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[Ausstig]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

So these leaks (if true) show us that biowaer is recycling the plot of ME3, as well as the combat focus. So yeah cerberus templars, cause you know who the most memorable villian in DA:O was, the Arch Daemon. Not the man with good intentions and relatable goals and emotions. Nope all villians have to have 1d and can not be reasoned with, like the Joker in the Dark Knight, but less fun.

I'd rather have EVUL villians then one were they try to justify the villian's attrocities.

Just my opinion ofcourse.

There is a place for mindless evil; Darkspawn, Reapers, daemons. These are mindless evil. Humans should not be, given THESE FORCES ARE ALSO PRESENT IN THE SAME GAMES

[Shadow Fox]

Ausstig wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

So these leaks (if true) show us that biowaer is recycling the plot of ME3, as well as the combat focus. So yeah cerberus templars, cause you know who the most memorable villian in DA:O was, the Arch Daemon. Not the man with good intentions and relatable goals and emotions. Nope all villians have to have 1d and can not be reasoned with, like the Joker in the Dark Knight, but less fun.

I'd rather have EVUL villians then one were they try to justify the villian's attrocities.

Just my opinion ofcourse.

There is a place for mindless evil; Darkspawn, Reapers, daemons. These are mindless evil. Humans should not be, given THESE FORCES ARE ALSO PRESENT IN THE SAME GAMES

Well I didn't consider Loghain sympathetic at all.

[cjones91]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

So these leaks (if true) show us that biowaer is recycling the plot of ME3, as well as the combat focus. So yeah cerberus templars, cause you know who the most memorable villian in DA:O was, the Arch Daemon. Not the man with good intentions and relatable goals and emotions. Nope all villians have to have 1d and can not be reasoned with, like the Joker in the Dark Knight, but less fun.

I'd rather have EVUL villians then one were they try to justify the villian's attrocities.

Just my opinion ofcourse.

There is a place for mindless evil; Darkspawn, Reapers, daemons. These are mindless evil. Humans should not be, given THESE FORCES ARE ALSO PRESENT IN THE SAME GAMES

Well I didn't consider Loghain sympathetic at all.

If you read Stolen Throne then Loghain was very sympathetic and reasonable.

Modifié par cjones91, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:49 .

[Taleroth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Well I didn't consider Loghain sympathetic at all.

What?! How do you not relate to nationalism and paranoia?

I dare anyone to say they would not have done the same in his shoes. When faced with a possible invasion using what you believe to be a minor darkspawn attack as cover, clearly the best choice is to destroy half your own army instead of just ending the darkspawn threat and regrouping. 

[The Hierophant]

MisterJB wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Hopefully the RT will have as much depth as Skeletor, and crew.

C'mon, now you're just overreaching. I mean, there was that time Skeletor learned the meaning of Christmas. No way the Reds will ever reach that level of depth.

As this is their first and possibly last appearance, true. With Skeletor having multiple television series under his belt i may have been over ambitious in my wish. The guy can be compromised with and he momentarily displayed a softer side like you mentioned.

[Lord Raijin]

cjones91 wrote...
The problem is templars have the numbers and
from the recent screenshots the mages appear to be disorganized.Also
the templars will try to stir the public's resentment of magic in order
to gain their support so the mages will have to win the people's
trust.

Screenshots you mean the concept art? I don't honestly take those kind of footages seriously. They're called "concept" for a reason. It's not exactly canon material. Just an idea. I'm sure theirs many organized mages that can outrank the tamplars, and weak mages who become abominations can do massive damages.

Can you imagine Uldred x 20? or First Enchanter Orsino x10? I can't possibly see templars winning this battle. For Makers breath Uldred almost took over the castle without the assistance of the Warden.

And once the public sees the behavior of the Red templars they will realize that the templars are out of control anyways. Drug withdrawls causes psychiatric effects after all.

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Yes, woohoo, go mages. Loyalists ftw!

Someone has to defend the Mages I tend to do that just as much as I'm obligated to defend the very concept of being a templar. As as mage only player and as a loyalist I actually amire Knight-Commander Greagoir.

[Ollys]

Arcane Warrior
I'd rather have EVUL villians then one were they try to justify the villian's attrocities.

Just my opinion ofcourse.

 
Actually story writers must be more neutral and give player to deside to who is right and with who he want allied himself, not forcing his bounds with one of game faction. Its rpg after all and playes can want to roleplay different roles, include evil roles if he want also, not just one one single path that GM see as right path.

And if you want allied youself with some faction you want reasonable arguments from different percepectives, not just "we chaotic evil and slay everyone for same of evilness, lol" I think New Vegas did good when playing on this field. Legion is a more "bad" faction there? Sure, but they have alot of good and reasonable traits, when they opponents have cons not less then they.

Modifié par Ollys, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:45 .

[Daerog]

Lord Raijin wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Yes, woohoo, go mages. Loyalists ftw!

Someone has to defend the Mages I tend to do that just as much as I'm obligated to defend the very concept of being a templar. As as mage only player and as a loyalist I actually amire Knight-Commander Greagoir.

Personally I would say I am more pro Circle myself (ingame being neither pro mage or pro Templar). Usually my mages are more Aequitarian and leaning Loyalist, but after Asunder I can only imagine my mage in Inquisition being loyalist.

 On the boards I used to take a neutral stance but that was boring since it was either Mage or Templar it seems, so I tend to jump in with the Templars in the board wars because they have shiny uniforms and makes the (same) arguments (that repeat over and over and over and over again) more fun.

I'm planning on going Pro- Ancient Tevinter soon if it keeps going.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 04 septembre 2013 - 04:49 .

[Ausstig]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...


I'm planning on going Pro- Ancient Tevinter soon if it keeps going.

I would like a DA game set in Ancient Tevinter 

[Renmiri1]

I'm pro mage 100% though Cullen might manage to make me soften my views on Templars.. Roses and chocolate and massage work wonders

Would be interesting to have a 3rd faction that want to kill both mages and templars and restablish Tevinter.. Or are teh Qunari that 3rd force ?

[Ausstig]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I'm pro mage 100% though Cullen might manage to make me soften my views on Templars.. Roses and chocolate and massage work wonders

Would be interesting to have a 3rd faction that want to kill both mages and templars and restablish Tevinter.. Or are teh Qunari that 3rd force ?

Dispite the fact that the Qunari would work really easily as a new foe to all, evil force. The writer loooves them. They are always, always treated as being good and right and they, such as in DA2, they only way to fight them the entire way is to join some fanatics, THEY ALWAYS GET THE BOOK, I wanted to ripe it and ****** on it when Isable brought it in. In the MoA DLC, woudl could not stop them winning, even siding against her had her win any way. In the Comic, Alister (aka King dropkick) got their help to fight some mages. so yeah 

[The Elder King]

Qunari are probably left behind for Inquisition because they might want to use them later. It's not far fetched that in the future games (or even the fourth) there'll the a qunari invasion as a main plot.

[The Elder King]

Allan responded in the PAX Q&A thread about red templars being mindless and a plot device, and if villains are for the mindless or insane.
He said that right not all the writing parts (story, romances, etc.) aren't in a definitive state. Considering that (in the case the leak is legit) things seems to have changed from the leak, the main plot, or the role of the RT, might change.

[TTTX]

hhh89 wrote...

Allan responded in the PAX Q&A thread about red templars being mindless and a plot device, and if villains are for the mindless or insane.
He said that right not all the writing parts (story, romances, etc.) aren't in a definitive state. Considering that (in the case the leak is legit) things seems to have changed from the leak, the main plot, or the role of the RT, might change.

Personally I hope that the Red templars is a splinter group from the main faction, having another orgination go crazy and DA version of indoctanation would just be bad.

It didn't work in ME3 and it won't work in DA:I, hopefully the writers won't do that. Crazyness was soooo DA2 and ME3 and I don't want it to be overused again.

[The Elder King]

As I said before, I think that there'll be two faction of templars regardless the role of the RT in the story. The 'rings' in one of the first concept arts in the site shown a ring that have red glowing stone, that we now know indicates the RT. Since there was a ring with the templar symbol, and the concept is stated to rapresent something in the game, is likely that there'll be two templars factions, as well as the Seekers and the mages.

[Lotion Soronarr]

hhh89 wrote...

Allan responded in the PAX Q&A thread about red templars being mindless and a plot device, and if villains are for the mindless or insane.
He said that right not all the writing parts (story, romances, etc.) aren't in a definitive state. Considering that (in the case the leak is legit) things seems to have changed from the leak, the main plot, or the role of the RT, might change.

We heard that before any time there's a leak.

In the vast majority of the cases, nothing changed.

I choose to be a pessimist, because it's a win-win scenario

[The Elder King]

Well, some of the things on the leak have changed (if it's legit), seeing the demo. And the first ME3 leak has things different from the final game.
Though I think yours is a good approach.

[Vortex13]

I would like the option of siding with the Templars or the Mages to be a morally grey choice; no right or wrong choice. I don't want to see the Pro-Templar choice to be seen as the Evil or Renegade choice, and the Pro-Mage choice being the Good or Paragon choice; or vice versa.

The decision should have equal parts good and bad tied to it; not one choice being the 'good' choice, and the other being the: "I'm a psychotic, evil monster" choice. Prime example being the Werewolves vs. Dalish clan in DA:O. I am glad for the variety of choices, but really, picking the Werewolves had no logical reasoning behind it besides: "I'm evil!"

Ideally, I would prefer an option of working with both sides; negotiating terms between the two factions. I would hope that the decision presented to the player is more nuanced then:

Side with the Mages = Complete dissolution of the Circle system and all Mages are totally free.

OR

Side with the Templars = Circle system reinstated with no changes and/or killing all Mages.

I would like the option of having the Circle system brought back with a major overhaul to its power structure, more checks and balances, made more like a boarding school and less like a prison. Allow Mages to have more say-so in Circle affairs, let proven, and trustworthy Mages leave the Circle, and start their own families, let families come and visit Mages being trained. However, don't completely remove the 'mundanes' from the equation; Templars should still be given charge over 'policing' the Mages (protecting them from the world and the world from them), training at the Circle should still be mandatory until the time that the Mage can prove to be in control of his/her powers and is not a danger to those around him/her, and those Mages that are allowed to leave and start their own families should still have to annual checkups with the nearest Circle.

Also, if the Red Templars are indeed a 'Cerberus-like' faction of the Templar forces; being evil for evil's sake; I would like equal representation of Blood Mages/Demon cults for the Mage forces. Its kinda hard to have a morally ambiguous decision, if only one side has a group of crazies and the other does not.

[Dave of Canada]

hhh89 wrote...

As I said before, I think that there'll be two faction of templars regardless the role of the RT in the story. The 'rings' in one of the first concept arts in the site shown a ring that have red glowing stone, that we now know indicates the RT. Since there was a ring with the templar symbol, and the concept is stated to rapresent something in the game, is likely that there'll be two templars factions, as well as the Seekers and the mages.

I'm pessimistic because when ME3's script was leaked, it was terrible and everyone defended it by saying it was incomplete and we were freaking out over nothing. Then marketing started insulting us, writers straight out lied to us and the final product was pretty much the exact same product regarding our complaints.

Hell, most of the people still mad about the endings are the people who told us to stop complaining about the script. 

[The Elder King]

@Dave: While I still believe the leak is false, I understand why people are pessimistic about it. And I remember people insulting you and others. And that a lot of people who believe it was false are now pissed at ME3 endings.
As i said, I find it strange that the leak is being posted as a simple screenshot now, after the PAX, when it was supposed to be leaked in February and May, while nobody knew about it (i don't remember this ever happened, so if someone know a similar case, feel free to say it); and that the leak seems to talk about the things said in the demo, but heavily changed.
I think that the best approach for everyone who wouldn't like to play the game with that kind of plot/main enemy to wait until either more story info will be shown (for example, if they announce the t the main enemy is an X org and not the RT), or wait until release to know if the leak was true or not.

I just want to point out that SPOILER


based on the demo, the role of the advisor groups has changed to the role we can give our keeps, and that two out of three symbols for those groups are shown as symbol for unrelated agent mission.
The RT problem is still valid, but the supposed change give me a bit of hope, though as I said, is completely right to be pessimistic.

[MisterJB]

hhh89 wrote...

Allan responded in the PAX Q&A thread about red templars being mindless and a plot device, and if villains are for the mindless or insane.
He said that right not all the writing parts (story, romances, etc.) aren't in a definitive state. Considering that (in the case the leak is legit) things seems to have changed from the leak, the main plot, or the role of the RT, might change.

Unless we're looking at different posts, all he said was that he wasn't qualified to answer; which could simply mean story is not part of his duties; and that even if he was, he wouldn't because without full details, people would start assuming things.

[The Elder King]

The post is the same, but look at the end of it:

This isn't something I'm actually all that qualified to confirm, to be honest. If I were, however, I'd still skip it because assumptions run rampant without full details and at this point things like story, romances, and stuff like that are still pretty hush hush. Sorry.

Doesn't the last line mean that story and romances aren't definitive? If not, I apologize. I misunderstood what he meant.