (note that the mages are clearly not a coherent army like the Templars in this case, further amplifying the chaotic feel to them)

[EmperorSahlertz]

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I like how the apostates with no exposure to the Circle Morrigan and the Hawkes never succumbed to demonic possession.

Its almost like the ones who were being ruled by Templars were the only ones to do it....

Every single abomination you encounter outside of the Circle in DA:O is the result of an apostate. However, most of the actually named characters who have fallen to demonic influences, have indeed been Circle characters. However, given that the vast majority of all named mages in the game, have also been Circle mages, renders the comparison is rather unfair.

Like the ones accompanied by arcane hororrs and legions of skeletons?

That's called a gameplay/story segregation

Not really. Lore very clearly states, that once an Abomination has been created, it will start to try and pull more demons through the veil. This will in some cases create undead "armies" as we encounter. Nothing lore breaking here. It actually fits right into the already established lore.

[Steelcan]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Templars in that picture are masked and uniform. The mages have visible emotions and even a baby.

Indeed. That is what helps the mages in this case. As I said, it does a good job of representing both sides. The Templars approach in uniform, as symbols of duty and order. While the mages symbolizes the chaos and freedom (note that the mages are clearly not a coherent army like the Templars in this case, further amplifying the chaotic feel to them)

There's a word for order/duty and the will to carry out those orders to the extreme of killing children.

[Archereon]

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I like how the apostates with no exposure to the Circle Morrigan and the Hawkes never succumbed to demonic possession.

Its almost like the ones who were being ruled by Templars were the only ones to do it....

Every single abomination you encounter outside of the Circle in DA:O is the result of an apostate. However, most of the actually named characters who have fallen to demonic influences, have indeed been Circle characters. However, given that the vast majority of all named mages in the game, have also been Circle mages, renders the comparison is rather unfair.

Like the ones accompanied by arcane hororrs and legions of skeletons?

That's called a gameplay/story segregation

I'm sorry, but which encounter are you referencing? 

[Steelcan]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not really. Lore very clearly states, that once an Abomination has been created, it will start to try and pull more demons through the veil. This will in some cases create undead "armies" as we encounter. Nothing lore breaking here. It actually fits right into the already established lore.

And here I thought that skeletons were bodies reanimated with blood magic, not demonic possession

[Cainhurst Crow]

Anyone else find it funny that the pro-templars and pro-mages both want the other side portrayed the same way?

As evil sith lords who have no morals or ethics and who don't invoke guilt for killin.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 02 septembre 2013 - 11:27 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Templars in that picture are masked and uniform. The mages have visible emotions and even a baby.

Indeed. That is what helps the mages in this case. As I said, it does a good job of representing both sides. The Templars approach in uniform, as symbols of duty and order. While the mages symbolizes the chaos and freedom (note that the mages are clearly not a coherent army like the Templars in this case, further amplifying the chaotic feel to them)

There's a word for order/duty and the will to carry out those orders to the extreme of killing children.


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Luckily I don't subscribe to some arbitrary idea of good and evil. However, order and chaos does exist, and the Templars and the mages very clearly represent each respectively. Now chaos is not inherently a bad thing, nor is order a good thing, and as such, both sides give valid and true perspectives and ideas to the subject.

[Archereon]

@Steelcan: Skeletons can be animated by either if I understand lore correctly.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not really. Lore very clearly states, that once an Abomination has been created, it will start to try and pull more demons through the veil. This will in some cases create undead "armies" as we encounter. Nothing lore breaking here. It actually fits right into the already established lore.

And here I thought that skeletons were bodies reanimated with blood magic, not demonic possession

You would be wrong. The undead in Dragon Age, is actually not reanimated dead, but rather corpses possessed by demons. However, true necromancy does exist, as we see in the case of Hawke's mother. However that is a lost and forgotten magical art, and the undead the rest of the world have been exposed to, is actually "just" demons, in the dead bodies of humans.

[Steelcan]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Templars in that picture are masked and uniform. The mages have visible emotions and even a baby.

Indeed. That is what helps the mages in this case. As I said, it does a good job of representing both sides. The Templars approach in uniform, as symbols of duty and order. While the mages symbolizes the chaos and freedom (note that the mages are clearly not a coherent army like the Templars in this case, further amplifying the chaotic feel to them)

There's a word for order/duty and the will to carry out those orders to the extreme of killing children.

Luckily I don't subscribe to some arbitrary idea of good and evil. However, order and chaos does exist, and the Templars and the mages very clearly represent each respectively. Now chaos is not inherently a bad thing, nor is order a good thing, and as such, both sides give valid and true perspectives and ideas to the subject.

Killing children is not subjective

[Steelcan]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not really. Lore very clearly states, that once an Abomination has been created, it will start to try and pull more demons through the veil. This will in some cases create undead "armies" as we encounter. Nothing lore breaking here. It actually fits right into the already established lore.

And here I thought that skeletons were bodies reanimated with blood magic, not demonic possession

You would be wrong. The undead in Dragon Age, is actually not reanimated dead, but rather corpses possessed by demons. However, true necromancy does exist, as we see in the case of Hawke's mother. However that is a lost and forgotten magical art, and the undead the rest of the world have been exposed to, is actually "just" demons, in the dead bodies of humans.

My bad.

But I still maintain that these random encounters are simply a gameplay mechanic.  unless you also think street gangs are really going to throw dozens of people at three people for..... reasons.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Templars in that picture are masked and uniform. The mages have visible emotions and even a baby.

Indeed. That is what helps the mages in this case. As I said, it does a good job of representing both sides. The Templars approach in uniform, as symbols of duty and order. While the mages symbolizes the chaos and freedom (note that the mages are clearly not a coherent army like the Templars in this case, further amplifying the chaotic feel to them)

There's a word for order/duty and the will to carry out those orders to the extreme of killing children.

Luckily I don't subscribe to some arbitrary idea of good and evil. However, order and chaos does exist, and the Templars and the mages very clearly represent each respectively. Now chaos is not inherently a bad thing, nor is order a good thing, and as such, both sides give valid and true perspectives and ideas to the subject.

Killing children is not subjective

Some would argue that it is. Even a die hard christian, would possibly argue, that the killing of the infant antichrist before his rise to power, would be completely justifiable.

BUT since an infant, usually do not have any magical abilities manifested yet, there is absolutely no reason to beleive the Templars would kill the children.