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[Xilizhra]

Palidane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Circle, if they ever want aid from it ever again and don't want more aid being given to Orlais' enemies.

Uh huh. But what if, say, every Andrastian nation in Thedas decided to lock up all it's mages? You know, hypothetically.

I shall cross that bridge if we come to it. It may involve blood magic.

Doesn't change his point that violence would only lead to more violence in reponse.

In certain contexts. In this one, violence is necessary.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 août 2013 - 03:52 .

[Lord Raijin]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

He cared enough to give Elthina a merciful death. She deserves much worse. She deserves to be made to suffer the way that both mages and mundanes of Kirkwall have suffered due to her negligence.

This is twisted, Plaintiff.

You really believe that two wrongs make a right?

It depends on the situation. The fact is she was largely responsible for allowing things to go so unstable that it pushed an apostate to take drastic action. Had Elthina acted like a Grand Cleric and not as everyone's biolgical mother then perhabs things would've been a lot different. Elthina was a terrible Grand Cleric and at one point she starts to show her arrogence by saying "I'm Grand Cleric... who would dare harm me?"

[TheBlackBaron]

Depends. The Dragon Age team has been ever so slightly more resistant to the bleatings of Bioware's blessed paladin children (DA2 basically being one long eff you to the concept of "I'm the hero, I do good things, everything is supposed to work out"). Much of the blood magic insanity that surrounded Kirkwall was due to the writers realizing that their portrayal of mages and Templars back in DA:O was, far from being shades of gray, causing people to overwhelmingly support the mages.

Hence, of course, that bit in the Codex about centuries of ritualized slaughter and mass blood magic use during the Tevinter years shredding boundary between reality and the Warp Fade.

So, while they might pull a Cerberus in that the Templars will suddenly have been running a massive shadow empire inside the Chantry that we've mysteriously never seen a hint of before, and thus have a huge amount of mooks to throw at the player, I don't think we'll wind up fighting them 75% of the game either.

[Shadow Fox]

Taleroth wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Circle, if they ever want aid from it ever again and don't want more aid being given to Orlais' enemies.

Uh huh. But what if, say, every Andrastian nation in Thedas decided to lock up all it's mages? You know, hypothetically.

Then they'd be overrun by the Dalish. THE ELVES RISE AGAIN

The Dalish who's had it's ass kicked repeatedly by the human nations and can't even stay united its self?:innocent:

[Taleroth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Circle, if they ever want aid from it ever again and don't want more aid being given to Orlais' enemies.

Uh huh. But what if, say, every Andrastian nation in Thedas decided to lock up all it's mages? You know, hypothetically.

Then they'd be overrun by the Dalish. THE ELVES RISE AGAIN

The Dalish who's had it's ass kicked repeatedly by the human nations and can't even stay united its self?:innocent:

That was when their enemies had mages.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Circle, if they ever want aid from it ever again and don't want more aid being given to Orlais' enemies.

Uh huh. But what if, say, every Andrastian nation in Thedas decided to lock up all it's mages? You know, hypothetically.

I shall cross that bridge if we come to it. It may involve blood magic.

Doesn't change his point that violence would only lead to more violence in reponse.

In certain contexts. In this one, violence is necessary.

I like where this is going:devil:

[Shadow Fox]

Taleroth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Circle, if they ever want aid from it ever again and don't want more aid being given to Orlais' enemies.

Uh huh. But what if, say, every Andrastian nation in Thedas decided to lock up all it's mages? You know, hypothetically.

Then they'd be overrun by the Dalish. THE ELVES RISE AGAIN

The Dalish who's had it's ass kicked repeatedly by the human nations and can't even stay united its self?:innocent:

That was when their enemies had mages.

The Dales had mages too Ferelden,Tevinter and Orlais still handed them their asses on a  silver platter.

[Taleroth]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
The Dales had mages too Ferelden,Tevinter and Orlais still handed them their asses on a  silver platter.

But now only the Dalish have mages.

[Steelcan]

Taleroth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
The Dales had mages too Ferelden,Tevinter and Orlais still handed them their asses on a  silver platter.

But now only the Dalish have mages.

No mages in Tevinter?

[Palidane]

Oh please. The Dalish are no threat to anybody. A bunch of nomads with bows and arrows are a nuisance for city guards to worry about, not heads of state.

[Star fury]

Xilizhra wrote...
Cerberus was always the same, just hiding its face from you. If the templars turn out to be the same, as seems likely... oh, 'twill be delicious. Also, you'll never succeed in your plan; the mage class will always be open to players.

People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

There is also a problem of two very different portrayals of templars in DAO and DA2. DAO templars were reasonable  with exceptions. DA2 templars were a bunch of psychopaths with exceptions.

Modifié par Star fury, 20 août 2013 - 04:46 .

[Steelcan]

Star fury wrote...


People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

Carried out by Alliance scientists as Hackett says while Cerberus was an Alliance Black-Op

[leaguer of one]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
The Circle, if they ever want aid from it ever again and don't want more aid being given to Orlais' enemies.

Uh huh. But what if, say, every Andrastian nation in Thedas decided to lock up all it's mages? You know, hypothetically.

Then they'd be overrun by the Dalish. THE ELVES RISE AGAIN

The Dalish who's had it's ass kicked repeatedly by the human nations and can't even stay united its self?:innocent:

The dalish had every human country at once attack it at once because some Divine had tamtume. And even that they treat there mage with more respect then anyone else.

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
The Dales had mages too Ferelden,Tevinter and Orlais still handed them their asses on a  silver platter.

But now only the Dalish have mages.

No mages in Tevinter?

They have have Mages in badass armor 

[AresKeith]

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Cerberus was always the same, just hiding its face from you. If the templars turn out to be the same, as seems likely... oh, 'twill be delicious. Also, you'll never succeed in your plan; the mage class will always be open to players.

People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

There is also a problem of two very different partrayals of templars in DAO and DA2. DAO templars were reasonable  with exceptions. DA2 templars were a buch of psychopaths with exceptions.

So were most of the mages

[leaguer of one]

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...


People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

Carried out by Alliance scientists as Hackett says while Cerberus was an Alliance Black-Op

Which was a group who when rogue and fallowed there own orders.

Cerberus became a rabid dog. People did not get that. When that rabid dog bit them, then they say it make no sense?

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Cerberus was always the same, just hiding its face from you. If the templars turn out to be the same, as seems likely... oh, 'twill be delicious. Also, you'll never succeed in your plan; the mage class will always be open to players.

People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

There is also a problem of two very different partrayals of templars in DAO and DA2. DAO templars were reasonable  with exceptions. DA2 templars were a buch of psychopaths with exceptions.

So were most of the mages

Which was the point of DA2.  The worst of both sides.

[Steelcan]

leaguer of one wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...


People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

Carried out by Alliance scientists as Hackett says while Cerberus was an Alliance Black-Op

Which was a group who when rogue and fallowed there own orders.

Cerberus became a rabid dog. People did not get that. When that rabid dog bit them, then they say it make no sense?

They went rabid years later though.  If you look at the timeline, Akuze was an Alliance Op

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Cerberus was always the same, just hiding its face from you. If the templars turn out to be the same, as seems likely... oh, 'twill be delicious. Also, you'll never succeed in your plan; the mage class will always be open to players.

People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

There is also a problem of two very different partrayals of templars in DAO and DA2. DAO templars were reasonable  with exceptions. DA2 templars were a buch of psychopaths with exceptions.

So were most of the mages

Which was the point of DA2.  The worst of both sides.

I never said it wasn't

[leaguer of one]

Steelcan wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...


People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

Carried out by Alliance scientists as Hackett says while Cerberus was an Alliance Black-Op

Which was a group who when rogue and fallowed there own orders.

Cerberus became a rabid dog. People did not get that. When that rabid dog bit them, then they say it make no sense?

They went rabid years later though.  If you look at the timeline, Akuze was an Alliance Op

Akuze was an alliance op for the soldiers that drop there not the for the scentist there to study. If you read the history of cerberus in lotsb, you'll see that cerberus went rabid many years before. The assainated presidents, Popes, and experimented on kids way before Akuze.

[Steelcan]

leaguer of one wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...


People just didn't play ME1 and they think that Cerberus from ME2 was the true one. They apparently don't know about admiral Kahoku, experiments on rachni and thresher maws etc. 

Carried out by Alliance scientists as Hackett says while Cerberus was an Alliance Black-Op

Which was a group who when rogue and fallowed there own orders.

Cerberus became a rabid dog. People did not get that. When that rabid dog bit them, then they say it make no sense?

They went rabid years later though.  If you look at the timeline, Akuze was an Alliance Op

Akuze was an alliance op for the soldiers that drop there not the for the scentist there to study. If you read the history of cerberus in lotsb, you'll see that cerberus went rabid many years before. The assainated presidents, Popes, and experimented on kids way before Akuze.

Hackett says and I quote "Several Alliance scientists were involved in a top secret prject there years ago".  At this time Cerberus was still part of the Alliance military.

And the fact that Cerberus was an Alliance black-op makes all of these actions suspect.  (and Teltin was rogue this is made clear)

[Beerfish]

The true heros of thedas deserve better. It's a thankless job having to hunt those dangerous crazy mages.